1 (edited by Sonicboom 2010-11-01 23:51:44)

Topic: RAH Great Flood tone - How does Joe do it?

I'm hoping the Joe will read this and share his setup/settings for the Great Flood, but anyone please chime in. 

To me, that is the ultimate LP sound - thick, woody, clean and warm.  It's unmistakable and is why I bought my first LP almost a hundred years ago.   wink  All the bands I saw growing up had LPs that sounded like that.  I know it's a JB model, but what of the pickups - real PAFs?  One of his has a set in it.  What amps is he using?  It isn't very bright for a bridge pickup, so he must have the guitar/amp highs backed off.

The tone still eludes me, and it isn't because I have the wrong gear.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks!

Guitars: '79 LP Custom, '01 Dickey Betts Goldie - 80 of 114, '00 Chandler Lectraslide
Amps: '00 Marshall 1987x, '70 Marshall 1959 SL, 4x12 JBL D120s
'64 Vibroverb - JBL D130, '66 Super Reverb - CTS Alnicos
'77 Peavey Deuce (great for melting stubborn ear wax)

Re: RAH Great Flood tone - How does Joe do it?

You can find all sorts of descriptions of Joe's rig on the forum.  He uses a multi-amp set up where two amps are on at a time (not sure which two he has on during TGF), he splits reverb to one amp head and delay to another and he sets his LP in toggle between the lead and rhythm pick-ups.  DON'T remember all of this for sure but there are other on here that have his set up memorized :-)  I also read in the Guitar Player issue where he talks about making the BJH where he used a lot of Fender amps for the recording.  I will probably get blasted for this but I really enjoy Joe's tone from Rockpalast.  It's not better or worse than RAH, just more appealing to my ears; I miss the Fenders - sorry Joe.  Sorry to ramble, it's still early here! tongue

Re: RAH Great Flood tone - How does Joe do it?

http://www.jbonamassa.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1377

Here is a good start!

Re: RAH Great Flood tone - How does Joe do it?

The solo sound from a album version sounds like Van Weelden... Version from Rah is a # 52 signature LP with standard pickups , Marshall Silver Jubilee and... I am not sure if it was CA JB 100 or Van Weelden... CA has a reverb + slap back and VW has only reverb so if there is delay it is longer and comes from Marshall. Now I can't tell which amp it was.

5 (edited by Sonicboom 2010-11-02 12:25:30)

Re: RAH Great Flood tone - How does Joe do it?

A great example of the classic woody LP tone I'm after is very clear here about 2:07 - 2:13.  The core nasally tone on the big 5th fret bend comes from guitar and amp; the effects only add texture.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kpz7DeJEMg

Damzet, thanks.  Those are the details I'm after - which amps he was using and what the approximate settings were.  (Joe, pretty please?)   wink

I also thought someone might have been able to duplicate it.

Guitars: '79 LP Custom, '01 Dickey Betts Goldie - 80 of 114, '00 Chandler Lectraslide
Amps: '00 Marshall 1987x, '70 Marshall 1959 SL, 4x12 JBL D120s
'64 Vibroverb - JBL D130, '66 Super Reverb - CTS Alnicos
'77 Peavey Deuce (great for melting stubborn ear wax)

Re: RAH Great Flood tone - How does Joe do it?

If I had to take an educated guess it would be the Jubilee + Carol Ann.  Joe puts some reverb, chorus, and slapback on the Carol Ann which adds a lot of depth and width to the tone.  Also, in a more recent interview Joe mentions that he uses the Carol Ann for "cleaner stuff" and The Great Flood is all about working that volume knob to get the different tones.  So all you need is a Jubilee, Carol Ann JB100, TC Chorus, Boss REV-5, Boss DD3, and a 4x12 loaded with EV12L speakers.  NO PROB RIGHT!?  wink

'67 and '74 Fender Twin Reverbs, '74 Marshall 1987 lead mkII, Metro Superlead 100. Pedals from TC Electronic, Ibanez, Dunlop, BK Butler, Electro-Harmonix, Fulltone, Maestro/Gibson, Loopmaster switching, VoodooLab, Boss. Gibson and Fender guitars, Dimarzio pickups.

Re: RAH Great Flood tone - How does Joe do it?

And Joe's fingers big_smile  You can use the same gear as Joe's and You will sound like You but this is the beauty of guitar smile . And if You want to sound pretty damn cool buy all the stuff that stratpaulguy listed  big_smile

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Re: RAH Great Flood tone - How does Joe do it?

Lovely.  Now, my wife is really gonna kill me.  "Guess what, honey.  The guys say I need to replace all my gear, so I'm selling everything and buying all new stuff."   Listen for my screams.  You should hear them.  lol  lol

Seriously though, all the guitarists that I've ever heard with tone like that, including Joe, were in concert, so the amps were turned up.  Also, the other guys predated CA amps, so I thought that it might be Joe's C5 and his Jubilee.

Anyone know of any specific songs where Joe definitely uses the C5 that might help prove that theory?

Again, thanks for any insight.

