Topic: Thin Lizzy - Still in Love with.....them

Fitting I suppose that in the week that saw the very sad passing of Gary Moore I should have the chance to see a band that he was so intrinsically linked with, play live.

Thin Lizzy at the Markthalle Hamburg was a sold out show already, even before the sad news of Gary’s death, but coming just 5 days after his loss the event had added poignancy.

Vocalist Ricky Warwick went to great pains to explain that Lizzy’s current activities are designed to keep the Phil Lynott’s music ‘out there’ and Gary, courtesy of his several stints with the band, and his writing with Phil was being remembered by that association. The final encore of ‘Black Rose’ was specifically dedicated to his memory – and that was a pleasing moment for all.

There have been lots of comments about this ‘new’ Lizzy line up and what it seeks to achieve. Arguably they are a heritage act. What I wanted to see if they were just in it for the money or the music.

I’ve seen the band through various phases of its life from the early trio  with Eric Bell and GM, to the Robertson and Gorham combination, the Sykes/Gorham axis (or ‘axes’) and more recently Sykes/Aldridge/Mendoza/Gorham. So this new expanded lineup is something new again. As always there are both positives and negatives.

Positives first:

The set-list is a good representation of the band’s music. With such a big catalogue to choose from there is always the likelihood some fave will be overlooked. I was sorry not to hear ‘Suicide’, ‘Johnny the Fox’ and ‘The Rocker’ for example but most of the big numbers are there. Standout tracks – for me – had to be a truly rousing ‘Whisky in the Jar’ and ‘Still in Love with You’. The band played for about an hour and 45 or so which I think was reasonable value.

The Line up

Brian Downey – I mention Brian first because he honestly doesn’t ever get the praise he should. Most TL fans appreciate what he does, but a wider audience should know he is one of the best drummers alive. He is the Eric Clapton of drumming in that he makes the complicated look effortless and easy. I think he is really a ‘swing’ drummer because he is only guy I know that can get that all important groove into ‘Boys are Back in Town’. A great asset to have him in this band.

Scott Gorham – He really surprised me. He is SO up for it with this band. He is soloing more and very well too. His playing was pin sharp. It is like he has taken on the gutsier playing role which I thought Viv Campbell would have. Scott played downright dirty up there and was having huge fun leading this band.

Marco Mendoza – I’ve seen this guy with Whitesnake and Lizzy before. Never with Ted Nugent, but he is such an entertainer. A great bassist who stands his ground right out front, interacting with the audience. He is a very visual guy and a great singer in his own right. Tremendous performance from him.

Ricky Warwick – I guess a lot of pressure on him fulfilling the ‘front man’ role. It helps that he was a huge fan of Phil’s and is a great vocalist in his own right. I thought he judged the timbre and approach to the songs really well. He didn’t copy or try to copy. Being Irish anyway all the accented aspects of the vocals were in the right place and so none of it sounded at all off. I’ll come to the negatives, but let me say none of them are down to Ricky’s performance of the songs. Visually, that he plays guitar I think helped, although with 2 great guitarists there already I thought it superfluous except when he played the acoustic which really added to the mix on ‘Whisky’ and ‘Wild One’.

Viv Campbell – was really interested to see Viv in this role. I think he has been a wasted talent in Leppard, but the money there must be so good. He is used to sharing the lead guitar role but even so I was surprised that Scott took so many of the breaks. Still, it isn’t so much how much you do, but how you do it. If a standout song in the set was ‘Still in Love with you’ then part of it must be down to Viv’s solo. It was scandalously good. ‘Killer on the loose’ also provided him with a platform to shred mercilessly showing just what a class act he is. As the 3rd Irishman on the stage he looked born to be there.

Darren Wharton – Fine keyboarder he may be, and a good set of pipes too with his shared vocals with Ricky on ‘Still in Love with You’, but I, like many other TL fans never understood why the band needed any keys. I still don’t. Apart from an intro or two his work was anonymous and meaningless. They may as well cut the cash 5 ways instead of 6. This isn’t to criticize his performance in any way. I’m sure he worked hard and what he did was well done. But I couldn’t hear it and didn’t need to hear it. It just looked utterly pointless.

OK the negatives.

I guess one of them would have to be the inclusion of the keyboards which I already addressed with my comments about Darren Wharton. Maybe it could be linked to my chief gripe which would have to be THE SOUND.

The keyboards were never going to stand a chance when the stage sound is tuned to Hammersmith Odeon levels but the band is playing a hall a third of that in size. The guitars murdered everything. I clearly remember thinking halfway through the second song ‘Angel of Death’, that the concert was going to be devoid of any charm at all because the sound was just metal. Lizzy were always a rock band, but with Phil as front man the melody and lyrical content of the songs needed to be heard. No way would he have signed off on this mix.

As I’ve said Ricky Warwick was doing a great job but the majority of his vocals were being lost, or rather overwhelmed. The band are too loud. It just isn’t necessary. The standout tracks mentioned before were that primarily because one is a ballad and naturally quieter, the other a Celtic folk song which carries a natural charm which can’t be so easily subdued. The lighter sound enabled the individual performances to shine. It was regrettably lacking on everything else.

