Topic: What stands out for you in your favorite artist?

I was thinking about this today, and just wanted to ask people's opinion on why they like a particular artist or group, and what makes them standout to you?  What would you tell someone to listen for in their music.

Are they great songwriters? The bass line?  How are they innovative?  Anything that you would recommend on what to listen for? 

Mine

Paul Rodgers, the ultimate control of vocal expression in a voice. The grittiness, rawness, just straight will command someone what to do and you like it.  Like in the song "Woman".  And then will bring out his vulnerabilty in "Oh I Wept" and will have me melt with his smooveeeeeness with "Standing Around Crying".  And then just one of the best "tone" in voices. Perfect Pitch. 

His vocals are an interpretation of the lyrics and music.  He can go from Rock to straight out pure Blues.

And then all those massive hits he has written.

"Holy Toledo"  -  Bill King   "Just Win Baby" - Al Davis  "The Autumn Wind" - Steve Sabol

Re: What stands out for you in your favorite artist?

Well River Cat, everything that you have written above I can only agree with as we share the same passion for the music of Free and since their demise, Paul Rodgers.

But rather than just repeat what you've said I would then sing the praises of my favourite band. What? Free are not my favourite?

Well, they probably would be if the were still going but I've decided to concentrate my response on a still active love of mine.

Wishbone Ash. I came to the conclusion they are my favourite band during their performance on the 15th of this month in Hamburg. Strange that are after 40 years since I first saw them live and countless others performamnces I have only just reached this conclusion.

It came just as Andy Powell hit the first notes of the final solo in 'Sometime World'. I was transported back to another time when I originally heard the song and the words meant something very real to me. Tears almost sprang in my eyes..........and , to use an Ash Album title, "There's the Rub".

The music HAS to move you.WA came into my life through their self-titled album. 6 songs (only two on side 2!), but who could know, as a debut album, it would lay down a marker for a 40 year career. Played today this album is as fresh and as meaningful as back then, just proving that high quality rock music will never age.

Pioneers of the twin lead guitar phrasing with a melodious twist this first album was filled with all the necessary elements for a successful band of the day. The song 'Phoenix' - Ash's own 'Stairway to Heaven' is still their set closer today, and a magnificent beast it is too.

To answer your questions:

Yes they are great songwriters (or were) as a group. The whole band wrote toegther and as individuals. The debut album with the aforementioned 'Phoenix', 'Lady Whiskey', and 'Errors of my Ways" are absolute highlights.

'Argus' their generally acknowledged career high third album was a 7 track 'Meisterwerk' of which 6 tracks still feature in their live set today because of their popularity and quality.

Funny you shoud mention the bass line. Interestingly in what is a guitar driven band the bass is in fact the third lead instrument. Bob Skeat, bassist in the current, what I call definitive, Andy Powell led version of the band, will tell you personally when asked how great it is to play in the band as he asked to often follow or lead the melody of the songs and not just provide the underlying bass rhythm element. From the very beginning of the band every instrument was exploited to provide the bans unique sound. Steve Uptons drumming and cymbal work on the magnificent double live album 'Live Dates' bears witness to a craftsman at the top of his game.

For innovation, well as previsouly said they are generally regarded as the pioneers of the twin lead sound. Todays version featuring the evergreen Andy Powell, and Fantastic Finn, Muddy Manninen is about the best there has ever been I would say. Muddy is a great slide player and is so good that he brings the best out of Andy.

As to what to recommend. When a band has recorded over 30 albums it is a difficult pick. Most would steer you to the first 3 albums and the live 'Live Dates', but that would be too simplistic and miss out on masses of other great music.

To be honest I find the current line up one of the best and I would recommend their live DVD recorde at the Fabrik in Hamburg in 2008 I think it was. I am there in the audience. The set list contains the very best from over 35 years of making albums. The Fabrik is an intimate venue of no more than 1200 or so. The days of arena tours long gone.

