Topic: Guitar Den - Controlling volume at home

Hi all,

I'm currently planning a loft (attic) extension at home which will become my own little guitar haven. To my annoyance I currently have to unpack and pack up my gear after every practice session to keep it from the prying hands of two rug rats.

I'm at the stage when contractors are quoting for the build and after the structure is built I want to spec up some features for controlling volume/noise leakage from the room without making it acoustically dead. I usually play in the evening into the wee small hours so volume control is important. I live in a semi detached (joined to my neighbours house by a party wall) house in a quiet suburban neighbourhood.

Can I ask the forum what is your guitar room at home like and what steps have you taken to:

Soundproof
Improve acoustic charateristics

I was thinking about housing my amps and speakers in a large built in closet but am worried about this deadening tone and getting enough airflow around the amp head to avoid overheating. I plan to put acoustic foam in the loft floor/roof to soundproof the room generally and perhaps utilise free standing baffles/iso pads etc around the musical equipment to cut out unwanted vibration and avoid waking the kids and making an enemy of my neighbours.

This web site has given me some food for thought but seems to offer solutions for miking amps for recording not enjoying the live tone. http://www.vocalbooth.com/products/vb-g … nclosures/

I'd like to get to a point where I can crank a small valve amp to the sweet spot and not bother everyone else. How do I get effective noise control with out spending recording studio prices on equipment?

So what should I include and what is cost effective? Baffles, power brakes/attenuators, iso mats, spiky foamy things???????

As always thoughts, opinions, advice,  gratefully received smile

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Re: Guitar Den - Controlling volume at home

others will chime in here about your project
but
check out a product called green glue

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Re: Guitar Den - Controlling volume at home

Doug,

Thanks for that. I just gave them a call. The stuff is very cost effective (£108 to cover 17sqm). Thanks for the tip.

Ben

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Re: Guitar Den - Controlling volume at home

I haven't had a chance to use it but would like to
(or at least my family would like me too wink )

I would use it in addition to anyother sound protection you're thinking of adding.

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I have used this source for marine applications to damp engine noise. Not in the UK but the site has application notes and will give you some options and ideas.
Rick

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Re: Guitar Den - Controlling volume at home

How about a good Amp Modeling device such as the line 6 HD500 or Axefx and a good pair of head phones? I know its not the same as a good old tube amp cranked up. But no matter how small of an amp or how much noise deading things you use someone is still going to hear it and be upset, the Modeling device and a good pair of head phones is also way cheaper. I do 80% of my practicing at night or early morning with a Vox Tonelab SE and good pair of sienhouser headphones. I use the amps at gigs and band practice or when no one is home. Works great for years!

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You've got almost zero chance of "sound proofing" a room at home without going to massive expense, most studios are "Acoustically treated" which is a big difference, you break up all the big flat surfaces that can reflect back, its quite difficult to get a studio to sound good, you don't want it completely dead nor do you want a lot of reverb in there that you can't control. My friend runs a professional studio in part of his home and he has gone to a lot (A lot!) of expense but still did not even try to sound "proof" the performance room and concentrated on getting it to sound as good as possible.
Bass frequencies can travel a very long way and also are stupidly difficult to deaden out completely, the best you can hope for is some mid and high frequency sound reduction, it really is a minefield and you will probably never be satisfied with the results.
If you are serious about running your amps hot then isolation cabs will be probably your best bet, there are a few blogs online on home build ones which work quite well (See Peter Thorn's channel on YT, he is an LA session player and gets fantastic results with his) of course the old issue is that a completely boxed in speaker will sound stifled in such a thing and running miss into it can also be a pain. You can buy ready made iso cabs, Jet City do a cheapish one but the best I've seen is the Rivera silent sister, its actually ported and has a tuned and attenuated air path for the speaker to breathe as normal, it isn't completely silent but its massively reduced, the demos are quite staggering on Riveras website and the results speak for themselves.
Other options are speaker emulators such as the palmer PDI or even better the sequis mother load elemental, they have complete dummy loads and can be run without a speaker attachment and sound pretty damn good, there is always a trade off with these things though, they can shorten tube life considerably and some manufacturers state that their warranty will be void should such an item be used.
Hope that helped mate, got a bit carried away there but it is a vast subject!

Re: Guitar Den - Controlling volume at home

My space (on a short budget as a hobbyist)... This is a basement space that is medium sized, bit bigger than a bedroom. I did a drop ceiling with 2x4 acoustic ceiling tiles. Did the install with my buddy in a couple days.