They should address this as it fundamentally undermines what the band is about. By all means rock and hard, but don’t murder such great songs with pointless volume. Sack the guy at the desk or get someone with the gonads to get them to underplay a smidgeon. The pay off would be huge.

Conclusions

Heritage act? The band has a heritage, a hard earned one. If Scott and Brian don’t have the right to play these songs as Thin Lizzy, then who does? From the stage moves I saw these guys are in it for the music and the buzz. I don’t imagine Viv Campbell needs the dosh so here is definitely there for the crack of it. Ricky Warwick has a career of his own to pursue so he’s doing this because he wants to. My impression was that Thin Lizzy 2011 play as if they mean it.
But if I could make a suggestion it would to be perhaps lose the keyboards, and reduce the band to a genuine 4 piece again. Either Ricky or Marco could handle both the bass and vocals. But maybe that would be a comparison too far with the old format. Sorry then Darren – you are the weakest link…..off you go. Sometimes you gotta be cruel to be kind!

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Very fair and nice, of course Lizzy can never be Lizzy without Phil, but at least with Downey back on board, the heartbeat is there. NO ONE can replace that special lilt Brian brings to the music, Tommy Aldridge is an OUTSTANDING drummer, but without Brian, the songs just don't swing....

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Thin Lizzy - Still in Love with.....them ?
Yeah, and i agree with the Brian Downey comments made.  smile

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they have just today announced a lot of UK dates for Jan/Feb 2012 including Hammersmith Odeon, - and just bought tickets to see them at Brighton Dome, - one of my favourite small venues.

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And i'll be seeing them for the first time-unbelieveably-in january at Newcastle City Hall,a saturday night with a stopover,expecting a hangover!! big_smile

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I'd like to see the new version.  I saw the Sykes/Gorham/Mendoza/Aldridge version back in 2001 and they rocked the house.  Hopefully the schedule will align some day.

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Saw them at Bospop! Enjoyed it very much!

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There are some clips on YouTube @ High Voltage Festival - seek em out!

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...Lost Lizzy songs to be released!....700?!

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thanks Pete, interesting story behind this find.

- We are looking forward to 3rd February at Brighton Dome, - one of the best venues around for feeling connected with the stage although they may bit a little loud for it from what hansamike says above!

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Saw an earlier incarnation tour a few years ago; John James Sykes Guitar/Vocs, Scott Gorham Guitar/vocs, Tommy Aldridge drums & Marco Mendoza bass; they were very loud at Newcastle City Hall. Don't know what the current line-up is like, though I've heard good things.

Word is this line-up could be doing some studio time....... Interesting, but daunting.....

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- and Gary's son Jack Moore is playing on stage with the band tonight.....

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Jack-Moor … ;filter=12

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Yes the word appears to be that a studio album is on the way. Daunting for Scott to try it, but he is right to do so. The y shouldn't just be a tribute band of themselves there are already enough of them. I should know I'm in one!

Hope to see a review of one of the shows. Mine was early last year already. I felt then the guitars were too loud, in a loud overall performance.

Its a problem, this sound thing. When I complain about it my own drummer says "the people should know what to expect". Whats that then? That you play so loud that without earplugs your ears will ring for 2 days?

Nice touch though that through Gary's son they are keeping the connection alive. Forza Lizzy!

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http://youtu.be/B1w_0D7sJF4

The start of Emerald where Jack was brought on stage. Quick review:

Very very loud, - we put in ear plugs, - I took the 2 kids and having irreparably damaged my ears in the 70's I am trying to protect theirs (son practices in his band with them in standing right in front of a cymbal for a couple of hours is not great!. Actually this video clip that I have put up is only short because my video camera hard drive could not cope with the vibrations caused by the volume so kept giving up part way through a song. The volume was increased through the show.

Anyway, the positive, - this band are tight, - the "new" additions add rather than detract in any way. Ricky is a superb frontman, - Marco is a great character to watch, - he wants to dance all the time whilst playing! And Damon Johnson is superb!!!! - The tone out of his LP Goldtop was as good as Joe's, - and I mean that as a compliment, he can also play some great leads. Scott is right on the money, amused to see that he is wearing sensible comfy flat shoes as opposed to the white platform heels he was wearing when I last saw him! - Brian is one of the best, - he is amazing to see as he bounces his sticks around the kit with the ease of a jazz drummer, - he has a real swing to his playing that contributes an awful lot to the overall Lizzy sound. Final mention goes to the often overlooked keyboard player Daren Wharlton, - what a great voice, he took a duel lead singing role with Ricky on SILWY and he had a lovely tone to his voice which I think alone is deserving of his place.

Too many songs to pick a favourite as they all in their own way mean so much, but "still in love with you" had me shaking my head in disbelief in that these hairy tattoos rockers could produce such msical beauty out on stage. The whole venue was standing by the end, - this tour is a great tribute to Phil and Gary.

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- forgot to mention the support band; Clutch, - absolutely brilliant, real raw sound, - my video of their last song "Electric Worry", - well worth 7 minutes of your time:

http://youtu.be/uBP0MfbN1QY

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