Re: Need some serious amp selection help...

Logo33 wrote:

I am gassing for the retro wreck... it's solid state but DO NOT let that fool you, I think it sounds wonderful. And its less than $1000 smile

Logan

That thing sounded sweet for solid state. Definitely keeping my eye on one. Where the master volume come in is pretty cool too. Other than that, it sounds like it behaves like a tube amp!

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Re: Need some serious amp selection help...

stratpaulguy86 wrote:

My '68 Super Reverb + pedals does about 90% of what I need as far as tones.  I can't recommend them highly enough, especially when you can get them for under a grand.  Also, don't rule out 'boutique' amps because they are closer than you think to your budget.  I'm a big fan of the Dr. Z stuff myself...EVERY amp seems to have a stupendous clean tone and a great mild grind.  My Maz 18 can do ANYTHING well and it's extremely loud/portable.  I really like the Carmen Ghia and Z-28 too and trust me you WILL NOT need reverb with these amps!  Also, keep your eyes peeled for cheap Silverface Fenders.  You can often times score a Princeton Reverb, Deluxe Reverb, or Super Reverb with someone who doesn't appreciate them because of the silver faceplate...I assure you that most of them sound incredible.

You mentioned some 'Marshall-y' stuff so I'll make a recommendation there.  If I had the extra $$$ I would have bought a Fargen Mini Plex a long time ago.  It's a great little amp that gets the closest to a real cranked plexi tone without having to blow the windows out of your house with it's volume.  I have one locally listed for $1000 that's been sitting there for over a year.  I bet he'd take $800 or $850 for it!  wink

+1 on the Dr Z. Z28, I played one and was very impressed with it's great simplicity and sound through a 1x12 DR Z cab...almost bought it...nice call..great amp that will go plenty loud, but stil luseable in the house.

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Thanks for all the suggestions guys...

The retro wreck does seem really awesome, but I'm still a little weary of paying the same amount of money for a solid state amp, as say a Twin Reverb, you know?  But it sounds good nontheless.

I've heard good things about the Peavey Classics before this thread, so it doesn't surprise that they came up here.  I'd like to look into those more and maybe find one in the area that I could test out.

Dr Z, to be honest with you, I haven't been able to get into.  I don't know what it is, but for some reason, the tone of those amps just isn't for me.  And it probably doesn't help that they're a bit out of my budget either.

Mesa amps sound good, but are also a little pricey and I've heard they can be some-what unreliable.  Maybe not true?  The other problem I have is I can't play on one.  I haven't been to any guitar shops around here that carry them...not even Guitar Center.

But, while I'd love to have a new amp now, I'm really just gathering information and preparing for a new amp in the near future.  My band is growing both in popularity and material...so I'd like to have the sound and reliability of a pro-style tube amp.  So, my budget, if it really needs to, could possibly expand with more saving, but I'm pretty intent on trying to spend less than a grand right now--which I think is feasible, as there are a lot of great pro-style amps for under $1000.

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Because of price and signature sound, I'm currently leaning towards a Fender.  A twin reverb, super reverb, and deluxe reverb all sound great right now...but I'm not sure which is the best.  Which do you guys prefer?  Twins and Supers are monster heavy and loud, so a deluxe sounds like it could better suit my situation, but will it be able to handle practices/small gigs without a mic?  I'm fine with it being mic'd at larger gigs, but if I can help it, I'd rather not have to for smaller gigs/practice situations.  And if these amps can take pedals well to satisfy my needs (as you say your 68 Super does, Justin), that will make me happy.  Lastly, what about production year?  Mr. T, you suggest buying new.  The reissues, from what I hear, are supposed to be good.  But is buying a used vintage amp more worth it?

(sorry for bugging you guys with all the questions....I feel like a noob or something....I appreciate your help!  There's a lot of history and opinions surrounding Fenders themselves, not to mention all amps in general, so it can be hard to wrap your head around it all)

Re: Need some serious amp selection help...

Hey Trueblue,

What kind of guitar are you using, what kinda of music do you play, that will also determine what you need.

E

Re: Need some serious amp selection help...

If you are set on a fender then for sure get one.  Otherwise you'll spend lots of money and time trying to get a peavy or vox to sound like a fender.

