Topic: Damn! Advice Please?

So in a sudden late night panic attack... I've been thinking that my choice of going to 6th form was a bad idea? I'm now thinking I could take my place I was offered at college instead  yikes
It's all well 'keeping my options open'... But I know deep down that I don't want to do a-level's and want to get a music Diploma instead  hmm  I know that it's more about needs than wants though, so I'm really unsure of what to do  neutral
The music diploma course is for more up my street, and I know I'll enjoy it more... But the a-levels will keep more doors open for me? Thing is,, I'd HATE 2 years of 'Classical music, media, physics and maths'   hmm  Dayum,,, I'm stuck in this situation huh  lol
To all my closests pals on here,, what should I do? What would JOE do?  roll

Cheers
Rus

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Re: Damn! Advice Please?

It would help if I knew what "6th form" is.  Stupid American speaking here.  tongue

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3 (edited by RickB 2010-08-20 23:22:37)

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Rus, I can only speak for myself. One can never have too much higher education. Your musical education so far has, for the most part,  been self taught I think. You've done well IMO. I've learned to never second guess my decisions. Make them and hold fast. You imply that music is a lesser choice and serious study is tough. You have studied hard and been successful. Why take the easy road now? The music avenue will always be there.  Best of luck either way.
Rick

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Take the advise of the people who brought you into this world, ... then after, you can do what you wish!  smile
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Re: Damn! Advice Please?

Education is always a good thing. If it wasn't for what I'm currently doing now, I would totally be in grad school. There's always the option to go back too.

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Take it from an old guy, stay in school when you're young, it's much harder to go back later in life. Been there, done that.

Roy

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7 (edited by RickB 2010-08-21 14:41:46)

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For those of us outside the UK, there is a difference in secondary education. 6th form is the equivalent of our junior and senior years in high school. (Education is only compulsory in the UK until age 16.) The two years of extra study are for preparation to take advanced exams  for entry to university. Check Wiki for the precise explanation. College here and there have different meanings as to level of education required for admission. College there is more like a vocational school. The votes for college by US members assume it is equivalent to a 4 year university here.  (correct me if I have it wrong)
Rick

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8 (edited by Rocket 2010-08-21 18:54:03)

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I would disagree with all and be the devil's advocate and say do what you WANT, not what seems right, not what you are "told" to do, not out of respect for someone giving advice, not to please someone else.

You've got to do what you want to do.
You've got to say (in whatever way you wish) what you want to say.

Art is all about that. Education, while not a waste of time for all, is for many, and really, all they are doing is not what they want but a compromise... Many "decide" (or is decided for them) what they "want to be" and base college courses around that only to be overwhelmed at what it may actually take, make terrible grades and have to rethink anyway about what they REALLY want and CAN DO.  Or their life could fall completely apart.  Yes, compromises are certainly a daily part of life, but... Separation of what is allowable and what is off limits is a very, very personal choice in so many ways.

As I already said:
You've got to do what you want to do.
You've got to say (in whatever way yo wish) what you want to say.

A life with no regrets or pains is not where the blues brews up...Perhaps not able to measure what has been at the extremes of lows and highs for one over their lifespan.   Talk (better yet , listen) to very old persons.  It all plays out.

Your turn to rock, Russ, hitting you in the face and guts...Choose! Love to you.

Rock ON & Keep the Faith,
Rocket

P.S.-I was not referring to "learning",  that should never cease

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9 (edited by RickB 2010-08-21 19:21:33)

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After further consideration, since you are still a minor, parents' choice takes precedence. If that is against your wishes, well, that is a source of blues too.  smile
Rick

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10 (edited by Rocket 2010-08-21 19:38:59)

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RickB wrote:

After further consideration, since you are still a minor, parents' choice takes precedence. If that is against your wishes, well, that is a source of blues too.  smile
Rick

Are you still a minor in England at 16? If so, it is the age of consent-do you need parents consent for that too? NO?! You can join a trade union too, but you have to ask to join the military?

One can have deep love and respect for parents and still ignore somethings emanating from their mouths and spirits...

Do what you want. 

