Topic: Strat to Les Paul Transition

Looking for tips on moving to the Les Paul from being a Strat player for many years.  I have a couple of Strats that I am so used to the necks on it is hard to play anything else.  Over the past year I have purchased two used Les Paul Customs. A white 1998 and a Wine Red 1993.  They sound great.  But I am really struggling to get comfortable with the necks.  I have limited knowledge on Les Pauls but I would classify these as pretty thick necks.  I have become addicted to the thick tone and natural sustain of these Les Pauls but am getting discouraged with my struggle to get comfortable playing them.  I am strongly considering selling them if there is a Les Paul model that would be more comfortable for me.  I am not interested in Paul Reed Smith, Hamer, ect.  I am old school and like to stick to the big three, namely Gibson, Fender, and Marshall.  I know it will come down to going out and playing some more Les Pauls, but I would appreciate some tips on which models to start with.

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I think you just have to play them often.  You'll eventually get used to it, I'm sure.  I always wanted a strat since I first started playing guitar, then after 14 years of never buying one I finally did.  I felt like I was in the same boat.  Being strictly used to Ibanez and PRS necks, I thought I made a $1,500 mistake!  I made it my everyday guitar at home and just took it to band practice every week for a month or 2 and now I love it and since bought another.  Since you already bought 2 Les Pauls, I'd say you better put them to good use and start playing them!!  After a while, if you still don't like them at least you gave them a fair chance.  -Seth

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I think the Customs have the thinner 60's necks so in Les Paul land your already on the thinner side, I think. The Traditional Pro has the 60's thin neck profile you can check one of those out the LP Traditional or Traditional Plus have the fatter 50's. I think the R9 and R0 have the thinner necks as well but I don't own one.

I can tell you when I went to get a les paul all I would look at was the 60 slim necks, and I ended up with one with the fatter 50's I just liked the tone so much better, I to thought I made a mistake but after playing it everyday for 6 months I could never play anything else. I like the fat neck so much now that I have been selling my thin necked guitars off.

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I'm a strat guy.  when I started playing I went out and bought 3 with in a year of playing, and later that same year (2001) I bought a SG Standard with a 50's rounded profile then finished off the year with another stratocaster by mistake (and its my favorite).  In 2002 (still living with mom and dad) I bought an original 68' ES-335, Eric clapton Signature model, and a Les Paul Classic.  So my first 3 years of playing I had all these lovely guitars to work with.  The 335 had a broken neck so I got it for a great price, but the neck was so skinny that year at the nut it was 1 inch wide!!!  You seriously couldn't play an A chord on that thing if you have sausage fingers like my dad, I always used my index finger and got them all in that way.  So that guitar sounded amazing but seriously didn't have want it took to make me happy.  The clapton strat has a V neck and personally I think V necks are for those Gibson guys who want to play strats but still need a thick neck to feel comfortable on the guitar They are thinner then the slim 60's but much more beefy then a Standard C like my other strats had.  The Les Paul Classic has a 60's slim profile and felt like the back of the neck was sanded flat for playing metal or something didn't feel like a 60's neck on a standard anyway.  My SG was my favorite Gibson of all time and my biggest regret that I sold.  It had the 50's rounded profile and I always thought that it was a slim 60's like my Les paul but it felt fatter.  It wasn't until later in life that I found out it had the 50's neck on them.  The best I can say about all this is I am like you  a Stratocaster guy.  Standard C works great for me, but I liked fat tones too and out of all this I would say I like the 50's neck better.  My advice is play long and switch often because I agree that in les Paul land your might have the thinnest they got.  The Classic's might be thinner but I don't think you'll be happy with them, You have 2 Les Paul Customs and those guitar are top of their class in my opinion.  Remember setup is everything to a Gibson with a Fender your setup can be a little tough to play and still feel good enough to play, but with a gibson they need to be setup acordingly for the best experience you can get from them.  Good luck and enjoy those Customs!

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Thanks for the quick responses fellas.  I have had the wine red Les Paul for about a year and it has been played a lot.  But I have been back and forth a lot switching between the Strats and the Les Paul.   I have had the white Les Paul since October.  I may just be in a rut right now and am looking for an excuse.  Why do we always blame our equipment when our playing is suffering?
I play an average of two hours a day so I am giving them a fair shake.  It sounds like the Les Paul Customs tend to lean toward the thinner side so I probably already have the neck size that is best for me.  I do struggle with accessing the upper frets simply because it is so easy on the Strats.  AD3THREE, you may have made a crucial point for me.  My Les Pauls may just need a good pro set-up.  That did make a huge difference on my Strats when I got them.

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The problem with les pauls and strats isn't neck thickness...there are some fat neck strats out there and some thin neck les pauls. But! The fretboard on a les paul gets wider nearer the upper register. The distance from the low E to high E gets greater the closer to the body. On a les paul it is far more exaggerated than on a strat and it is horrible if you're not used to it. For me it really is a struggle at times as I've fairly small hands and I cannot use my thumb for the low E anything about the 7th fret. And even around there it's tough.

I'm afraid you will just have to persevere. You may get there, you may not. Here's hoping you do learn to love them.

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besides the different neck shapes (60's, 50's "v", "c", etc.) another thing to consider is the neck radius...a lot of the Fenders are in in 7.25" -> 9.5" radius which makes the fretboard seem more "rounded"....I find LP, PRS, etc. to usually have 12" radius, which to me seems flatter..

add that to the shape of the neck and the distance from the body (Fenders usually have a thinner body) can make each guitar feel way different....

