Topic: My Once in a Lifetime Guitar Story

They say every long term guitarist has one, an encounter with an old guitar where the owner has no idea what they actually have. You know, the old lady across the street with the old Les Paul in her attic.  Here is my story:  It happened back in the early 1980's when I was finishing college.  I was in Ft. Myers, Florida visiting some family friends.  Somehow the subject of guitars came up.  My parent's good friend said and I quote " I have an old guitar.  I bought it new back in the late 50's.  It is out in the backyard in the trunk of my old car."  Well, he had an old Packard in the back yard and he went out and opened the trunk and brought the guitar in.  It was a 1957 Fender Stratocaster and other than crappy strings, it was in great shape.  I don't know how long it was in that trunk in the hot Florida sun but I am guessing a few years.  I was stunned.  Immediately, a little devil appeared on my shoulder and told me to try to buy it for $50.  Thank God my conscience kept me from doing that.  I told him what he had and asked him to please keep it in the house!  They were very happy to say the least.  A few years later, they had some severe medical problems in the family and they were able to sell the old strat for a lot of money to help with their expenses. It was a true blessing for them.  I did get to play the guitar for a long time and it was something special.  I still enjoy telling this story .  It was my big "old guitar" moment.

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That is a great story, and proof that "doing the right thing" pays off in the end.

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ZeyerGTR wrote:

That is a great story, and proof that "doing the right thing" pays off in the end.

+1

Good on ya!
You'll never go too far wrong by doing the right thing.

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In these times, it sure is nice to read stories like this.  I wish I read more of them.

I'm still waiting for my once in a lifetime event, but I gotta say, glad to hear that you did the right thing.  That deed will come back to you at some point.

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Plenty of positive karma points are due back to you in your lifetime!!  cool

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That is such a nice story HoosierRock and something to feel really good about, no one can put a price tag on that!  smile

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Great story! The world desperately needs more genuine people like you smile (and Joe .... and all the other nice people in this forum!) Maybe bluesrock brings out the best in people?

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Devan wrote:

Plenty of positive karma points are due back to you in your lifetime!!  cool

+1,000,000

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I would have taken the karma hits for a 57.  Robert Johnson also ignored certain "not selling your soul to the devil" warnings I assume.  big_smile

but to be honest, i think in great part good karma is what allowed me to get my guitar back when it was stolen june. 

i would like to think that i am a bigger YOUCANTSAYTHATHERE than i really am...

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My long lost friend owned a store here in Hickory NC.  I forgot his last name but his first name was Allen.  Anyway he had one of those moments that you discribed with a 50's model Telecaster.  An old lady called him and said she had a guitar she wanted to sell that belonged to her son.  He told her to bring it in and he would look at it. The poor old lady lost her son in the Vietnam War and never cleaned his room out.  She was moving to a retirement home and needed money and found the guitar.  She asked Allen what he would take for it and Allen didn't have such a nice moment. He offered her $200 and she left with a smile thinking she had just won the lottery.  Allen turned around and sold it at a guitar show as it turned out it was an 54' Telecaster that at the time was worth around $12,000.  Allen never the greedy type priced it to sell.  $9,000 is what he got out of it in 2001.   BTW today they go for $34,000 or more. 

I asked him if he felt bad about what he did, and he put it to me like this: "I didn't ask her for it, she wanted quick money, and $200 was all I had.  If she felt like it wasn't a fair deal to sell her sons guitar she should have went else where.  Nobody forced her and she didn't counter offer.  So no I don't feel bad" 

I didn't feel bad either I got to play it before he sold it and not to sound like a little kid opening a christmas present or anything but it was the best sounding Telecaster I had the joy of playing.  The vibe the feel everything was amazing.  Allen should have kept that guitar or at least gave the old lady some more money.   

I lost contact with Allen after that he closed his shop and moved to Seattle to open up a shop there.  I think there are a lot less old lady's with guitars under beds then they used to have but they are still there.  Be on the look out for them and you too can have a story.

11 (edited by helrazr84 2011-01-29 01:28:25)

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These are good stories but I too will admit I'd probably take a deal like that if I came across one.  I agree with the shop owner, that if somebody came to me, then it's different.  If you watch pawnstars, there was a woman with a Faberge broach.  She knew nothing about it, and wanted like 2k.  He offered her "in good conscience" something more like 18K.  Now she knew the true value and decided she wanted $20,000!!  She deserved to get screwed.  Some people just don't know any better but I think most would try and do some research before selling something they know nothing about.  And if they don't, well then thats the price they pay.  It all depends on the situation too.

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I felt bad about the fact that she even told him I don't know what this thing is worth now what will you give me for it.  The poor old lady needed money bad to get to this nursing home she was moving to and she came in good faith that the man would give her a fair price.  I'm not saying I wouldn't have done the same thing but I think I would have told her that this could be worth a lot of money before I offered her $200.  Because its only worth really what someone is willing to pay for it.

Plus I'm still pissed he took that money and opened up a shop in Seattle!

