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We'll see your wedding and raise you a funeral.  lol

(I apologize if anyone feels that to be in bad taste, I thought it was funny - not my original, from FB.)

edit - missing bracket

RIP Iron Man

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Amsterhammer wrote:

We'll see your wedding and raise you a funeral.  lol

I apologize if anyone feels that to be in bad taste, I thought it was funny - not my original, from FB.)

I find it appropriate.  smile

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Couldn't believe it when I heard it!

Life is different now, really makes you go back to 2001 and think of all the things in my life that have changed since then.

I'll have to put in a new autobiography post about this for a future posting!

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Been watching the news today and find this burial at sea incredible; especially before the world has been given concrete evidence he's dead.  I guess those shooters from the grassy knoll and Josef Stalin are somehow involved, but hey, we're all sheep anyway.....right?

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Curby wrote:

Been watching the news today and find this burial at sea incredible; especially before the world has been given concrete evidence he's dead.  I guess those shooters from the grassy knoll and Josef Stalin are somehow involved, but hey, we're all sheep anyway.....right?

...a sheep will always follow it's shepherd...even to the slaughter house!

...still waiting for the concrete evidence that Bin Liner had anything to do with 9-11 in the first place...though there is evidence available in concrete that he probably didn't!

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Pete The Cabby wrote:
Curby wrote:

Been watching the news today and find this burial at sea incredible; especially before the world has been given concrete evidence he's dead.  I guess those shooters from the grassy knoll and Josef Stalin are somehow involved, but hey, we're all sheep anyway.....right?

...a sheep will always follow it's shepherd...even to the slaughter house!

...still waiting for the concrete evidence that Bin Liner had anything to do with 9-11 in the first place...though there is evidence available in concrete that he probably didn't!

Guys, guys....listen up. Pete, we can't really get into the whole 9/11 thing here because it leads to controversy - suffice it to say that for all except the most head-in-the-sand conspiracy believers, OBL's connection to the events of 9/11 is beyond any reasonable doubt.

Curby - the burial/body thing - I think there can be no doubt that the order was to take him dead or alive, but preferably dead. There are multiple reasons that I can think of why this was the case, the most compelling being the sheer nightmare of where to incarcerate a live OBL, where to put him on trial, where to keep him after a trial while minimizing the liklihood of some of his buddies trying to break him out, or take hostages, etc. You catch my drift. Then, after he might have died in a western prison, where could he have been buried within 24 hours as Islamic rites require?

It also appears to be a fact, according to an academic who has studied Al-Q in depth and whom I saw talking on one of the news channels today, that one of OBL's many bodyguards was at all times charged with putting a bullet through his head if it ever looked like he was going to be captured. If this is indeed the case, it was only a question of 'whose bullet'.

I don't know (and nobody else does either, yet) whether the authorities made any efforts to find a country that would accept his body for burial, certainly within the necessary 24 hours. Even if they had found somewhere, there would have been a serious risk of turning his grave into a ghoulish attraction for both admirers and haters. Deep sixing him was by the far the most appealing option any way you look at it, imho. If they had kept the body for longer without burial, there would have been all sorts of complaints that the US was defiling Islamic law

We have had confirmation of a DNA match today, and I am sure that at least one photo will be made public in due course. Even then, some will claim that the photo could have been photoshopped.

edit - oops, word missing  neutral

RIP Iron Man

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A lot of people will be feeling that justice was done today with this, its hard to imagine that it will make much (If any) difference operationally to AQ but at the very least the rest of the leadership will be thinking that if they can get to their talismanic figurehead then they can get to anyone.
I do fear about reprisals though, the world will be a very fraught place for a good while after this.

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Ian916 wrote:

Slightly concerned over the reported scenes of jubilation in New York and Washington, -  understandable perhaps but  I have a fear of reprisal attacks....and sincerely hope that the American public do not believe that the war with AQ is over...Extremists martyrs have a habit of coming back, or at least their names do.

