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Topic: The "boutique" guitar pick....anyone take the plunge

I heard a comment / question the other day that made sense...sort of.  The gist was, "Many people (including professional musicians) spend so much money on seeking that TONE...  They buy expensive guitars, amps, pedals and the like but choose to use cheap guitar picks.  Isn't the pick to a guitarist equivalent to the brush to an artist....why oh why do they use those cheap guitar picks?"

The argument really made sense....so I started comparing those Picasso like guitar picks to my relatively "cheap" d'andrea 351's.  All of my comparisons are theoretical at this point as I have yet to be able to commit to spending $10, $20, $30 or more for 1 pick....with most of the companies not allowing any returns.

Have any others taken the "boutique guitar pick challenge" and actually tried any of these expensive, long lasting picks?  If so what are your thoughts?

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I have only ever used cheaper picks, nylon about .88's. Then I tried the small jazz 3's. I actually like them for their size and feel. Even these are relatively cheap. Can't see what difference more can be made other than stiffness or construction material, all are plastic derivative or carbon. Can't see the point of wasting money.

Come on the Blades (sorry Idolbone just had to borrow your line)

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Oasis.Guitar wrote:

I heard a comment / question the other day that made sense...sort of.  The gist was, "Many people (including professional musicians) spend so much money on seeking that TONE...  They buy expensive guitars, amps, pedals and the like but choose to use cheap guitar picks.  Isn't the pick to a guitarist equivalent to the brush to an artist....why oh why do they use those cheap guitar picks?"

The argument really made sense....so I started comparing those Picasso like guitar picks to my relatively "cheap" d'andrea 351's.  All of my comparisons are theoretical at this point as I have yet to be able to commit to spending $10, $20, $30 or more for 1 pick....with most of the companies not allowing any returns.

Have any others taken the "boutique guitar pick challenge" and actually tried any of these expensive, long lasting picks?  If so what are your thoughts?

Did Picasso buy really expensive brushes then?  If only I'd realised that was the answer years ago.

My opinion - A pick has a very simple job to do and it is not really possible to see how fancy materials or construction can change that.

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Pick shapes and material have a significant influence on tone, volume and expression.
I started out using the round end of normal, up to 2.0mm cheap picks, 10 years ago I switched to Big Stubby 3.0mm and my playing got better, cleaner. Three years ago I switched to DuGain Delrin and Acetate picks and I haven't looked back. Sure they cost like € 8,-, but I haven't lost one.
The tip is twisted and makes playing fast runs easier and by adjusting the angle of string attack, tone and volume is much more expresive than with normal picks.

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'12 Teye La India Mora 2P, '10 Teye La India S 2P, '64 Fiesta Red Strat, '14 Les Paul CC#18, '14 Les Paul R0ltd, '13 Les Paul R7, '12 Les Paul CC#3, '07 Les Paul CR8 x2, '04 Les Paul R9, '65 Super Reverb, '93 Koch KC50dlx, JB Fuzzface #775

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Chrisuk wrote:

Did Picasso buy really expensive brushes then?  If only I'd realised that was the answer years ago.

My opinion - A pick has a very simple job to do and it is not really possible to see how fancy materials or construction can change that.

Ok, so I used a little "artistic license" with my picasso reference....  I'll play devils advocate for a moment...  Couldn't one easily say the same about <insert tone shaping gear item here>.  Unless you play with your fingers, the pick is the 1st point of contact on the strings...  How can it be discounted as having an impact on tone (and feel)?

So let me ask you directly...have you tried any of these more expensive picks?  If you haven't tried them then on what information is your opinion based?

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PSmith1946 wrote:

I have only ever used cheaper picks, nylon about .88's. Then I tried the small jazz 3's. I actually like them for their size and feel. Even these are relatively cheap. Can't see what difference more can be made other than stiffness or construction material, all are plastic derivative or carbon. Can't see the point of wasting money.

I'm in the same boat...just wondering if anyone out there has tried them and noticed a difference.  I love my d'andrea but I also like to try new things too.

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oldgtarz wrote:

Pick shapes and material have a significant influence on tone, volume and expression.
I started out using the round end of normal, up to 2.0mm cheap picks, 10 years ago I switched to Big Stubby 3.0mm and my playing got better, cleaner. Three years ago I switched to DuGain Delrin and Acetate picks and I haven't looked back. Sure they cost like € 8,-, but I haven't lost one.
The tip is twisted and makes playing fast runs easier and by adjusting the angle of string attack, tone and volume is much more expresive than with normal picks.