I would consider what your going to be playing when choosing a model. If you are going to be outside and NOT micing the amp your going to want 60-100 watts.  So a Twin or a Super might do the trick.  They are heavy.

If you are not playing outside or if out side you can mic the amp I would say the Deluxe is a great option. They are very loud. 

Another option is silver faced fenders. They are older so you may have some minor repares and maintenance. But they sound great and you can get a Bassman head for around 500-800 and you can get a super or twin for around 1000 or less.  They all sound really good.

The hot rod series has changed so I dont know what the new ones sound like. But I might consider one of those too because of the option of using their clean, crunch, or lead channel.

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You might look at a Marshall JCM900 series amp. You can pick them up somewhat cheap & sound good. Don't let the tone snobs scare you away. Channel on can be clean just by turning down your guitars volume & get gritty by cranking the volume up. Channel two is straight ahead classic rock style gain. Once again use your volume knob to change your tone. Through in a tube screamer or your favorite overdrive pedal in the mix you can get a lot of tone colors out of a mid-level cheap set up.

Just my 2 cents.

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bruce919a wrote:

You might look at a Marshall JCM900 series amp. You can pick them up somewhat cheap & sound good. Don't let the tone snobs scare you away.
Just my 2 cents.

I agree. I never owned one, but there's good ones out there. "Purists" won't recommend one, but if you're open to anythng, I'd give them a serious chance.

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Re: Need some serious amp selection help...

Big E wrote:

Hey Trueblue,

What kind of guitar are you using, what kinda of music do you play, that will also determine what you need.

E

Believe it or not, I'm mostly running single-coils, as I have 3 strat-style guitars (I know, your jaw probably just dropped).  The only humbucker guitar I have is a Dean Shadow ML, but I haven't used that in quite a while and I'm planning on selling that to buy something like a Les Paul (possibly the JB Epi).

I like to play anything really (I'm a sucker for versatility), but I play in a country/blues/rock band.  So the sound I'm striving for is targeted toward that.  We play stuff like Marshall Tucker Band, Drive By Truckers, Cream, Waylon and Shooter Jennings, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Jet, Neil Young, Jimi Hendrix, etc.  Hopefully that gives a pretty good idea of what I'm going for...

By the way, I played a Deluxe Reverb in Guitar Center the other day and it sounded great.  Unfortunately they didn't have all the amps I'd like to try (like the Twin, Super, etc.), but at least the Deluxe was good.  I can't get the best idea of headroom or test with pedals and stuff like that, but from that little test it did seem quite loud.  But until I throw a band, including drums, on top of it, it's hard to tell...

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Why not a JTM45 or a 50W Plexi?

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TrueBlue,

Deluxe Reverb RI you played at GC is a great amp for price.  I mentioned buying new, mostly for the fact that you have a warranty, don't want to worry about issues with vintage amp might bring = tech visit = more money.  Also, GC probably has a 30-90 day return policy for in store credit.

You can bring a couple of pedals into GC they'll tag them at door and you can play with DR to check it out, but I think they'll take all pedals good, maybe not distorion pedals, which your style of music doesn't require.  Also, DR will allow you to crank it up more than some of the other amps models you mentioned, so you can get that great natural tube OD and use OD pedal more as a boost which is normally preferred method than simulating amp cranked.

20-watts of tube is loud when turned up, like 50-watts of solid state in volume comparison. Watch the neighbors come knocking...lol

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helrazr84 wrote:

SO WHERE DO YOU BUY THESE THINGS?  I DON'T SEE ANY INFO ONLINE? -S.

The videos I saw from an earlier thread about this amp were through www.destroyallguitars.com, but I don't see them on the site right now.  Might not be available yet?

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ZeyerGTR wrote:
helrazr84 wrote:

SO WHERE DO YOU BUY THESE THINGS?  I DON'T SEE ANY INFO ONLINE? -S.

The videos I saw from an earlier thread about this amp were through www.destroyallguitars.com, but I don't see them on the site right now.  Might not be available yet?

Yeah I checked there originally but nothing was on the site.  Nothing mentioned on Retro Wreck site either.  I really don't need one, but they do seem interesting.  Worth checking out at least. -S.