Share your concern here Ian. I always disliked intensely the scenes of jubilation on Al-Jazeera by Arabs when a US or UN soldier/ citizen were killed or executed and yet here we are doing it to.

I understand of course, but by doing so we automatically cede the moral high ground (does that have any value these days - I don't know).

OBL publicly supported obscene acts of terror and encouraged them so a victory of sorts is won today, symbolically at least. Not wise to dance on his grave though - especially if he was buried at sea!

I hope the authorities involved ensure there is a complete censure of information. Lurid and explicit photos of his cadaver shouldn't be seen. Let the circumstances of his death and life die with him. His supporters will follow the myth anyway, but don't fan the flames of hate with unwise publicity.

This person in life wanted only to publicise and further his cause through the pain and suffering of others, don't let him do it in death.

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I'm sorry, but I can't get real jazzed about this. Yes, I approve, but it just feels like it's anti-climactic... too little, too late.

I mean, our grandmothers are still gonna get groped when they get on airplanes, right? We're still gonna have to remove our shoes and belts and stagger through the electronic doorways in our socked feet. They're still gonna confiscate our bottled water and make us buy a new one in the terminal at three times the price.

And of course, there are still no twin towers in lower Manhattan.

How much has this guy cost us in the last ten years? Lost lives in NYC, DC, PA, Afghanistan, Iraq and who knows where else? Billions of dollars spent on arms shipped to distant lands, all the costs to ship them there, all the debt to China to bankroll it all...

The only emotion I can muster is akin to the satisfaction I get from killing a house fly. There's a sense of achievement at eliminating a dirty, disgusting pest, but I know there will be more.

Speaking of more, let us turn our energies to finding Al Zawahri and ensuring he gets a similar watery entombment some day soon. Not for revenge, just because it's what he deserves, for past crimes and to prevent future ones.

As for any fears of retaliation from the extremists, who cares? Like we're supposed to live our lives according to their wishes? Not a chance. The message this sends those people is that if you have a legitimate problem with us, address it in a peaceful way. We are reasonable people (for the most part), and we really don't wish anyone else ill. But if you resort to violence, we will do everything we can to thwart you. And if you succeed anyway, we will strike back twice as hard. It may not happen immediately... but it will happen.

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Another thought that occured to me was whether anybody would collect the 27 million dollar bounty that was on his head. If not and this money was appropriated and sitting around why not distribute it amongst the 9/11 victims families to do with as they see fit.

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hansamike wrote:
Ian916 wrote:

Slightly concerned over the reported scenes of jubilation in New York and Washington, -  understandable perhaps but  I have a fear of reprisal attacks....and sincerely hope that the American public do not believe that the war with AQ is over...Extremists martyrs have a habit of coming back, or at least their names do.

Share your concern here Ian. I always disliked intensely the scenes of jubilation on Al-Jazeera by Arabs when a US or UN soldier/ citizen were killed or executed and yet here we are doing it to.

I understand of course, but by doing so we automatically cede the moral high ground (does that have any value these days - I don't know).

OBL publicly supported obscene acts of terror and encouraged them so a victory of sorts is won today, symbolically at least. Not wise to dance on his grave though - especially if he was buried at sea!

I hope the authorities involved ensure there is a complete censure of information. Lurid and explicit photos of his cadaver shouldn't be seen. Let the circumstances of his death and life die with him. His supporters will follow the myth anyway, but don't fan the flames of hate with unwise publicity.

This person in life wanted only to publicise and further his cause through the pain and suffering of others, don't let him do it in death.

I have to admit that I have not watched the news since I heard about this last night, but I have not heard of anyone "dancing in the streets". I'm not sure jubilation is warranted for ANY death, but I also don't think anyone should have to feel guilty that they are glad that OBL has met his fate, nor do I think that is ceding the moral high ground.

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I've thought on it and come to the feeling that he's just another swatted roach. Plenty more where he came from ready to step into his shoes and do the same to us. Nothing has changed except for maybe a feeling of satisfaction, if there can be such a thing, for the families and friends of the victims, and the military who have given all in the pursuit.