Guitars: '79 LP Custom, '01 Dickey Betts Goldie - 80 of 114, '00 Chandler Lectraslide
Amps: '00 Marshall 1987x, '70 Marshall 1959 SL, 4x12 JBL D120s
'64 Vibroverb - JBL D130, '66 Super Reverb - CTS Alnicos
'77 Peavey Deuce (great for melting stubborn ear wax)

Re: RAH Great Flood tone - How does Joe do it?

You said "I will probably get blasted for this but I really enjoy Joe's tone from Rockpalast.  It's not better or worse than RAH, just more appealing to my ears"

Way to go man!  I agree.  There was so much raw energy on those recordings.  The whole band sounded great!  I love JB and band at Rockpalast!!!!

10 (edited by Sonicboom 2010-11-02 19:37:22)

Re: RAH Great Flood tone - How does Joe do it?

I gotta agree.  Rockpalast has some tasty tone as far as I'm concerned.  Love that Chandler!  Not sure why Joe doesn't play The River anymore, it's such a rockin' tune.  It made me go out and buy a Chandler - dang it, Joe.

Guitars: '79 LP Custom, '01 Dickey Betts Goldie - 80 of 114, '00 Chandler Lectraslide
Amps: '00 Marshall 1987x, '70 Marshall 1959 SL, 4x12 JBL D120s
'64 Vibroverb - JBL D130, '66 Super Reverb - CTS Alnicos
'77 Peavey Deuce (great for melting stubborn ear wax)

Re: RAH Great Flood tone - How does Joe do it?

Sonicboom wrote:

Seriously though, all the guitarists that I've ever heard with tone like that, including Joe, were in concert, so the amps were turned up.  Also, the other guys predated CA amps, so I thought that it might be Joe's C5 and his Jubilee.

Anyone know of any specific songs where Joe definitely uses the C5 that might help prove that theory?

Again, thanks for any insight.

The Category 5 amp is used for more of the "rock" stuff that Joe does.  "Just Got Paid", "Bridge to Better Days", the intro to "One of These Days", "Last Kiss" (live), etc...  The Cat 5 is drier, crunchy, and more direct sounding.  Also, the Cat 5 is less saturated by itself until he adds a tubescreamer or fuzz.  The Van Weelden and Carol Ann are more saturated and polite sounding, very much in the Eric Johnson rhelm of tone.  Joe's Marshall/Marshall combination as I like to call it is much more in the vein of Jimmy Page or Eric Clapton to these ears.

'67 and '74 Fender Twin Reverbs, '74 Marshall 1987 lead mkII, Metro Superlead 100. Pedals from TC Electronic, Ibanez, Dunlop, BK Butler, Electro-Harmonix, Fulltone, Maestro/Gibson, Loopmaster switching, VoodooLab, Boss. Gibson and Fender guitars, Dimarzio pickups.

Re: RAH Great Flood tone - How does Joe do it?

BTW I think the biggest trick to getting that huge, vowel like Les Paul tone is manipulating the volume and tone controls.  When everything is on "10" you get more treble and buzziness to the distorted tone.  With the old style wiring like in Custom Shop/Vintage Les Pauls the sound becomes much warmer when you dial the knobs back.  Joe often claims running his volume anywere from 5-7 and the tone knob rolled back to 5 or 6.  Also the nylon saddles on his signature Les Paul help round the tone further and make the E, B, and D strings sound even fatter.  Good luck chasing your perfect Les Paul tone!

'67 and '74 Fender Twin Reverbs, '74 Marshall 1987 lead mkII, Metro Superlead 100. Pedals from TC Electronic, Ibanez, Dunlop, BK Butler, Electro-Harmonix, Fulltone, Maestro/Gibson, Loopmaster switching, VoodooLab, Boss. Gibson and Fender guitars, Dimarzio pickups.

Re: RAH Great Flood tone - How does Joe do it?

+1 on the nylon saddles. They make a difference in the way that the first 3 strings behave. Joe's use of the Volume and Tone knobs on the guitar is also masterful and something of a lost art in these days of turning everything (except the Mids) to "11".

Re: RAH Great Flood tone - How does Joe do it?

Thanks, guys.  Gotta agree on the vol/tone work.  Joe is a master at that.  Everything dimed doesn't sound too good to me anyway.  I was wondering about the nylon saddles.  Might be something interesting to experiment with.

SPG - thanks for the C5 examples.  I think you're right.  I was watching a Musician's Friend interview with Joe talking about his rig.  I heard some similarities btw. the CA and the RAH clip, more so than the VW.

Guitars: '79 LP Custom, '01 Dickey Betts Goldie - 80 of 114, '00 Chandler Lectraslide
Amps: '00 Marshall 1987x, '70 Marshall 1959 SL, 4x12 JBL D120s
'64 Vibroverb - JBL D130, '66 Super Reverb - CTS Alnicos
'77 Peavey Deuce (great for melting stubborn ear wax)

Re: RAH Great Flood tone - How does Joe do it?

I might go and CNC some nylon saddles in school, to see what there like. Now just have to  pretend to my teacher their part of my project. big_smile

Guitars: Epiphone JBLP, Epiphone Les Paul Custom
Amps: Marshall Vintage Modern, 18 watt clone