Topic: Who do you base your tone on?
I think the fingers side of it is different...but the start of the sound that you have in your head.
...and what gear did you end up getting/have now for that. Happy?
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I think the fingers side of it is different...but the start of the sound that you have in your head.
...and what gear did you end up getting/have now for that. Happy?
Gibson Les Paul -> Ceriatone 2550 (Jubilee clone) -> 2x12 with Scumback M75s. Very happy.
I'm pretty sure I'm OCD about Clapton. I have tried for years to copy everything the guy did and does. My theory was shoot for his tone his phrasing and even if I am not even in the ball park at least I'm doing something. I tried Gibsons and I even tried his signatur model and failed to get the tone. BUT I have an American Series Strat that I've modded to death and that guitar has nothing that I would say is clapton like except it looked like the Derek and the Domino's Strat called Brownie. I use Custom shop 69' pickup by fender and a RS Guitarworks kit. Last is my secret wepon the bridge block. I milled out a chunck of 1080 cold rolled steel that fills up the whole bridge block pocket. The block rests on the wood so it transfers all the string vibration. People play this guitar and don't think much about it until play it and its just got this sustain unlike any strat I've ever had since.
Amps? I hate using pedals but they are a necessery evil. I've got the Tube Screamer type pedal I use sometimes, and some delays, tremolo, and wahs but I prefer to keep it guitar straight to amp. I've used fender style amps all along but I am in the market for a high gain lunch box style amp. Dark Terror maybe or a Tubemister 18. Not sure yet until I try it out with my Guitar. Sorry this was long but I'm very happy with my Strat.
I base my tone on finding one I can get some old school grind but still clean up to a nice warm tone with my guitars volume control. I also like to keep the treble in check a bit.
I won't lie - I still chase good tone with new amps and guitars on occasion but I have come to realize something during the process. I seam to always sound the same no matter what gear I use. Sure there's a difference between my Strat and my Les Paul or my Fender and THD amps but I find that I seem to always find my way to a similar tone by adjusting my pick (or bare fingertip) attack and my guitars volume and tone controls till I find my familiar - and to me anyway - most pleasing tone. This shouldn't surprise me of course because all my favorite guitarists sound like themselves whatever they play.
I find it comforting that while I still have much to do on the technique side of things, I no longer worry about chasing the next best tone.
That being said (lol),
my current favorite, at home only set up is:
Les Paul Historic R8 > Tube Screamer > Z.Vex Box Of Rock >Maxon AD999 delay with stereo outs split to THD Univalve (dry) / Fender Champ (wet). I have also concluded that distortion pedals are a necessary evil at lower volumes like I play these days.
My tone is always based around how the amp I'm using works best ..they all have a point where you can push them over the edge or pull them back with playing dynamics and the guitar controls also have most impact at that setting too ..I still always sound like me though :-)
I think its a little more difficult for me, since what I what from my amp rig are different types of tones, including some from Joe, an Eric Clapton type overdriven tweed tone and an Eric Johnson clean tone.
Despite that, Joe's concept with 4 amps and switching system is perfect. Its slightly different in that if I were using the tweed, it wouldn't be combined with any of the other amps, but with the other two amps one would be on.
Joe's use of Whirlwind ABY and Lehle allows any of the three amps to be run with one, or independently of each other.
So far I have a Jet City JCA20 and a Phaez Sibly. Both are Marshall-esque amps and they sound great for an overdriven, crunch tone.
I want to add a 20W 5E8A type tweed circuit amp and a Fender Blackface (something) with a Zendrive for Dumble type tones.
Cabinet wise, I would like to use 2 diagonal pine 212's (about 24" by 24") (planning to build them over the summer, pine from Fender's use of it in the 50's etc and Joe's tone in his effects demo video, he used 2 412s built with pine (if stock) and the tone on that vid is fantastic (obviously ignoring the glaring fact he is using a Strat and different amps to now.) , probably loaded with EVs or something. Right now I'm using a Jet City 112 cab with the stock speaker.
I think the fingers side of it is different...but the start of the sound that you have in your head.
...and what gear did you end up getting/have now for that. Happy?
With Les Paul: Overdriven and a little on the warm side/JB territory: Ceriatone 2550/Gibson R8/TC Nova repeater, Boss FRV-1 Reverb, TS-808 and Wampler Pinnacle.
With Strat: Clean or slightly overdriven. John Mayer/SRV and lately Greg Koch (MAN can he play AND sound great!): Slightly hot rodded Ceriatone Prinzetone/Fender CS 1960 and 1965 Strats/Pedals as above + Mad Prof. Sweet Honey OD and very seldom the delay.
Allways Mogami DIY cables w/Neutrik silent plugs and Dunlop Jazz 3 picks.
Very happy. For now
For years I tried to go for certain famous tones including EVH, Gibbons, some Page tones, Beck, EJ... to no avail and satisfaction really, as I would get close, then I realized it was not my thing. So slowly but surely, out went the gear, the "amp in a pedal", the superfluous things that were supposed to be "so and so's secret. I have now come up with a combination that hints at all of the failed efforts, but I think it really is sounding like me after 25 years of playing guitar. I did learn a lot about gear and how to achieve certain things through the tone chasing war and now I have happily arrived at my own deal. Is it wrong to try to achieve someone else's tone? absolutely not. in the end of the day it is whatever makes you happy, and able to put emotion on to music.
I go for something that screams when playing lead, but has some crunch when playing rhythm, and can be cleaned up. I'm very happy with my setup. The Bona-Studio with an Ibanez Tubescreamer amp with the Tubescreamer built directly into the head. I have a lot of players around here really wishing they had my sound. At least that's what they tell me.