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Amsterhammer wrote:
Pete The Cabby wrote:
Curby wrote:

Been watching the news today and find this burial at sea incredible; especially before the world has been given concrete evidence he's dead.  I guess those shooters from the grassy knoll and Josef Stalin are somehow involved, but hey, we're all sheep anyway.....right?

...a sheep will always follow it's shepherd...even to the slaughter house!

...still waiting for the concrete evidence that Bin Liner had anything to do with 9-11 in the first place...though there is evidence available in concrete that he probably didn't!

Guys, guys....listen up. Pete, we can't really get into the whole 9/11 thing here because it leads to controversy - suffice it to say that for all except the most head-in-the-sand conspiracy believers, OBL's connection to the events of 9/11 is beyond any reasonable doubt.

Curby - the burial/body thing - I think there can be no doubt that the order was to take him dead or alive, but preferably dead. There are multiple reasons that I can think of why this was the case, the most compelling being the sheer nightmare of where to incarcerate a live OBL, where to put him on trial, where to keep him after a trial while minimizing the liklihood of some of his buddies trying to break him out, or take hostages, etc. You catch my drift. Then, after he might have died in a western prison, where could he have been buried within 24 hours as Islamic rites require?

It also appears to be a fact, according to an academic who has studied Al-Q in depth and whom I saw talking on one of the news channels today, that one of OBL's many bodyguards was at all times charged with putting a bullet through his head if it ever looked like he was going to be captured. If this is indeed the case, it was only a question of 'whose bullet'.

I don't know (and nobody else does either, yet) whether the authorities made any efforts to find a country that would accept his body for burial, certainly within the necessary 24 hours. Even if they had found somewhere, there would have been a serious risk of turning his grave into a ghoulish attraction for both admirers and haters. Deep sixing him was by the far the most appealing option any way you look at it, imho. If they had kept the body for longer without burial, there would have all sorts of complaints that the US was defiling Islamic law

We have had confirmation of a DNA match today, and I am sure that at least one photo will be made public in due course. Even then, some will claim that the photo could have been photoshopped.

George,
I definitely hear you and don't doubt for a second that the U.S. ever wanted him alive.  I don't have a problem with Americans celebrating his death because this guy changed the world forever for the worse.

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Latest reports are that the mission objective was not to take him alive. The team sent in was a "death squad". In regards to the celebrations, the strangest one that broke out was during the Phillies/Mets game. As word spread by messaging through the stands the crowd broke into a U-S-A chant and cheering while the players on the field were miffed as to what was happening.

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It's a nice milestone.  I know it's not the end of the war on terror, but I'll take it.  The next thing that needs to happen is an accelerated timetable to get out of Afghanistan.  After all, as of last night it's mission accomplished.  It's time to close that chapter and focus on the next one.  Hard to say what that might be, but I have to believe there is a more valuable mission out there.

And what a bunch of rats in Pakistan.  No wonder I like India more.

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Folks, I know there's been a lot of restraint with the posts here. No matter I think we're into politics and religion which we all know are non subjects here. With our friends and family traveling, and for their safety, I think it would be best that this thread be deleted completely. Moderators if you would please.

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Spider wrote:

Folks, I know there's been a lot of restraint with the posts here. No matter I think we're into politics and religion which we all know are non subjects here. With our friends and family traveling, and for their safety, I think it would be best that this thread be deleted completely. Moderators if you would please.


..well i just read through the thread again and apart from Deezer daring to use the Dem**** and Rep******* words i cant see

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( fuzzin bot )  ..well i just read through the thread again and apart from Deezer daring to use the Dem**** and Rep******* words i cant see "Politics" mentioned myself!... but if Politics means a process by which groups of people make collective decisions.... then as Bonaholics we all come here and make collective decisions in regards to WGG!... so maybe we should delete the whole damn forum!... or at the very least seeing as football is regarded by some as a "Religion"... delete all the football threads also!   roll

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