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great story hoosierrock and i think it's awesome you did that.

the other story with the tele....i see both sides....she did come to him and wanted to sell it....he was operating a for profit shop......and the profit off that guitar would probably be equal to total profit in a small shop for a couple of months or better.....i dont know that's a tough one. sometimes I think it's up to the seller to "know" what they have....i mean if she had walked in and said "what do you think this guitar is worth"  and he said "oh about $200" knowing that it was worth thousands would be terrible and very dishonest.  but if the seller says hey i have this ole guitar i would like to get $200 out of it....then i dont think you have really crossed a black or white line to buy it.....the line may have a tad bit gray in it though.  hmm

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When I was about 10, my parents started noticing I was pretty dedicated to my guitar lessons (I started at 7).  They were looking to get me something a little better than the $20 flea market guitar I started with.  My uncle had just bought a '62 Gibson J-45 from a yard sale for $200, but he also had some sort of old Martin.  Since he had the Martin, he offered me his new treasure for what he paid for it, with the condition that if I ever sold it, it would only be back to him.  It wasn't in the best of shape, and I've had to get some work done on it just to make it playable, but I've had it now for roughly 25 years.  My uncle passed away about two years ago, and as a reminder for his kindness, I keep the program from his funeral in the case, so that it's the first thing I see any time I open it.  He was always one of my biggest supporters, so I owe him that much.  Thanks for the trip down memory lane hoosierrock!

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Sorry, but I gotta disagree with some of the comments about the old lady and tele.  I think he took unfair advantage of her. 

Yes, you can argue that she should have known.  However, isn't that what she came to him for - advice on what it is worth and to sell it?  Think about it - older generations who grew up before the internet aren't used to using it and aren't eBay savvy.  Depending on when this occurred, the internet might not have even been around.  The internet wasn't widely available until the early to mid-90s.  Even then, eBay wasn't around until much later.

People of that generation typically went to their local "experts" when they wanted something appraised.  They did not necessarily use the word "appraised" either.  They might say basically what the lady said, "I have something that I'd like to sell; I don't know how much it is worth."  They depended on that expert's moral compass to be calibrated, which they often were back in the day.  Again, it's a generational thing.

We all get older, and his day of being preyed on by a younger, more savvy generation will also come. 

Sorry for the rant, and I don't mean to insult your friend, but I think he handled it very poorly.  C'est la vie

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Amps: '00 Marshall 1987x, '70 Marshall 1959 SL, 4x12 JBL D120s
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16 (edited by stratpaulguy86 2011-01-29 15:49:41)

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What a great story about the old guitars.  I'm kind of on the fence about what the right or wrong thing to do is.  Usually if you have to ask yourself if it's wrong.....it's wrong.

If an old woman comes to me with a nearly unobtainium type guitar....you know the guitars we see in magazines and dream about.....and I have a chance to buy one at an affordable price, man that's a REALLLLY tough decision.  Like mentioned above, that episode of Pawn Stars was a great example of how people can be.  I mean, if you would have been like, "Oh no no no this is worth way more than $200.  Here I'll give you $2000 cash right now out the door" would that still have been screwing the lady over?  You gave her a lot of money, literally 10X what she asked but it's still not even 1/10 of what it's really worth.... It's so true though, once a seller catches on that they may be holding onto some real treasure the price will take a serious hike.

To be honest, I would have offered her quite a bit more than $200 but only what I could afford for the guitar.  I say the real A-Holes are the guitar hoarding rich collectors that have driven the prices of vintage gear through the roof away from real players who could actually appreciate and use the darn things.

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stratpaulguy86 wrote:

What a great story about the old guitars.  I'm kind of on the fence about what the right or wrong thing to do is.  Usually if you have to ask yourself if it's wrong.....it's wrong.

If an old woman comes to me with a nearly unobtainium type guitar....you know the guitars we see in magazines and dream about.....and I have a chance to buy one at an affordable price, man that's a REALLLLY tough decision.  Like mentioned above, that episode of Pawn Stars was a great example of how people can be.  I mean, if you would have been like, "Oh no no no this is worth way more than $200.  Here I'll give you $2000 cash right now out the door" would that still have been screwing the lady over?  You gave her a lot of money, literally 10X what she asked but it's still not even 1/10 of what it's really worth.... It's so true though, once a seller catches on that they may be holding onto some real treasure the price will take a serious hike.

To be honest, I would have offered her quite a bit more than $200 but only what I could afford for the guitar.  I say the real A-Holes are the guitar hoarding rich collectors that have driven the prices of vintage gear through the roof away from real players who could actually appreciate and use the darn things.

So true about the rich collectors that have bled cities and towns dry of all valuable instruments 20 some years ago.  I also agree with sonicboom about it being a generational thing and most older people depend on local "experts" to inform them of this and that.  I just wish people would have the sense to get a second opinion if they felt the price was too low before selling, even with the threat of the price dropping by $50 if they "go out that door".

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Whether or not an action is "wrong" is based on the action's surroundings. In this case, the collectors play a part in driving the prices up. The holder of the original instrument is ignorant of it's true value. Those two facts don't have anything to do with what's right or wrong. Only the incentive for another person to act in a certain moral or immoral way.

The bottom line is that if the person had known its true value, they would not commit to the same transaction. Even by telling the individual that their property is worth more than they think without disclosing the entire truth isn't moral. It's a tool to have the other individual more willing to sell their instrument by gaining their trust. It's a lie by omission.

Everyone has their own limit on acting morally. I have a limit, but I don't know if I could take advantage of someone in that way. I admit, not even because I care about their welfare all that much, but I couldn't bear the guilt if I were confronted about it. We all do bad things, but I don't like it when someone tries to justify it by claiming that they aren't doing anything wrong.

Really, really big props on that one. There are more important things than guitars. Unfortunately smile