Covered the two cement walls, ceiling to floor, with a bunch of medium weight curtains i got on clearance and some cheap curtain rods.  Wall 3 is drywall with various canvas framed art. Wall 4 is open to the rest of the basement which is completely unfinished, but can be blocked off via more curtains and movable partitions made out of bi-fold doors.

The floor, is obviously cement as well,  but is covered with an inexpensive carpet pad and carpet, with other throw rugs on top of that.

I also bought Auralex Studio Foam kit and a bunch of blank canvases (like for oil painting) at the local craft store and mounted the foam to these. Ended up with 4 24x36 functional and easily moved panels. Currently, two of these are directly behind the drum kit, two are on the wall opposite the drums.

There you have it...  not sound proof by any stretch of the imagination, but not lively at all either, works very well for rehearsals and recording scratch tracks.

Perhaps not quite what you're looking at, but hope it helps.

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Have you ever considered using an isolation box?  Run your amp out in the open but have the speaker inclosed in a cabinet that is sound proofed.  Some of the nice ones you could buy have an option for a mic to be placed in the cab with it and you could send the signal to a mixer to control the overall volume.  Thats currently what I'm doing at home.  I don't have an isolation cab but I'm using an amp that has a head phone jack line out that mutes the speaker when engaged.  I send the signal to a 8 channel Yamaha mixing board where I have a couple of mics set up to sing in (but I am not a singer) or some acoustic guitars going.  Then I can use studio monitors to bring my volume to a resonable volume where I don't wake my 3 kids at night, or piss my neighbors off.  Really works good when I'm wanting to play to a backing track.  Now you've got a home studio to record with all you need is a computer and your set. 

Isolation box about $600
mic less then $100
mixing board $150 on sale at musicians friend 4 years ago could go for better but this works.
monitors I paid $100 for mine you could even use a home stereo.  Definately there is better.
And a computer if you want to record which we eventually all do!  I paid $400 for a family Notebook that we all share.

Less then $1400 for a room thats going to sound good, lets see you build a sound proof room for this low a price!  Foam alone could cost you $1000 or more!  Now if money isn't an object go nuts with the sound proof room, but I prefer to control my volume in a confined place rather being confined to my space.

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For me it was carpeted floors, acoustic tile ceiling and fiberglass insulation even in the interior walls. I had thought about sound deadening foam tiles on the walls also, but never got around to those.

That all helped, but didnt  quiet down loud tube amps noise and still got alot of bleed into the house.

As mentioned above you can spend alot of money to build an effective and quiet studio or you could go with an isolation cab or closet and just mike it...if you need to have a loud cranked thing happening.

Less expensive yet and can be played whisper quiet with tons of tone, would be modeling.

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Cellulose insulation in walls

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Big E wrote:

How about a good Amp Modeling device such as the line 6 HD500 or Axefx and a good pair of head phones? I know its not the same as a good old tube amp cranked up. But no matter how small of an amp or how much noise deading things you use someone is still going to hear it and be upset, the Modeling device and a good pair of head phones is also way cheaper. I do 80% of my practicing at night or early morning with a Vox Tonelab SE and good pair of sienhouser headphones. I use the amps at gigs and band practice or when no one is home. Works great for years!

That would be my suggestion as well. I am very happy with my HD500 for late night playing; I think some of the dual amp patches there are excellent (Calabasas Blues is one of my favorites for thick and creamy les paul tone) and it's a pretty inexpensive at $350-400 used. I do like to crank my Mark V on occasion, but it doesn't happen very often with kids, work, etc, etc.

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Thank you everyone. Thats a feast of food for thought!

Seems stupid now but I hadn't considered modelling at all. I've always just plugged in an played with amp at room volume. Are they really that good now? I will have to look in to that.

My soundproofing budget is only likely to be a £100-300 GBP so this is very much DIY end rather than professional.

I will look in to modelling options alongside some of the cost effective soundproofing options people have recommended here.

My thanks all.

Ben

Gibson Flying V Faded Cherry (Crescent Moons), Reverse Head Stock Custom Strat HSH, Vintage V100 Icon Lemon Drop LP, Blackheart Handsome Devil and Blackheart Killer Cab, BSM TrebleBooster, Metal Muff, Dunlop Wah, Vox Time Machine