• From: over yonder....in PA
  • Registered: 2009-02-09
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Topic: An interesting idea for delay and reverb

Greetings from college! I was wondering what you guys think of this idea....

    Being away from my gear, I read and think a lot about stuff I want to try when I get home for breaks...so here goes. We all know the standard formula of 2 amps; one with a reverb and one with a delay-then you run them going left and right through the cabinet.

What would happen if you had 2 a/b/c switches, ran your effects chain as usual, then at the end, split the signal into 2 parts with A having delay, and then B having reverb - then you rejoin the two signals at the second A/B/C box and run both signals through the same amp.

I'm guessing the same idea would work by using 2 Y cables.

As I said, I'd try but I don't exactly have my gear. Lemme know what you think! And if any of you try it, post the results

Cheers,
Ryan

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  • From: York, PA
  • Registered: 2010-08-27
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Re: An interesting idea for delay and reverb

I don't know what would happen, but to be honest, I don't see what it would accomplish?  But I did read somewhere, maybe here, about David Gilmour doing something similar with his delay:  Running his guitar into an A/B/Y box, one side through a delay pedal and then into another A/B box along with the dry signal and sending the signal into the amp.  I think the second A/B box needed to have a mix control also.

One time when my band played, we Didn't run the PA in stereo so the same thing was coming out of both sides.  I was using 2 amps, mic'ed with delay on on and reverb on the other.  I had them both mic'd up and each through a separate channel of the board but they both were then joined back up through the PA speakers and it defeated the purpose of everything.  It was just like using one amp.  -Seth

  • From: over yonder....in PA
  • Registered: 2009-02-09
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Re: An interesting idea for delay and reverb

my thought is that if I did it this way, then the reverb wouldn't effect the signal of the delay and likewise-they would each stay independent and then mix at the amp. I stopped using a 2 amp setup because it became a pain to carry to gigs and I figured this might achieve a similar effect without the hassle

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  • From: Scotland
  • Registered: 2009-02-11
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Re: An interesting idea for delay and reverb

instead of having 2 a/b/y boxes you could get a loop pedal. delay in 1 loop and reverb in the other and switch between the 2. I have been getting some great tones through a line 6 podhd 500 and have it configured so that on my bonamassa type tone i have reverb on but when i kick in the delay the reverb goes off.

  • From: Was NY now FL/GA line
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Re: An interesting idea for delay and reverb

TubeSaturation wrote:

Greetings from college! I was wondering what you guys think of this idea....

    Being away from my gear, I read and think a lot about stuff I want to try when I get home for breaks...so here goes. We all know the standard formula of 2 amps; one with a reverb and one with a delay-then you run them going left and right through the cabinet.

What would happen if you had 2 a/b/c switches, ran your effects chain as usual, then at the end, split the signal into 2 parts with A having delay, and then B having reverb - then you rejoin the two signals at the second A/B/C box and run both signals through the same amp.

I'm guessing the same idea would work by using 2 Y cables.

As I said, I'd try but I don't exactly have my gear. Lemme know what you think! And if any of you try it, post the results

Cheers,
Ryan

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  • From: over yonder....in PA
  • Registered: 2009-02-09
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Re: An interesting idea for delay and reverb

That's a cool little box, but I think that's a bit of overkill (price) for what I'm trying to achieve. I'll probably build some Y-cables and give them a try in a few weeks.

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  • Registered: 2010-03-20
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Re: An interesting idea for delay and reverb

helrazr84 wrote:

I don't know what would happen, but to be honest, I don't see what it would accomplish?  But I did read somewhere, maybe here, about David Gilmour doing something similar with his delay:  Running his guitar into an A/B/Y box, one side through a delay pedal and then into another A/B box along with the dry signal and sending the signal into the amp.  I think the second A/B box needed to have a mix control also.

One time when my band played, we Didn't run the PA in stereo so the same thing was coming out of both sides.  I was using 2 amps, mic'ed with delay on on and reverb on the other.  I had them both mic'd up and each through a separate channel of the board but they both were then joined back up through the PA speakers and it defeated the purpose of everything.  It was just like using one amp.  -Seth


Hel- I made a long post about DG but it's slightly different, as more so about parallel mixing.