If you can't stretch to that and you would like to sample Ash their are plenty of compilations at rock bottom prices, but if anyone wants one I will happily put together one. Just message me.

I would happily do the same for Free and Paul Rodgers and The Outlaws too!

So that is it. The music has to MEAN something. It has to speak to your soul. Wishbone Ash came along for me at the right time in the right place and they are still there for me and recording new music today. As we say in Germany.....

"Besser gehts nicht"

Rock on............

No Hits, No Hype.......................Classic Rock Jan 2012

Re: What stands out for you in your favorite artist?

@ Hansa, we both share a love of Wishbone Ash. I was introduced via the John Peel Show, and he played  'The Pilgrim', i was hooked from that day forward.

@ Cat^-^  stand-outs for me - is when you hear something you've not heard before that makes your head turn, examples, the first time i heard Jimi Hendrix - Purple Haze - Led Zep - Whole Lotta Love - Yes - Yours Is No Disgrace - Genesis - Watcher Of The Skies (live) - The Doors - Riders On The Storm - Nirvana - Smells Like Teen Spirit. I would also put Adele in with this group - well, it's my list! smile
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Can't help but agree with you especially about the first three albums. For live I like the Hammersmith dvd. As for other favourites again free six times live always brilliant but as a contrast I always and still like Frampton. Good with the fans and has a unique style of playing which is heavily jazz influenced. I don't usually get jazz but his style I do. Another band from a long way back that blew me away live was traffic.

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Found myself nodding with Brack's list till Adele and I too love Rodgers and Wishbone Ash.  For me personally it is difficult to single out a favorite artist or band - there's too, too many.  I think if someone were to ask me why I prefer a certain song, album, artist, etc., I'd say everything's attached to the time I was listening to it.  When I first met my wife I remember hearing Marshall Crenshaw's "Whenever You're On My Mind" video while waiting for her to get ready to go out.  I got the album it was off of, Field Day, and wore out two cassettes and one LP.  That's an album I'd call a Desert Island must.  Yes' The Yes Album and Close To the Edge and Jethro Tull's Thick As a Brick were listened to prior to hitchhiking home during my College days and are all very dear to me.

Re: What stands out for you in your favorite artist?

sorry George but I beat you to it, Little Feat! This is all I want in a band, pre or post Lowell either way, but his vocals are what will always stand out. Great guitars with or without slide, Gradney's thumping basslines, Richie's magnificent drumming, and keyboards from hell by Billy Payne. Add some horns and you get southern fried rock that is hard to beat. My other two definitive bands are Rush and Jethro Tull. Neil may be the premier rock drummer of all time, however he also excels as a lyricist, one of the best ever imo. Tull is just Tull, nobody really else like them. I remember I bought Stand Up and then went back and bought the first one. It happened the same way with Zep.

Tres

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Re: What stands out for you in your favorite artist?

A lot of Wishbone Ash fans here.The first and only album I ever had is Live Dates.Love it.I now am thinking I would like to explore past that period.Little Feat great too!
  I think that your first real wow band kinda shapes your musical tastes forever.For me that was Deep Purple.First time I heard Machine Head it was over game, set. match.That spread quickly into Black Sabbath and Led Zep.
  I also got that wow with early Santana.Too hard  to say I look for this or that.Its the sum of the parts that add up to something special.It was a long time before that ever happened again till I heard Joe.

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8 (edited by Brack 2012-02-28 19:56:26)

Re: What stands out for you in your favorite artist?

gary wrote:

A lot of Wishbone Ash fans here.The first and only album I ever had is Live Dates.Love it.I now am thinking I would like to explore past that period

Argus Gary, gotta get ARGUS! Love, Live Dates - The track i mentioned above - The Pilgrim - even better live!

1977 - Front Page News - a departure from what went before - worth a listen, imo
http://www.fubb.fi/1977.htm

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Re: What stands out for you in your favorite artist?

