1 (edited by Devan 2012-06-19 19:09:41)

Topic: Joe's European rig rundown...

This was posted over on TGP yesterday - I think it is one of the coolest rig rundowns by Joe I've seen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1_c6K1b … r_embedded

Strangely - it has generated a 6+ page thread on there with pretty much all positive posts! big_smile  It's got guys like Alan from Carol Ann amps chiming in with lots of useful technical info.


I had one question that hasn't been answered over there, so I hope someone on here might know - In the video, Joe mentions that the Tranwreck, being 22(?)W struggles to keep up with the 100W amps in the stack, so he "feeds them through the side wedges" to compensate.

My question is: Are those 'side wedges' purely for on stage foldback, or are they pointed at the audience?

In essence, does Joe use the Trainwreck amp to give himself a different 'feel' on stage when he is playing, or does the audience hear the difference in tone as well?


EDIT: TGP thread link - http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showth … ?t=1098443

JBLP Gold Top #129 - redubbed "#1 in Oz"

Re: Joe's European rig rundown...

Awesome! Thanks for posting!

I'm going to look through the TGP thread now! big_smile

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He's using the side fills for the band and himself. I believe the blending of amp volumes occurs at the FOH board. You hear the different tonal qualities of the "mixed" amps as they are fed through the FOH to the mains.

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I honestly didn't like the sound of the Trainwreck...
Cat5 is the coolest...by a fair bit for me.
SJ sounds too gainy and a bit fuzzed around each note...
IMHO of course.

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First of all thanks for sharing the link with us. I really liked the video!

It clearly showed one thing:
JOE'S TONE IS IN THE FINGERS!

To be honest, I am among those mentioned by Joe, who do not understand these kind of multi amp rigs.

To me the one amp is eq-ed brigther, the other less distorted, but characterwise they are almost all the same. I wonder if the result couldn't be reached with one amp, too?

The differences between a multi set up and a single set up seem so marginal that I could imagine that the player himself only feels kind of a psycho-acoustig difference - I mean you can feel tone and the tone makes your guitar feel different. From that angle I fully understand Joe's choice, but I bet that times will come where Joe goes back to basic - Joe -> Guitar -> Cable --> One Amp ;-)

Anyways, everything he does sounds awesome - if I could chose one of the amps I'd surely go with the van Weelden :-)

6 (edited by Jlowther 2012-06-20 10:40:17)

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DaveWammbarro wrote:

I honestly didn't like the sound of the Trainwreck...

Must say I agree...sounded too harsh to me and I actually had to turn it down just for that amp alone!

Never knew it was only 1 4x4 cabinet driving the sound at a time though...sounds more like 10!

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I wonder if it was the mic or something.  That Trainwreck sounded shrill to me.  Great run down though.....

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xcorporate wrote:

I wonder if it was the mic or something.

I think you where hearing only the speaker cab's on stage only.
no FOH.
Joe mentions that when he talks about putting his foot on the floor speaker "if they were on"
you'll only see 1 floor mic, all the amp's go to front house with Palmer Speaker emulators

Jlowther wrote:

Never knew it was only 1 4x4 cabinet driving the sound at a time though

Joe cuts the 4x12 cab's in 2 and a single 100 watt head is driven only through 2 speakers of 4 in each cab.
so yes at anyone time there might be 4 speakers running in combination.

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(If only I had 1% of Joe's guitar talent)

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If you check through the TGP thread - the amp experts on there (including Alan from CA) have explained that the reason the 'wreck in particular sounds as it does is because each amp (apart from the Jubilee really) is voiced to act with the other amps, NOT standalone.

Apparently, the Jubilee gives Joe the right amount of top and bottom end of his tone requirements, but lacks the midrange punch, which is really what all the other amps are voiced to do - to complement the Jubilee tone with their own mid range characteristics.

Love the bit when Joe and the interviewer talk about 'feeling it in your chest' - another indication that listening on poor quality computer speakers etc. is no substitute for standing there in front of that stack and FEELING the tone!! wink

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Great video.
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I watched and listened to it with decent headphones on. It sounds like his usual live tone, but did seem awfully thick on the bottom end. And yeah like he said, a bit like "metal". I'm undecided on the trainwreck blended tone, but I'm sure it sounds much better in person.

So question: the mic in front of the baffles, NOT THE ONE ON THE GRILL CLOTH, is that just to pick up some of the stage noise and a touch of guitar to be mixed in the FOH? ..I know people use mics sometimes on the sides of the stage to pick up stage noise in order to give the audience a livelier and more authentic sound but the placement of that particular mic struck me as odd. -S

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That's the interviewer's mic. I think he mentioned it in the vid.

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The mic on the auralex, outside of baffle? Must not of caught that whenever he said it. Thanks.