Basically what he does is seperate out the dry and wet signal and then re-mixes.

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  • From: York, PA
  • Registered: 2010-08-27
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Re: An interesting idea for delay and reverb

Jakey, that was an interesting concept.  I couldn't remember exactly how it was done or how it worked, but TubeSaturation's idea of mixing delay and reverb reminded me of it.  I'll have to re read your original post, as it was very interesting. Thanks.

  • Registered: 2008-08-24
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Re: An interesting idea for delay and reverb

I use 2 amps with an AB+Y pedal, and with a stereo(1 in 2 outs) Delay pedal in the loop of amp A.  The 2 outs of the delay pedal go to the effects returns of both amps.  So, when the A button is selected and the delay is engaged, I still have both amps running.  The effect is very spacial and huge sounding.  I am a pedal freak! lol

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Re: An interesting idea for delay and reverb

MickeyFinn wrote:

I use 2 amps with an AB+Y pedal, and with a stereo(1 in 2 outs) Delay pedal in the loop of amp A.  The 2 outs of the delay pedal go to the effects returns of both amps.  So, when the A button is selected and the delay is engaged, I still have both amps running.  The effect is very spacial and huge sounding.  I am a pedal freak! lol


So your delay "outs" go into the return side of Both amps with the "in" coming from the send of one of them.  The outputs of the A/B box go into the inputs of both amps.  NOW: Are both amps always producing sound since the stereo delay is going into Both of them or do you have to actually press channel A to activate the second amp?  If so, does the delay then ping pong from amp to amp?  I know I tried hooking up a delay pedal the same way some time ago, but I forget what the results were.

  • Registered: 2008-08-24
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Re: An interesting idea for delay and reverb

Sorta.  Amp A is a Carvin X100B from the late '80's.  It's factory footswitch has an effects loop on/off switch.  So, I kick that on, which gives me the delay(Boss DD-3) which feeds the effects returns of the Carvin and also amp B, a Gallien Krueger 250RL(via the direct out on the DD-3).  My AB+Y switch is a Champion PURE AB+Y, and it has one switch which toggles between amp A  and amp B, the other switch is a Y, or both at once. With the Y going and the delay engaged, I have all of my artillery in the air at once! lol   I'm going to shoot a youtube video of my set-up in a few weeks.   I also use a  few other pedals with this setup.  I am looking to replace the Carvin with a new Retro Rec1 amp soon.  Not that I don't like the Carvin, it's fine, but that Retro Rec does just what I'm looking for! smile

  • From: York, PA
  • Registered: 2010-08-27
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Re: An interesting idea for delay and reverb

MickeyFinn wrote:

Sorta.  Amp A is a Carvin X100B from the late '80's.  It's factory footswitch has an effects loop on/off switch.  So, I kick that on, which gives me the delay(Boss DD-3) which feeds the effects returns of the Carvin and also amp B, a Gallien Krueger 250RL(via the direct out on the DD-3).  My AB+Y switch is a Champion PURE AB+Y, and it has one switch which toggles between amp A  and amp B, the other switch is a Y, or both at once. With the Y going and the delay engaged, I have all of my artillery in the air at once! lol   I'm going to shoot a youtube video of my set-up in a few weeks.   I also use a  few other pedals with this setup.  I am looking to replace the Carvin with a new Retro Rec1 amp soon.  Not that I don't like the Carvin, it's fine, but that Retro Rec does just what I'm looking for! smile

Hey I tried the delay pedal thing earlier today and it didn't work?  I ran the outputs of the AB box into the "in's" of both amps.  Then a stereo delay pedal in the loop of one, and the second output on that delay went to the return of the second amp's loop.  The second amp, that only had the delay going into it's "return" jack wouldn't produce any sound.  Only some bleed over from the other amp.  Did it with 2 different delay pedals with same result.  I run my gig rig differently anyway with reverb on one and delay on the other, just wanted to try this for something to do.