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Well, I was about 90% sure about the Deluxe Reverb---a lot less heavy, fits my needs better (at least for now), and more usable at home.  BUT, the more I look at prices, the more I become hesitant.  Brand new at typical Guitar Center/Musician's Friend prices, a Twin is $1399 and a Deluxe is $999---so a $400 difference.  But when I look around different shops and ebay, etc., the prices of a used Twin in good condition is around $700-750 and a Deluxe is around $650-700.  That's barely any difference.  My friend picked up a Twin at a local shop earlier this year for $750, and I just saw a great condition Twin go for $660, including the shipping, on ebay!  I've seen Deluxes sold for more!

Is there just a high demand for Deluxe Reverbs and low demand for Twins right now that is causing this little difference in price?  It just makes me feel like I might as well spend the extra $50-100 to have 63 more watts at my disposal, know what I mean?

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TrueBlueDrew wrote:

Well, I was about 90% sure about the Deluxe Reverb---a lot less heavy, fits my needs better (at least for now), and more usable at home.  BUT, the more I look at prices, the more I become hesitant.  Brand new at typical Guitar Center/Musician's Friend prices, a Twin is $1399 and a Deluxe is $999---so a $400 difference.  But when I look around different shops and ebay, etc., the prices of a used Twin in good condition is around $700-750 and a Deluxe is around $650-700.  That's barely any difference.  My friend picked up a Twin at a local shop earlier this year for $750, and I just saw a great condition Twin go for $660, including the shipping, on ebay!  I've seen Deluxes sold for more!

Is there just a high demand for Deluxe Reverbs and low demand for Twins right now that is causing this little difference in price?  It just makes me feel like I might as well spend the extra $50-100 to have 63 more watts at my disposal, know what I mean?

I like to buy new if I can.  But somethings are just TOO expensive new, so then I prefer used.  Even saving 200-300 buying used, in excellent condition, is good.  Then again, I still believe a hundred bucks is a lot of money..  I see a lot of these Fender combo amps for sale, used.  I don't doubt their popularity, but constantly seeing them on consignment, ebay, craigslist, makes me wonder if people are not happy with them?  I've always wanted one, and still plan to buy one someday.  I think since the abundance of "used" products is in your favor, I'd stick with pre owned, the Deluxe since it IS what fits your needs, and make your money go further.  -Seth

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TrueBlue:  Having 63 more watts at your disposal is not always a good thing.  A tube amp needs to be cranked to get the best tone and or natural OD, etc that makes you just want to smile.  If the majority of the time is being used in home and  bars, etc, the DR would be better and for larger gigs, you mic it.

Have you actually every cranked up the DR to at least 7?  If not, go unplug amp at GC and bring into their high-end room and shut the door crank it up and report back if you need 63-more watts in your back pocket, but maybe once in a blue moon.

Just saying...I never new how loud my Fender Blues Jr. Tweed (15-watts) really got until one day turing it up to about 7 at local bar and WOW...loud and amp hit it's sweet spot, never knew it could sound that good coupled with just a OD pedal.

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I think you see a lot of Twins and Super reverbs for sale because the new craze is smaller, lighter, low wattage amp and both those amps are HEAVY and LOUD. Thats not to say they are not great amps because they are but you don't really need 110 watts of power to play an average sized club. But if I found either of those amps at a good price say a late 60's early 70's silver face and I needed an amp I would pick one up while prices are down.

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t92780 wrote:

TrueBlue:  Having 63 more watts at your disposal is not always a good thing.  A tube amp needs to be cranked to get the best tone and or natural OD, etc that makes you just want to smile.  If the majority of the time is being used in home and  bars, etc, the DR would be better and for larger gigs, you mic it.

Have you actually every cranked up the DR to at least 7?  If not, go unplug amp at GC and bring into their high-end room and shut the door crank it up and report back if you need 63-more watts in your back pocket, but maybe once in a blue moon.

Right, I know I don't need that 63 extra watts, but I just thought it was interesting.  I suppose there are plenty more people like me who are best suited with the Deluxe than there are people actually being able to 'crank' a Twin.  So I guess it makes sense, but the seriously low prices for Twins still surprises me a little.

As far as the Guitar Center thing, I really don't even think the GC by me has a high-end room.  If it does, I certainly don't know about it...  But I'm plenty sure that the Deluxe has enough volume for me.  I probably like more headroom than most, but it should be enough.  And like mentioned previously, if it isn't enough, then I'll mic it.