I was thinking about this today, and just wanted to ask people's opinion on why they like a particular artist or group, and what makes them standout to you?  What would you tell someone to listen for in their music.

People that play with passion, obviously, that's the big thing.  If they aren't inspired in their music, I'm not gonna be inspired to listen.  Some guys say it with one note, some guys with a flury, but I need to feel it.  Good blues nails this.

Another big thing is groove.  I personally find it lacking in a lot of modern metal and rock.  Too many boring strummed barre chords over a 4:4 beat, or for metal, detuned jumbles of riffs that don't get you moving.  It really doesn't matter the genre: blues, country, metal, rock, jazz - you have to have a good groove.

Lyrically, I like to hear interesting combinations of words or interesting perspectives on things.  Lucinda Williams is one of my favorite lyricists.  She's great.  "I Envy The Wind" is a perfect example - in that song she's jealous of the wind because it touches the face of the guy she likes, jealous of the rain because it gets to drip down his face, etc.

I also like artists who add depth - when I listen to their record years later I still hear new things.  Pink Floyd and Hendrix are two obvious favorites.  I must have heard Electric Ladyland 100s of times through, but I *still* notice new things on that album when I happen to put it on now.  Amazing.

I like artists who have unexpected musical twists and turns - whether lyrically or musically - but not so weird that it's unlistenable.  Frank Zappa and Steve Vai's solo stuff come to mind as walking that balance.  There are lots of shredders out there, but Vai stands above in my opinion, because if you listen to his records, there's a lot of unusual vocal parts and other interesting instrumentation beyond just guitar, bass, drums and keys.  But it's not too weird.  He's got some straight-up ballads.  Some of Zappa's music is really out there, and he was definitely an acquired taste for me, but once I got it I really got into it.  He has albums like Apotrophe, Hot Rats and Over Nite Sentation that are pretty accessible.  Phish was kind of the same way - interesting and fun musically, but it took me a while to get past the "nonsense" lyrics, appreciate them for what they were and enjoy the music.

It's hard to define what appeals to me, as it's different in different artists and genres, but those are a few thoughts.

Re: What stands out for you in your favorite artist?

Brack wrote:
gary wrote:

A lot of Wishbone Ash fans here.The first and only album I ever had is Live Dates.Love it.I now am thinking I would like to explore past that period

Argus Gary, gotta get ARGUS! Love, Live Dates - The track i mentioned above - The Pilgrim - even better live!

1977 - Front Page News - a departure from what went before - worth a listen, imo
http://www.fubb.fi/1977.htm

I'll second Argus.  An unbelievable album - lyric guitar playing at its finest and I definitely see the Allmans comparison.  Right now I'm listening to the eponymous self-titled album by Captain Beyond that rivals Dark Side of the Moon.  Front and center classic 70's progrock.

Re: What stands out for you in your favorite artist?

...well one of my favourite artists has a great taste in 59's! hmm

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R. Buckminster Fuller

Re: What stands out for you in your favorite artist?

hansamike wrote:

Well River Cat, everything that you have written above I can only agree with as we share the same passion for the music of Free and since their demise, Paul Rodgers.

But rather than just repeat what you've said I would then sing the praises of my favourite band. What? Free are not my favourite?

Well, they probably would be if the were still going but I've decided to concentrate my response on a still active love of mine.

Wishbone Ash. I came to the conclusion they are my favourite band during their performance on the 15th of this month in Hamburg. Strange that are after 40 years since I first saw them live and countless others performamnces I have only just reached this conclusion.

It came just as Andy Powell hit the first notes of the final solo in 'Sometime World'. I was transported back to another time when I originally heard the song and the words meant something very real to me. Tears almost sprang in my eyes..........and , to use an Ash Album title, "There's the Rub".