I have two Strats, two Teles, two Gibson Doublecut LP's, three Epi LP's, etc. so the switching back and forth doesn't seem to bother me too much.  I think the affect may be as much mental as physical....just some rambling from an old man...later.

cowboy

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This is a funny situation that you bring up because I had my les paul and a 335 in the shop for 50s wiring, pio caps, cts pots, and pups.  I had to play my brothers strat for 3 weeks gigging.  I hated it at first and now 2 months later I really like it.  I will always be a gibby man but that american made strat ain't bad.  If you like those guitars you have I would consider getting a luthier to sand down the necks to match the one you have.  A good luthier can match whatever neck you want to a T.  It should only cost you $200 a neck tops.  This will be well worth it!  I can keep my eyes and ears open for someone who can do the work.  Your local lumbershop should have a good idea.  If your neck feels right then you will never hold back when you play.  If you always desire a different neck then that will come through in your playing.  I hope that helps.  Let me know how it goes.

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I also had another thought.  You could trade those guitar(s) for the new 2008 standard model.  That doesn't mean it is from 2008.  They made new standard in 2008.  It has upgraded electronics (gold 500K pots), Burstbuckers, a locking neutrik jack, switchcraft toggle, and an asymmetrical neck.  It is supposed to be the most comfortable and versatile neck ever.  I am a lefty so I haven't gotten to try one out, but I have heard from many jammers and pro musicians of many years that say it is a real players guitar and one that they can just pick up and play and it sounds great.  I was blown away to hear that by so many of my old Fender and Gibson playing friends.  These are also guys that swear off Gibson craftsmanship past 1970.  You should look into that type of neck profile or go to your local Gibson dealer to check one out.  They should be less than $3K and tons of color options and tops.

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Wow! You play 2-hours a day....I'm jealous, lucky if I get 15-30 minutes a day of noodling :-(

Some people are Strat or Gibson playaz, not that they can't play both, but generally each player falls on one side of the fence.  I started on a beautiful 1979 Sunburst Custom Les Paul about 15-20 years ago and one day about 3-4 years ago I was listening to SRV on the way down to the guitar store and thought, I should get a Strat....so I did and when I first starting playing it, it fought back at me, but after time I started to win more battles with it and now own a dozen of them.

Too each their own, but each player will find one style guitar their bread and butter via feel and tone...your identity.  I found playing a Strat also to be more vocal of an instrument or could make more sounds come out of it than a LP, which to me played far much easier to the point of sloppiness.....just my experience and thoughts.

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Hmmm.... I had that sort of problem a couple years ago, I played mainly my tele and when I got the les paul it was kinda hard to play, but one thing that really helped me was to set the action on the les paul not to high, so I got my les paul (after a couple of months, the guitartech in the shop was sick) after 2 months back, it sounded great and played very easily. Nowadays I play each guitar very often so that I'm used to different necks... hope that helped...

Rick

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12 (edited by ZeyerGTR 2011-01-12 08:18:43)

Re: Strat to Les Paul Transition

I played strats and teles for 20 years before getting my first LP (a 2008 Traditional).  I tried dozens of LPs before picking that one, and the neck felt wonderful even though it's fairly chunky and wasn't what I thought I wanted.  It did take me months to really get completely comfortable with it, but now every time I pick up the guitar I like it more.  The feel to me is the most important thing about a guitar.  If it doesn't feel right, forget about it.  It could be that the neck on your LP just isn't right for your hands - I tried a bunch of really expensive guitars that I just didn't care for because the neck wasn't right for me (shape, nut width, freboard radius).  Or it could be the setup.  Nothing ruins the feel of a guitar more than a bad setup imho.  What I'm saying is, there's a lot of variety out there - doesn't matter if it's a strat, LP, Suhr... there are models that will probably feel great to you, and models that won't.  You might want to shop around more and try a lot of options to find what you like.  Isn't guitar shopping one of life's great pleasures anyways?

What I found about the LP is that it's like playing a piano - the neck doesn't move much under your hands.  My strats and teles move with my body more as I play.  I'm not saying either one is better, but they lead me to play a little different on each guitar.  Not sure if that helps, but it might be something to consider.

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Strange to hear so many people say LP's were tricky to play initially. I THOUGHT I was a Strat guy way back until I picked up a new LP at a music store and it was so much easier to play. I just find they play better - easier to fret notes and chords, etc. Better sustain, more versatile and chicks dig'em (I am not sure about that one lol).

I finally got my dream guitar last year, an R7 Goldtop. The neck is bigger than my stair rail, and I too worried about it at first as it took me some to adjust. Now, I love it and miss the lost 'mass' in my hands when I play my other guitars.

Just leave the Strat in the case and play your LP's non stop, 24/7/365. Learn all the combinations of pick ups/tone/volume controls until they are second nature. Then reap the rewards of tonal bliss.

Of course, just MHO.

Gits: '03 Gibson Historic R7 Goldtop, '06 Gibson R8 Plaintop, MIJ '62 RI Strat,  and others...
Amps: '99 Marshall 1987x Plexi RI, 1969 Fender Super Reverb

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14 (edited by ZeyerGTR 2011-01-13 14:13:37)

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FYI, the latest Vintage Guitar magazine has an article about changing neck profiles.  Very timely.

@kevman13 - I found the LP easier to play for a lot of things as well.  Bends were easier, the guitar didn't "fight back" as much, and I found finger picking stuff cleaner and easier on the LP.  Other stuff I found easier on the strat, but that's why I want both!  At the end of the day, I still (hopefully) sound like me regardless of the guitar, but the different styles bring out different things.