Topic: Fast Playing Technique

I'm really working on techniques lately, and what I just can't figure out is how to play fast. Shure, I can get a little but I mean Joe-speed... everytime I try I get caught up in the middle of the run down (or up)....

Does anybody have a certain technique? I know, you can always go back to pull-offs and hammer-ons but I'm looking for that clear-Bonamassa-speedtone.

Rick

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Re: Fast Playing Technique

It is definitely tough...Hybrid picking and alternate picking are pretty essential essential...And really knowing the runs you're trying to play fast and being able to nail them in time...I would maybe check out some Eric Johnson lesson books or videos on youtube...

Re: Fast Playing Technique

Use a metronome and start slow building strength and accuracy. Speed will come in time.

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Re: Fast Playing Technique

Have you tried coffee?

Re: Fast Playing Technique

I'm going to watch some Eric Johnson lesson tapes, while drinking coffee, and start working with a metronome big_smile

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6 (edited by Zen Guitar 2011-10-09 20:58:32)

Re: Fast Playing Technique

Three things that I have found to help with developing speed...

1) Barriers can be mental and not just physical. I had once been at a point where I could not mentally visualize myself playing faster. I simply could not imagine it, let alone actually do it. Once I was able to break through the mental barrier, as soon as I picked up my guitar next, I had made a great leap in my speed. I guess the lesson for me was, "Free your mind and your hands will follow!"  wink

2) Be sure to practice in such a way that your technique is consistent when playing slowly as well as at top speed. This seems obvious, but many players will practice a phrase slowly and their technique will be different than when they play it fast. Just as walking is not the same things as running in slow motion, a lot of guitarists practice a slow technique different than how they play it fast. For instance, their alternate picking will be less economical in terms of motion and they will use a different proportion of wrist and forearm movement; their sweeping will not be a single smooth stroke through the strings, but instead made up of small individual strokes as they start and stop slightly as they sweep through each individual string; movements will be exaggerated; etc. What you are attempting to do when playing slowly is train your muscle memory and mind in the exact movements that you will use to play fast. If these are inconsistent, the speed will not come.

3) Practice to a metronome, a drum track, or something with a steady rhythmic pulse. A lot of hang-ups in speed technique come from the picking and fretting hand being out of sync. This is usually from inconsistencies in the speed of one or both hands throughout a phrase. The best way to get both hands moving at the same time is to have a steady reference to lock to. Its like dancing... If both partners are dancing to their own beat, the chances for getting out of step are great. If they are both listening to the same music, they have a better chance of moving together.

Hope this helps!
-Matt

Re: Fast Playing Technique

This is pretty good advice here, but one thing I'd like to add on his point about technique.  Make sure you try and play what ever new thing your trying to do clean no distortion so you can hear all the screw ups.  When you can play at the speed your hoping for add your sound in later.  I never believed that to be good advice until someone had me play my riff and they recorded it distorted, then I did it clean and it sounded horrible.  After practicing until I thought it sounded better we did the same test and I could hear my playing much clearer with the distortion after I had (I'm going to say better technique)

Zen Guitar wrote:

Three things that I have found to help with developing speed...

1) Barriers can be mental and not just physical. I had once been at a point where I could not mentally visualize myself playing faster. I simply could not imagine it, let alone actually do it. Once I was able to break through the mental barrier, as soon as I picked up my guitar next, I had made a great leap in my speed. I guess the lesson for me was, "Free your mind and your hands will follow!"  wink

2) Be sure to practice in such a way that your technique is consistent when playing slowly as well as at top speed. This seems obvious, but many players will practice a phrase slowly and their technique will be different than when they play it fast. Just as walking is not the same things as running in slow motion, a lot of guitarists practice a slow technique different than how they play it fast. For instance, their alternate picking will be less economical in terms of motion and they will use a different proportion of wrist and forearm movement; their sweeping will not be a single smooth stroke through the strings, but instead made up of small individual strokes as they start and stop slightly as they sweep through each individual string; movements will be exaggerated; etc. What you are attempting to do when playing slowly is train your muscle memory and mind in the exact movements that you will use to play fast. If these are inconsistent, the speed will not come.

3) Practice to a metronome, a drum track, or something with a steady rhythmic pulse. A lot of hang-ups in speed technique come from the picking and fretting hand being out of sync. This is usually from inconsistencies in the speed of one or both hands throughout a phrase. The best way to get both hands moving at the same time is to have a steady reference to lock to. Its like dancing... If both partners are dancing to their own beat, the chances for getting out of step are great. If they are both listening to the same music, they have a better chance of moving together.

Hope this helps!
-Matt

Re: Fast Playing Technique

I can get pretty fast when it's traditional 3 note per string ascending or descending runs, but when there's a bit more too it, I have a lot of trouble


for instance, consider the Eric Johnson type riff at 1:29-1:32...I have a lot of trouble with that

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6ZCgcsTiCM

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Re: Fast Playing Technique

Never knew "fast" meant good.  lol


...just ask your woman!!!  big_smile

Re: Fast Playing Technique

Spider wrote:

Never knew "fast" meant good.  lol


...just ask your woman!!!  big_smile

good one Spider I have been luaghing for 10 min
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11 (edited by NPB_EST.1979 2011-10-20 11:46:54)

Re: Fast Playing Technique

I think I have to break down my mental barrier. Being able to Shred is not a necessity... but I'd like to have that ace in my sleeve.  hmm  plus it bugs me when I think I "can't" do something on a guitar. We can do everything... it's all right there.

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12 (edited by Silhouette89 2011-10-24 12:10:13)

Re: Fast Playing Technique

For me, it´s most fun and rewarding to practice fast runs with a backing track. For example I start out with a slow blues backing track, and end with a fast rock playalong to practice some bluesy/pentatonic shapes.

I used to practice patterns with a metronome, and although I think a metronome is a good thing for practicing I never end up using those patterns live. On the other hand, I will most likely use the fast runs and licks I´ve played with  a backing track.:cool:

Re: Fast Playing Technique

Soul > Speed

Remember, you can teach a monkey with a metronome to play fast. If it's not melodic, it's crap.

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Re: Fast Playing Technique

Hi Rick,

I'm really not a shredder, far away of it... But, as you I practice to have more speed and more accurate. One thing that I must learn is to relax!
Sometimes, I loose myself and my arms are very contracted...
If i relax, i had see that I'm more quick, and more accurate (and less tired too)...  roll
It's a little thing, but I hope it can help you...
Thanks everybody for the other advice!