Topic: Camera Settings

For those of you who have taken some of the great pictures posted here, do you have any suggestions as to camera settings.  I shoot with a Nikon D80 with the standard zoom lens that came with the package (not the fastest lens!)  I remember seeing some flashes at past shows but would  rather shoot without.  Many thanks!

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thaze wrote:

For those of you who have taken some of the great pictures posted here, do you have any suggestions as to camera settings.  I shoot with a Nikon D80 with the standard zoom lens that came with the package (not the fastest lens!)  I remember seeing some flashes at past shows but would  rather shoot without.  Many thanks!

Hey, I'm no expert, but my preference is to shoot in Manual mode, no flash. House lighting is very important, but with modern enthusiast DSLRs you can get acceptable noise levels up in the ISO 2000 range, which means you can open up the iris as much as possible - F4.5 or so and aim to shoot at about 1/125 of a second, or as fast as you can get yet slightly underexposing, which usually gives a nice result. Set metering to spot metering and wb fixed settings to "natural". Auto focus and be rutheless about deleting blurred or poor images and crop carefully when you have your final selected images.

If you are thinking of upgrading your lens, take a look at the Sigma 18-200. there should be one for a Nikon (I use a Canon body) It's a great all round lens and it's hardly ever off my camera, despite having a number of other lenses.

Good luck (yes that plays it's part too, I have to say)

Geoff O

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3 (edited by samjp4 2010-11-19 20:46:14)

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Welcome to the Forum thaze. 

Mostly echo a lot of what Geoff said.  I've just started getting "brave" enough to go manual most of the time.  It's fun, and since Joe's lighting is so great now it makes it a lot easier to shoot at higher shutter speeds (a must with the way Joe plays!) and use an iso of 1250-1600.  I have the same lens Geoff is talking about (80-200) Sigma and I use it a lot.  It is light weight and very flexible - just a little on the slow side, but more than adequate with Joe's current stage setup.  I used it almost exclusively at Symphony Hall in Springfield.  I also have a 24/70 f2.8 and 70/200 f2.8.  Nice, but pricey and heavy to lug around.  If I am farther from the stage I will use the 70/200 - used it in the Hampton Beach pics.

Don't be afraid to experiment - with digitals you can take a lot of pictures and get instant feedback so take a zillion pictures - no one but you will see the horrible ones.  And every once in a while you will be rewarded with what I call an "oh my goodness" picture - if you've been doing this for awhile you know what I mean.

Another good way to "learn" settings is to take the time to look at the exif file on everyone's flickr pics.  There is a wealth of info there about settings and such.  Editing can enhance a picture a lot.  With the great files that you must get from your Nikon you can "zoom" things up a lot and not lose much (but my favorites are still the ones that are great without any added touches).  I hope Rhonda chimes in here - she is the resident pro!  When I first switched to DSLR she gave me a lot of pointers, and she is the level I aspire to.

Sandy

"There's a lot of people that are in so much of a hurry to be, I guess, to be famous or that they don't want to take the time to learn to play and do all that.They'd rather just knock it down off a computer and maybe get on a game show and get famous..That's fine if that's what you want to do.
"We're more old school than that. We like creating the sounds."  - Tom Petty

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Many thanks for the tips.  This will be my 4th show and have kicked myself for not taking a camera previously!  I had shot manual all of the time many years ago when all we had was film and the old style metering system.  Basically because that was all the old Canon would do.  Then as I moved up I got lazy and found myself leaving it on auto most of the time.  I still think my best pictures were back in the day when I played with settings and pushed the ISO some.

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Just one other tip, quite important this one. Take the time to read the guidelines about photopasses in the sticky at the top of the Cool Pictures section. Remember, when you apply for a photopass, that you sign over the rights to the pictures to J&R. Some venues are fussy about allowing DSLRs with detachable lenses. I don't have a problem with that as my efforts are all amateur and for fun only (maybe one day, if I get good enough, someone will offer to pay me to take pictures - I wish LOL)

Geoff O

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I’ve had the privilege of shooting at least 400 concerts in the past five years, for a wide range of different bands.  At least half of these have been shooting a whole show (with the band’s approval), rather than just three songs.  I haven’t been able to do that for Joe yet, but here’s hoping.

Anyway, my point is that I’ve learned through trial and error (and that means a lot of mistakes, with over 200,000 photos taken at concerts) what works for me and what doesn’t in different concert situations.

I, and I’m sure the other more experienced photographers here too, like Geoff, could probably write a book on tips and techniques for concert photography, and we’d still miss lots out.  Concert photography is a difficult skill to master simply because to get the best results you often need to push your camera to its limits, and to do that you need to know what those limits are and how your camera will react to certain settings in any given situation.  And that's before you even think about things like composition!

Probably the most important tip I can offer is….  Always make sure your shutter is fast enough to capture the action, even if that means compromising on exposure.  There are exceptions to this if you want to produce a particular ‘arty’ shot but generally, too slow a shutter speed will result in disappointingly unsharp images.  You can, to a degree, fix an underexposed but sharp image, but you can do nothing with a well exposed but blurred image.

I find that if my shutter speed is less than 1/60th of a second then the vast majority of my images will be completely useless.  They may be well exposed but they will be blurred or at least too ‘soft’.  Between 1/60th and 1/125th I will find probably half of them acceptably sharp, but if the light is good enough for me to go above 1/125th (and especially above 1/200th ) then nearly all of them will be sharp enough.  Of course, you can’t just set your shutter to 1/200th all the time, because very few concerts are lit well enough, and you’d find the images far too dark to use. 

I generally start by setting the camera at 1/100th and take a few shots and check them, then adjust the shutter speed up or down depending on whether the images are too dark or two bright.  To do that you either need the camera on a fully manual setting or at least on a shutter priority setting (TV).