The music HAS to move you.WA came into my life through their self-titled album. 6 songs (only two on side 2!), but who could know, as a debut album, it would lay down a marker for a 40 year career. Played today this album is as fresh and as meaningful as back then, just proving that high quality rock music will never age.

Pioneers of the twin lead guitar phrasing with a melodious twist this first album was filled with all the necessary elements for a successful band of the day. The song 'Phoenix' - Ash's own 'Stairway to Heaven' is still their set closer today, and a magnificent beast it is too.

To answer your questions:

Yes they are great songwriters (or were) as a group. The whole band wrote toegther and as individuals. The debut album with the aforementioned 'Phoenix', 'Lady Whiskey', and 'Errors of my Ways" are absolute highlights.

'Argus' their generally acknowledged career high third album was a 7 track 'Meisterwerk' of which 6 tracks still feature in their live set today because of their popularity and quality.

Funny you shoud mention the bass line. Interestingly in what is a guitar driven band the bass is in fact the third lead instrument. Bob Skeat, bassist in the current, what I call definitive, Andy Powell led version of the band, will tell you personally when asked how great it is to play in the band as he asked to often follow or lead the melody of the songs and not just provide the underlying bass rhythm element. From the very beginning of the band every instrument was exploited to provide the bans unique sound. Steve Uptons drumming and cymbal work on the magnificent double live album 'Live Dates' bears witness to a craftsman at the top of his game.

For innovation, well as previsouly said they are generally regarded as the pioneers of the twin lead sound. Todays version featuring the evergreen Andy Powell, and Fantastic Finn, Muddy Manninen is about the best there has ever been I would say. Muddy is a great slide player and is so good that he brings the best out of Andy.

As to what to recommend. When a band has recorded over 30 albums it is a difficult pick. Most would steer you to the first 3 albums and the live 'Live Dates', but that would be too simplistic and miss out on masses of other great music.

To be honest I find the current line up one of the best and I would recommend their live DVD recorde at the Fabrik in Hamburg in 2008 I think it was. I am there in the audience. The set list contains the very best from over 35 years of making albums. The Fabrik is an intimate venue of no more than 1200 or so. The days of arena tours long gone.

If you can't stretch to that and you would like to sample Ash their are plenty of compilations at rock bottom prices, but if anyone wants one I will happily put together one. Just message me.

I would happily do the same for Free and Paul Rodgers and The Outlaws too!

So that is it. The music has to MEAN something. It has to speak to your soul. Wishbone Ash came along for me at the right time in the right place and they are still there for me and recording new music today. As we say in Germany.....

"Besser gehts nicht"

Rock on............

Thank you for this wonderful post.  I can really feel your passion for Wishbone Ash and how much their music moves you.  You have given me more to listen for when I hear the different things that you mentioned. I have some of their older albums, but I don't have the DVD from 2008.  It is so cool you got to see them in that intimate venue, and from your depiction, I am going to look into that DVD!


To hear that they touched you that way 40 years later is a testament to their music.
I gonna make sure to catch them in Concert now.  Thanks so much smile
Long Live the Twin Lead Guitars!

"Holy Toledo"  -  Bill King   "Just Win Baby" - Al Davis  "The Autumn Wind" - Steve Sabol

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Re: What stands out for you in your favorite artist?

I love all the different aspects so far as it is a number of different things that stand out to each of us.

It's amazing how you can hear a song and it takes you back to a specific time and the feelings you experienced.  That happens to me with certain songs.

Regarding Steve Vai, I heard him say he is really into music theory and the composing aspect of music. 

This is what I am talking about.  Most everybody knows about Neil Peart as a drummer but it was nice to see him mentioned about his songwriting.  "Nobody's Hero" is a favorite of mine lyrically.

And what you said about "some guys nailing it with one note" is why I am drawn to Paul Kossoff.  It's been said he makes a guitar cry and that right there is how I feel about him.  But he also can be very subtle in the same song. His dynamics for me is one of the things that is very powerful in Free's music.

edit to add: I like the lyrics you posted and will look more into Lucinda Williams lyrics.  I am always looking for good songwriters. 