I totally agree with everything you said here. The difference with me compaired to I'm sure a lot of you is I do not consider myself a musician. For 13 years I've played guitar and to be honest tried very hard to do things by the book. But I know very little about theory, and could care less btw. I'm all about having fun with it but I'm a guitar player, not a musician. The difference being a musican knows what they are doing and can talk to other musicians about all things music and be on the same level. I know how to play songs and play a little by ear, but nothing you'd say "That guy has it together" there for I'm comfortable saying I can play with musicians as a guitar player but thats where I'm drawing the line for myself.
For years I tried to go for certain famous tones including EVH, Gibbons, some Page tones, Beck, EJ... to no avail and satisfaction really, as I would get close, then I realized it was not my thing. So slowly but surely, out went the gear, the "amp in a pedal", the superfluous things that were supposed to be "so and so's secret. I have now come up with a combination that hints at all of the failed efforts, but I think it really is sounding like me after 25 years of playing guitar. I did learn a lot about gear and how to achieve certain things through the tone chasing war and now I have happily arrived at my own deal. Is it wrong to try to achieve someone else's tone? absolutely not. in the end of the day it is whatever makes you happy, and able to put emotion on to music.
Personally, I'm dig classic Marshall based driven sounds, from JTM45 to Plexi sounds... Classic to hard rock and modern blues and modern classic rock, good low end but not to fizzy or compressed (unless running a Fuzz), good air any dynamics in the sound too.... bit of a cliche but Clapton ala Cream and the Bluesbreaker stuff, Hendrix, Pink Floyd, early ZZ Top, early Aerosmith, Zep's sound pre Houses of the Holy, and getting into VH territory. Newer stuff, dig Joe's tone, solo and BCC of course... Raconteurs, Rival Sons and Black Keys have an interesting gambit of sounds... as well as Eric Johnson, Eric Gales, Jimmy Thackery, Andy Timmons to name a few.
On the guitar end i like to let the amp's voice come through so tend toward PAF's type humbuckers or not overly hot single coils, of course this does expose the weaknesses in my playing. Don't like a lot of FX between me and the amp, typically a distortion/booster (depending on the amp), tuner and delay. Delay is usually set extremely low, just a bit of ambient softening of the sound when needed. Every so often i will put a something swirly, a Wah and/or Fuzz in there too.
One example: ES-335 -> OCD -> Tuner -> Tremodillo -> Splawn QR in first gear gain at 3 O'Clock, nice an loud with Deep Blue Delay in the FX loop.
Another Example: Strat with Lollar Dirtly Blond PUp's -> Swart Atomic Boost -> Tuner -> Analogman Delay -> JTM 45 cranked with an Dr Z Air Brake as needed.
Hope to try a Jubilee and/or 5E3 type amp before too long, love to give a Metro Plexi 10000 a go as well.
Playing covers I need to produce a range of tones to suit the particular song being played, although I try not to stray too far from my ideal. Having been influenced greatly by the likes of Santana, Beck, Trower and Gilmore in the early days and more recently Joe, I think I am more likely to opt for a creamy sustained lead sound. I've always loved the bell-tones of a Strat, but also really liked the Les Paul and particularly stuff like Free, Frampton and Humble Pie. I guess my aim is to get near to an amalgam of those guys.
I've been using a Strat (with S-1 switching) for years - it's so versatile. However, with the purchase of my JB LP studio goldtop and then an Explorer Pro, I am more and more finding my home with Gibsons. I would LOVE to own a '59 re-issue LP and an ES335!
Amp-wise I really love my Fender Blues Deville. A lot of guys dismiss them because they're considered too clean, but I've got a secret weapon in the back of mine - a vintage Tom Shulz attenuator set just right to give me a little more bite on the amp. With either my Fulltone Fulldrive 2 or my modded handwired Tubescreamer, I get the most delicious tone. Always get compliments on my tone - even if my playing is off! lol
Happy? Oh yes. (:
The Boogie Blues I grew up with
Strat/Tele>Fender/Marshall
Hendrix, Bonamassa, Philip Sayce, SRV/KWS, Eric Johnson, David Grissom, Mike McCready, Neil Young, Black Crowes
With my marshall 50/25 2553 and a selection of pedals I can get in the ballpark of those.
I've based my tone around Joe's. It's the smoothest tone around and I adore it. I run a Ceriatone Jubilee and a Silverface Fender Bandmaster...DD3 through the Jubilee and reverb through the Fender...
I go for Eric Johnson, Joe B, and some Michael Schenker tones. Volume issues prevent me from using a cranked Marshall. I get approximate tones using a Blackface Fender Bassman into a Marshall cab with a Fulltone OCD (V3). Throw in some delay (Keeley DD3), reverb (Digitech Hardwire), and some chorus (Analogman) and I can get in the ballpark at a reasonable issues. For lead tones, I hit it with a BK Butler Tube Driver or a Tubescreamer. I have been through a ton of amps and these old hand wired Fender heads are hard to beat for the money. I am pretty content at the moment, but we all know that doesn't last long.
Funny, I wanted to play guitar initially because of Page, so I have JP to thank 20-years later and more than $50k in gear. Last 5-years I've become a ***%#/old and now found my way to love Two Rock cleans in conjunction with nice boost and light OD pedals up front to get my tone. Because I play at low volumes mostly, my tone is "smaller" than Mayer or Matt, but darker, which I prefer.
So very happy with my tone and gear I ended up with: Lots of Strats, Ceriatone OTS and Two Rock Jet amps and board filled mostly with very nice Boost and light OD pedals:
Small sound = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Egovx0qurtw or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kmJJbIAoDw
Cheers!
Jimmy Page "HTWWW".
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