Topic: Seriously considering digital multi-effects: modulation content.

So, since getting my Orange Rocker 30, a lot of the real estate on my pedal board that used to be taken up by drive pedals for live work seem to be obsolete (I still use a fuzz and a boost, and the rest of them for recording, just like to keep things simple for live); I used to use lots of modulation for textures and parts in the past and now I could do it again.  I have been thinking about picking up a Line 6 MM4 unit, which would cover all modulation needs for me (flange, trem, chorus, and then some) but I am weary of the mixed reviews.  A lot of folks seem to complain about the crappy switches and the volume drop caused when the unit is engaged. The option is modding it which costs more $$$ or go to the Eventide modfactor, which seems to be an all around better unit, but way more expensive and i find the interface to be quite clumsy for on the fly switching.  What say you friends?  is the Line 6 MM4 really a bad deal?  Any other similarly priced options out there people are using?  I am thinking my signal chain will be something like this:

Guitar > tuner > comp > BOSS OC-2 >wah > fuzz > boost > modulation > delay > amp

(though the comp may not make it to the live rig)

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Re: Seriously considering digital multi-effects: modulation content.

OooooOOOO just found out about the Line 6 M5.  That may do the trick!

Amp: Firebird Musical Amplifiers
Guitars:62 LP SG , 02 FB VII, JB FB I, 76 Electra Omega, 64 Firebird V, 73 LPC, 61 Custom Tele, 59 and 60 Melody Maker
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Re: Seriously considering digital multi-effects: modulation content.

Joe uses a Line 6 for the job of the Rotosphere in Europe...So probably a good choice!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfYC9lsXiZc

4 (edited by macg1 2012-04-17 16:44:41)

Re: Seriously considering digital multi-effects: modulation content.

that looks like a Korg G4 not a Line 6 on his board.  I was looking for more than one modulation type,  the G4 does only the leslie/rotating thing.  The reason for the Line 6 stuff is that you get trems and other modulations as well.

Amp: Firebird Musical Amplifiers
Guitars:62 LP SG , 02 FB VII, JB FB I, 76 Electra Omega, 64 Firebird V, 73 LPC, 61 Custom Tele, 59 and 60 Melody Maker
Effects: Mythos Chupacabra, Strymon Deco/Flint

Re: Seriously considering digital multi-effects: modulation content.

macg1 wrote:

that looks like a Korg G4 not a Line 6 on his board.  I was looking for more than one modulation type,  the G4 does only the leslie/rotating thing.  The reason for the Line 6 stuff is that you get trems and other modulations as well.

Oh ok my mistake!

Re: Seriously considering digital multi-effects: modulation content.

The M9 looks great for this purpose too... or perhaps even an MM4?

Re: Seriously considering digital multi-effects: modulation content.

thecolonel wrote:

The M9 looks great for this purpose too... or perhaps even an MM4?

yeah I was just worried about the build quality of the MM4 and the volume drop when engaged.  Real estate on the board is a concern so the MM5 would have to be eat, but looks like the only way to use it is by scrolling up and down and that seems clumsy...  though i could set it up according to a set list...  I know the M5/9/13 are much sturdier builds.

Amp: Firebird Musical Amplifiers
Guitars:62 LP SG , 02 FB VII, JB FB I, 76 Electra Omega, 64 Firebird V, 73 LPC, 61 Custom Tele, 59 and 60 Melody Maker
Effects: Mythos Chupacabra, Strymon Deco/Flint

Re: Seriously considering digital multi-effects: modulation content.

The M5 is hideous, M13 is rather large but I've had an M9 since they came out and I'm very pleased with it. Being realistic, there are numerous effects these things ALL come with that nobody will really "actually" use. Maybe some who are into more soundscape like music. And those weird effects might come in handy from time to time. In all honesty, I use mine for the reverbs (pretty decent) and delays. I like to set up a few delays including stereo and regular, then a reverb. I never really cared for the so called multi effects units, but the M9 if you have the room on your board is a great piece. I downsized to a small board (wah, od, comp, m9) 2 years ago and it has gotten a lot of use.

Side note: Also comes in handy for a drive, delay and reverb unit for practices and even small get togethers with a minimalist approach. Or if using someones else's amp, this will help put more of your own identity back into the tone.

Re: Seriously considering digital multi-effects: modulation content.