Thanks for the reply!  I don't often lose picks either and often find that once I get comfortable with one I'll play it until it evaporates :-)

Do these stay put in your fingers or can they get slippery?  Do they wear as quickly as traditional (say celluloid) picks?  Lastly, how long have you been using the same pick?

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Oasis.Guitar wrote:
Chrisuk wrote:

Did Picasso buy really expensive brushes then?  If only I'd realised that was the answer years ago.

My opinion - A pick has a very simple job to do and it is not really possible to see how fancy materials or construction can change that.

Ok, so I used a little "artistic license" with my picasso reference....  I'll play devils advocate for a moment...  Couldn't one easily say the same about <insert tone shaping gear item here>.  Unless you play with your fingers, the pick is the 1st point of contact on the strings...  How can it be discounted as having an impact on tone (and feel)?

So let me ask you directly...have you tried any of these more expensive picks?  If you haven't tried them then on what information is your opinion based?

No - I haven't tried picks made of exotic materials.  I totally accept that shape / size / stiffness of picks will change the tone but not really that you need more expensive materials to achieve this.

I haven't tried a speaker cab made of exotic hardwoods either but I can't see that making much of a change compared with just having a well sized and built cab made of pine of birch ply.

The pick is a tool and being in the hand of the player it is very easily manipulated and compensated for with skillful touch and feel.

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A herco .73 never hurt Jimmy Page...
That is all.

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Oasis.Guitar wrote:

Do these stay put in your fingers or can they get slippery?  Do they wear as quickly as traditional (say celluloid) picks?  Lastly, how long have you been using the same pick?

Mine have thumb and index finger 'slots', so they're locked in pretty good. Once the Acetate warms up, it gets a little sticky, smells nice too. wink
For the last three years, I've been rotating three DuGain's. Two are always in my pocket, one is on my home studio desk. Being a heavy hitter, I have not worn out any of my DuGain's, once in a while I'll do some sanding to smooth out marks left by strings.

www.raysguitarstraps.com
'12 Teye La India Mora 2P, '10 Teye La India S 2P, '64 Fiesta Red Strat, '14 Les Paul CC#18, '14 Les Paul R0ltd, '13 Les Paul R7, '12 Les Paul CC#3, '07 Les Paul CR8 x2, '04 Les Paul R9, '65 Super Reverb, '93 Koch KC50dlx, JB Fuzzface #775

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personally I prefer to play with a pick that is easy to get hold of and will be in production for a long time - i.e. jazz III ... this way I can get used to it and not have to worry about them stop making it!

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I switched to v-picks last year - I really like the extra 'bite' they have when picking.  They have a really well crafted edge that tend to 'grab' the string nicely without hanging up on it, plus I like the thicker picks as I find them easier to hold.

The downsides is a bit more string 'chirp' when picking, but that is really sloppy picking technique on my part, so in effect, the v-picks actually made me improve my picking style.  Other downside is that your picking dynamics are reduced a bit, as even when you hit the strings lightly, the edge tends to grab and release the string with a distinct twang.

Not a problem if you are playing hard rock etc. but can be a problem if you are playing, softer, more ambient styles.

My favourites in their range are the Screamer and Snake models (pointed).

I've also tried out the Red Bear picks and Gravity picks.  Not bad, but the v-picks are what I keep going back to.

JBLP Gold Top #129 - redubbed "#1 in Oz"

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DaveWammbarro wrote:

A herco .73 never hurt Jimmy Page...
That is all.

No wonder he was a sloppy guitar player!!! May as well be picking with a lettuce leaf!

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Before a ruckus starts, he was a visionary, a great producer, a great song writer and a member of one of the greatest bands of all time, but he was sloppy.....

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Wouldn't the instrument itself be the brush?

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stefanhauk wrote:

Before a ruckus starts, he was a visionary, a great producer, a great song writer and a member of one of the greatest bands of all time, but he was sloppy.....

Please write me a solo resembling Stairway or even a quarter of a song like Ten Years Gone...then I will eat this 5kg of mahogany and maple.
Who wants to play like Vai every day of their life?
Cheers.

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DaveWammbarro wrote:
stefanhauk wrote:

Before a ruckus starts, he was a visionary, a great producer, a great song writer and a member of one of the greatest bands of all time, but he was sloppy.....

Please write me a solo resembling Stairway or even a quarter of a song like Ten Years Gone...then I will eat this 5kg of mahogany and maple.
Who wants to play like Vai every day of their life?
Cheers.

He wrote some beautiful guitar solos, riffs and played with oodles of feel. He was just inconsistent. Don't get me wrong he's one of my favourites.

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I can't stand Vai.....eurgh...