Once you’ve mastered adjusting the shutter speed to get the best results, then you can look at adjusting ISO and aperture settings to improve the shots even further.  To start with put your ISO at the highest you can without the images appearing too grainy.  For SLRs this is usually around 800-1600 ISO (maybe a little higher with newer cameras).  For point and shoot cameras it usually means up to about 400 ISO (any higher and the grain/noise deteriorates the image too much in my opinion).

For aperture, start by putting it as wide open as your lens will allow.  That means about f2.8 on most pro lenses, or more likely f3.5 – f5.6 for other lenses.  -  the lower the number the more light it will allow into your camera.  If the lighting is good enough you can play with different aperture setting to improve depth of field etc, but that would be a whole other lesson.

There are probably as many opinions about best techniques as there are photographers, and the above is just some of the things that work for ME.  At least as a base point.  I wouldn’t say I adhere to my own advice all the time, as once you have a few decent shots in the bag you can start experimenting and trying different things.  Some will work and some won’t but the important thing is to learn from it, ready for next time.

Marty

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hello everyone,

i just read the forum with regard to photo-shooting as well as adjusting lenses of DSLRs..and its nice to have such people who are expert on this. anyways thank so much..

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This thread should be a sticky, with the more experienced throwing out advice and tips for those of us less experienced photographers.  Excellent reading for someone (me) anticipating recieving my first DSLR tomorrow. Thanks for the great advise.

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martymoffatt wrote:

I’ve had the privilege of shooting at least 400 concerts in the past five years, for a wide range of different bands.  At least half of these have been shooting a whole show (with the band’s approval), rather than just three songs.  I haven’t been able to do that for Joe yet, but here’s hoping.

Anyway, my point is that I’ve learned through trial and error (and that means a lot of mistakes, with over 200,000 photos taken at concerts) what works for me and what doesn’t in different concert situations.

I, and I’m sure the other more experienced photographers here too, like Geoff, could probably write a book on tips and techniques for concert photography, and we’d still miss lots out.  Concert photography is a difficult skill to master simply because to get the best results you often need to push your camera to its limits, and to do that you need to know what those limits are and how your camera will react to certain settings in any given situation.  And that's before you even think about things like composition!

Probably the most important tip I can offer is….  Always make sure your shutter is fast enough to capture the action, even if that means compromising on exposure.  There are exceptions to this if you want to produce a particular ‘arty’ shot but generally, too slow a shutter speed will result in disappointingly unsharp images.  You can, to a degree, fix an underexposed but sharp image, but you can do nothing with a well exposed but blurred image.

I find that if my shutter speed is less than 1/60th of a second then the vast majority of my images will be completely useless.  They may be well exposed but they will be blurred or at least too ‘soft’.  Between 1/60th and 1/125th I will find probably half of them acceptably sharp, but if the light is good enough for me to go above 1/125th (and especially above 1/200th ) then nearly all of them will be sharp enough.  Of course, you can’t just set your shutter to 1/200th all the time, because very few concerts are lit well enough, and you’d find the images far too dark to use. 

I generally start by setting the camera at 1/100th and take a few shots and check them, then adjust the shutter speed up or down depending on whether the images are too dark or two bright.  To do that you either need the camera on a fully manual setting or at least on a shutter priority setting (TV).

Once you’ve mastered adjusting the shutter speed to get the best results, then you can look at adjusting ISO and aperture settings to improve the shots even further.  To start with put your ISO at the highest you can without the images appearing too grainy.  For SLRs this is usually around 800-1600 ISO (maybe a little higher with newer cameras).  For point and shoot cameras it usually means up to about 400 ISO (any higher and the grain/noise deteriorates the image too much in my opinion).

For aperture, start by putting it as wide open as your lens will allow.  That means about f2.8 on most pro lenses, or more likely f3.5 – f5.6 for other lenses.  -  the lower the number the more light it will allow into your camera.  If the lighting is good enough you can play with different aperture setting to improve depth of field etc, but that would be a whole other lesson.

There are probably as many opinions about best techniques as there are photographers, and the above is just some of the things that work for ME.  At least as a base point.  I wouldn’t say I adhere to my own advice all the time, as once you have a few decent shots in the bag you can start experimenting and trying different things.  Some will work and some won’t but the important thing is to learn from it, ready for next time.

Marty

good advice marty, but images dont have to be sharp to work well.  for me its all about the feel of the image and not so much technical accuracy that counts.  should maks for some good discussion when/if we get the MR seminars sorted.. smile

BTW you missed your chance at wolves, pit was open for the full gig.  smile

rob
www.robstanley-photography.co.uk

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rob_stanley wrote:

good advice marty, but images dont have to be sharp to work well.  for me its all about the feel of the image and not so much technical accuracy that counts.  should maks for some good discussion when/if we get the MR seminars sorted.. smile

BTW you missed your chance at wolves, pit was open for the full gig.  smile

rob
www.robstanley-photography.co.uk

Hi Rob, good to see you here.  I agree that images don't have to be sharp, and when done deliberately an unsharp image can be stunning.  However, I find that when I'm looking back at potentially several hundred images from a gig, most of my slightly blurred images get thrown out straight away as they often look and feel a little disappointing.  The shots I keep and, certainly if they are also underexposed, the shots I can do most with are the sharper ones.

Unfortunately I missed the two BCC gigs as I spent New Year in the States - I fly home tomorrow.  Sounds like it was a great show though.

I will definitely set up those seminars in the next few weeks.  As you say, there is likely to be some lively discussion.

Marty

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What camera settings do you use to get maximum  color, contrast and sharpness???