I've been considering for sometime now about going to a muliteffects processor like the Pod HD.  Lately I'm not really playing out and I'm goofing around on a mixing board with backing tracks.  The mics I have are vocal mics so they don't really capture an amps sound too well.  The effects I had were not that high end so about week ago I sold them (mostly a couple of boss pedals) and my amp is too loud with 15 watts to really give me a good sound without bothering the whole house.  Too expensive to soundproof the basement so digital seems like a good solution to me.  Plug in direct to a board and have the same tone everywhere I go as long as I have a PA system.

10 (edited by macg1 2012-04-18 07:41:43)

Re: Seriously considering digital multi-effects: modulation content.

AD3THREE wrote:

I've been considering for sometime now about going to a muliteffects processor like the Pod HD.  Lately I'm not really playing out and I'm goofing around on a mixing board with backing tracks.  The mics I have are vocal mics so they don't really capture an amps sound too well.  The effects I had were not that high end so about week ago I sold them (mostly a couple of boss pedals) and my amp is too loud with 15 watts to really give me a good sound without bothering the whole house.  Too expensive to soundproof the basement so digital seems like a good solution to me.  Plug in direct to a board and have the same tone everywhere I go as long as I have a PA system.

For recording, on a budget, digital is te way to go, and if you know what you are doing you can get a rather good recording quality.  Check out the songs on my band's page: theliquidkitchen.net.  All instruments are the old rackmount POD and even the drums were replaced.  Not the best quality but the average bear would be hard pressed to know it is all digital. 

Yeah, I am ok with the digital world, just have been avoiding it for live use.  So to me it isn't the analog to digital hurdle... it is the wanting to find the right box (tone, ease of use, price), for the right price.

Amp: Firebird Musical Amplifiers
Guitars:62 LP SG , 02 FB VII, JB FB I, 76 Electra Omega, 64 Firebird V, 73 LPC, 61 Custom Tele, 59 and 60 Melody Maker
Effects: Mythos Chupacabra, Strymon Deco/Flint

Re: Seriously considering digital multi-effects: modulation content.

I bought a Zoom G3 before Xmas (3 stomp box style model) with the view of using mainly for modulation effects ..although the appear of amp modelling, a USB recording interface, looper and drum machine helped too ..however it didn't do it for me and I quickly sold it

Re: Seriously considering digital multi-effects: modulation content.

I recently purchased a Line 6 M13. Yes, it's digital, but I A/B'd it with my Fulldrive 2 and tweaked the M13 until it sounded pretty much indistinguishable, and then did the same for another pedal.

Yes, it's digital, and it may not give you 100% of the tone of an analog device. But for me, the benefits far outweigh the negatives. For example - I can have several tempos of delay, depths of reverb, levels of drive, volume, and anything else, on tap with a M13. No more bending over to change the settings on my delay pedal for each song. Plus - it's kind of like having a bradshaw system, in that you can hit one switch and go from clean-chorus-reverb-vibrato to overdrive-phaser-delay-etc. Try doing that with a traditional pedalboard. So if you want a huge variety of sounds, and a super easy time gigging, something like this is great.

As for the tone factor - I've been playing a long time - and have spent way too much time listening to something in a quiet room, tweaking every nuance of tone to "perfection" - only to have that miniscule detail completely lost when playing live. So for me, the small difference in tone, which gets totally lost in most mixes anyway, is totally worth all of the features of a M13. And honestly, I think for many of us, the analog/digital is something we hear with our eyes more than our ears, if you know what I mean.

Re: Seriously considering digital multi-effects: modulation content.

wasatch wrote:

I recently purchased a Line 6 M13. Yes, it's digital, but I A/B'd it with my Fulldrive 2 and tweaked the M13 until it sounded pretty much indistinguishable, and then did the same for another pedal.

Same here. Gigged it like that one night and sounded fine. You've made all the right points in your post. M9 and13 are great pieces of equipment.

Also, they have a true and non true bypass switch which takes away some of the "digital-ness" to the sound. To the OP: since you were considering the MM4, do realize the M9 is roughly the same size and for the price you get a lot more versatility. forgot to mention that in my other post.

Re: Seriously considering digital multi-effects: modulation content.

Yep, I was going to suggest either an M9, an  MM4, or perhaps a Roger Linn Andrenalinn?

Re: Seriously considering digital multi-effects: modulation content.

I would go with the M9 over MM4 a lot more bang for the buck, I also had a DL4 but the volume drop just killed me and I hear that the MM4 has the same volume drop problem. No Thanks!

Re: Seriously considering digital multi-effects: modulation content.

I'm liking the look of the TC Electronic Nova Modulator smile basic effects covered, compact design for $250 smile