I feel like I am in class here and just want to learn more.

"Holy Toledo"  -  Bill King   "Just Win Baby" - Al Davis  "The Autumn Wind" - Steve Sabol

Re: What stands out for you in your favorite artist?

ok my favorite artists of all time in no real particualr order are:

rush
pink floyd
styx
kansas
queen
king's x
eric johnson
beatles
the police
robben ford
dream theater
van halen (w/dave)
joe bonamassa

i guess for the common denominators in most of what I listen to is melodies, vocals, harmonies and musicianship.

those things really just draw my ears......i can like music that doesnt always posses that but for the most part i'm alwasy drawn back to artists that have those qualities that I mentioned.

i have a hard time listening to the "great singer song-writers" that barely can sing or play out of tune etc.....i'm trying to disrespect any of them but it's just not my bag.

Re: What stands out for you in your favorite artist?

I love Schenker-era UFO and early MSG. Schenker and Mogg wrote some awesome tunes together. I will admit to not listening to much MSG after the mid-late 80s but the older stuff still rocks my world. Love the way Michael plays that V! He’s playing in my area this weekend and I’m missing it. sad

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Re: What stands out for you in your favorite artist?

ZeyerGTR wrote:

I was thinking about this today, and just wanted to ask people's opinion on why they like a particular artist or group, and what makes them standout to you?  What would you tell someone to listen for in their music.

People that play with passion, obviously, that's the big thing.  If they aren't inspired in their music, I'm not gonna be inspired to listen.  Some guys say it with one note, some guys with a flury, but I need to feel it.  Good blues nails this.

Another big thing is groove.  I personally find it lacking in a lot of modern metal and rock.  Too many boring strummed barre chords over a 4:4 beat, or for metal, detuned jumbles of riffs that don't get you moving.  It really doesn't matter the genre: blues, country, metal, rock, jazz - you have to have a good groove.

Lyrically, I like to hear interesting combinations of words or interesting perspectives on things.  Lucinda Williams is one of my favorite lyricists.  She's great.  "I Envy The Wind" is a perfect example - in that song she's jealous of the wind because it touches the face of the guy she likes, jealous of the rain because it gets to drip down his face, etc.

I also like artists who add depth - when I listen to their record years later I still hear new things.  Pink Floyd and Hendrix are two obvious favorites.  I must have heard Electric Ladyland 100s of times through, but I *still* notice new things on that album when I happen to put it on now.  Amazing.

I like artists who have unexpected musical twists and turns - whether lyrically or musically - but not so weird that it's unlistenable.  Frank Zappa and Steve Vai's solo stuff come to mind as walking that balance.  There are lots of shredders out there, but Vai stands above in my opinion, because if you listen to his records, there's a lot of unusual vocal parts and other interesting instrumentation beyond just guitar, bass, drums and keys.  But it's not too weird.  He's got some straight-up ballads.  Some of Zappa's music is really out there, and he was definitely an acquired taste for me, but once I got it I really got into it.  He has albums like Apotrophe, Hot Rats and Over Nite Sentation that are pretty accessible.  Phish was kind of the same way - interesting and fun musically, but it took me a while to get past the "nonsense" lyrics, appreciate them for what they were and enjoy the music.

It's hard to define what appeals to me, as it's different in different artists and genres, but those are a few thoughts.

I will also go wth the groove!Got to have a groove.What happened to the groove?

Your rock candy baby
Your hard sweet and sticky

Re: What stands out for you in your favorite artist?

BarbieD wrote:

I love Schenker-era UFO and early MSG. Schenker and Mogg wrote some awesome tunes together. I will admit to not listening to much MSG after the mid-late 80s but the older stuff still rocks my world. Love the way Michael plays that V! He’s playing in my area this weekend and I’m missing it. sad

Lights Out!

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