1 (edited by jakey 2011-10-24 08:30:28)

Topic: EV12L's -closed or open back cabs?

I have been messing about with these speakers and I love them. However I am starting to think that they're not that great in open backed cabs where they go a little trebely? Am I right about this?

I'd appreciate thoughts.

I have Denis Cornell making me a custom Plexi 7 with a 2 x 12 cab loaded with EV12L's.

In Marshall Purple with brown basketweave cloth.

I utterly adore Denis's Plexis and this should be mindblowing.


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Re: EV12L's -closed or open back cabs?

Very fine speakers!

I had a custom vertical 2x12 cabinet made for mine. The cabinet is extra deep from front to back, sort of like the cabinets joe uses, with extra bracing.

the unique thing about the cabinet I had made is that it is closed back with open sides, so it sort of has come tonal qualities of what an open back sounds like, but not as much. And it doesn't sound too bassy like an closed back. here's the site.

http://fortemusical.com/fortehome.html

I haven't noticed any trebly tone with the EVMs and I don't have my EQ setup particularly dark or bright.

If something is too bright, rolling off on the presence knob on the amp can help a bit without changing other EQ settings... good luck!

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Re: EV12L's -closed or open back cabs?

NPB_EST.1979 wrote:

Very fine speakers!

I had a custom vertical 2x12 cabinet made for mine. The cabinet is extra deep from front to back, sort of like the cabinets joe uses, with extra bracing.

the unique thing about the cabinet I had made is that it is closed back with open sides, so it sort of has come tonal qualities of what an open back sounds like, but not as much. And it doesn't sound too bassy like an closed back. here's the site.

http://fortemusical.com/fortehome.html

I haven't noticed any trebly tone with the EVMs and I don't have my EQ setup particularly dark or bright.

If something is too bright, rolling off on the presence knob on the amp can help a bit without changing other EQ settings... good luck!

Nic

I'll post some pix when it's made.

When I spoke to Denis (who makes Eric C's amps) he said everyone has been raving about the Silver Jub, so he's made a single channel clone of one and it's got some serious plaudits. I'll let you know more when I know more.

I like the idea you've had. I have asked Den to make it as deep as he can.

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Re: EV12L's -closed or open back cabs?

IMHO I'd say either will sound good.  If you want the sound to project out more and have more low end I think a closed back cab does that the best.  A lot of people I know like open back cabs because they are a more balenced rounder tone but they don't have as much forward projection.  You could start with a open back and try to enclose the back a bit at a time to fine tune the low end to your liking.  These speakers have a lot of power and will sound fine regardless, but I think if we knew what you were going for it would help in answering the question.  If you say I want to sound like Joe, well my answer is so does every other person on the gear forum!  roll  I'm sure he uses closed cabs though.

Re: EV12L's -closed or open back cabs?

Killer speakers like that, that carry such a strong full detailed rendering of what's coming out of the guitar, really show their potential when loaded into a very well made closed back cab.  You put speakers like that in a really good closed cabinet and the harmonic complexity makes the box resonate in just the right ways to constructively add to total output of tone.  IMO open back cabinets do a disservice to speakers like that due to the tonal bleed out going on out the back of the amp.  Sure the open back has a nice brightness to it, but I estimate only about 10% of that extra bright tone actually finds its way to the ears of the audience members. Mostly its just something experienced in the near vicinity of the amp.  And what ever small increase in top end that does find a way out towards the crowd is cancelled out and then some by the forfeiture of tightness and definition inherent in a speaker box that can't vibrate/resonate a in very uniform way compared to a good closed back. 
I used an open back cab for years, and never could get it to sorta do what i wanted my amp to do so last year when I bought my Komet Songwriter 30 head I wanted a matching 2x12 cab. And Komet cabs are very very well built.  After playing on an old marshal 4x12 basket-weave loaded with original heritage G12H30 Greenbacks, I realized that that was the feel and sound I wanted my cab to emulate so I got the cabinet with the pricey speaker upgrade to two Celestion Heritage G12H 30 Green Back (made in England).  I also requested that even though they only technically offer and advertise an open back design cab, i wanted it closed back which they did for me.  My speakers kind of act similar to the EV's in the way they both are designed to be flat frequency response thats tight and harmonically balanced.  No crazy stand-out frequencies. (of course my speakers don't have near the head room yours do!)
Speakers like that do such a good job of physically interacting with a good cab which results in a pretty sweet final product of a harmonically complex, pure tone, that leaves the cab in a powerful purposeful mission to be heard, felt, and tasted by a waiting audience

Well thats my "brief" opinion of closed back vs open back speaker cabs especially for speakers like EV12L. 

Im just rambling cuz I saw your post right after getting home from a gig at which I was really happy overall and even a bit surprised a few times to hear my rig, namely my cab, push such clear, tight, fat, thick, tones out considering it was a really lame low key wedding reception meaning we weren't nearly as loud and energetic as usual