Again, devil's advocate...

Rock On

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Joe would say stay in school. smile I have heard him tell young players that. He loves what he does don't get me wrong but he is a one in 100 million exception to the rule of excelling at one the toughest business there is.

Don't pursue music if you aren't passionate and willing to take a vow of poverty to practice your craft and live the life of a musician. So few actually earn a living at it. You have to be 100% committed to it which is the recipe for success in all career choices. You can however have a career and still enjoy music as a hobby.

I would say study business in school and study music on your own. If you have a career in music having business knowledge will help you succeed financially. Joe didn't study music in school. He did pay attention to the music business as it unfolded around him.

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jim m wrote:

Joe would say stay in school. smile I have heard him tell young players that. He loves what he does don't get me wrong but he is a one in 100 million exception to the rule of excelling at one the toughest business there is.

Don't pursue music if you aren't passionate and willing to take a vow of poverty to practice your craft and live the life of a musician. So few actually earn a living at it. You have to be 100% committed to it which is the recipe for success in all career choices. You can however have a career and still enjoy music as a hobby.

I would say study business in school and study music on your own. If you have a career in music having business knowledge will help you succeed financially. Joe didn't study music in school. He did pay attention to the music business as it unfolded around him.


Yes. Jim is absolutely right. If you study business in school, with your musical talent you suddenly become very dangerous, especially in today's music business when you can make a living without the major label's help.

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13 (edited by Rocket 2010-08-21 22:10:52)

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Once more the devil's advocate...

Joe has also said to aspiring youth, "Be yourself.........".  IF being in a boring school room (or online class these days) learning accounting "isn't me", why waste time, effort, and chance for an immediately different approach???  Maybe that means saying to anyone / anything in your way to your achievement of any G-O-A-L (s), step aside, I am coming right on through.  No vow of poverty is needed, if frugality is more palatable try that always instead.  There is a difference.  As there is also ALWAYS a difference between wants and needs.  SO much of one's life can be determined by others.  There is never any escaping that.  Prisoners with long sentences know exactly how that works.  They also plot what it takes to either gain their freedom or maintain it (whether fully legal or fully illegal or blurred distinctions) once they are finally released.  Any doubts are best left to doubters...

By the way, I am not anywhere near in total disagreement with the stay in school parties Russ, as your poll only has differing choices of staying in school, with no quit school and rock out option.  That is why I offered all this other material up, and because sometimes looking for the light at the end of the tunnel involves knowing which way IS the light and which way is not (for you and each of us personally).

In closing, in the US of A , finishing high school is considered to be what everyone SHOULD do, and is pretty good advice.  Without tabbing a vote above, I would suggest the equivalent of that for you is 6th form, although I do not know how that effects one's post 6th form job or schooling "market". Peace! And much love.

Rock On & Keep the Faith,
Rocket

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“Now, this isn’t your ordinary party crowd, here.  I mean, there are professionals in here.”

14 (edited by RickB 2010-08-21 23:12:27)

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Last word from the far west. The real question is do you want to take the easy road and do your rock scene since you have some money in your pocket from the recording contract, or are you a scholar with ambitions of university and a career? The party life or the grind? Your call. A tough one at your age.
Rick

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Rocket wrote:

Once more the devil's advocate...

Joe has also said to aspiring youth, "Be yourself.........".  IF being in a boring school room (or online class these days) learning accounting "isn't me", why waste time, effort, and chance for an immediately different approach???  Maybe that means saying to anyone / anything in your way to your achievement of any G-O-A-L (s), step aside, I am coming right on through.  No vow of poverty is needed, if frugality is more palatable try that always instead.  There is a difference.  As there is also ALWAYS a difference between wants and needs.  SO much of one's life can be determined by others.  There is never any escaping that.  Prisoners with long sentences know exactly how that works.  They also plot what it takes to either gain their freedom or maintain it (whether fully legal or fully illegal or blurred distinctions) once they are finally released.  Any doubts are best left to doubters...

By the way, I am not anywhere near in total disagreement with the stay in school parties Russ, as your poll only has differing choices of staying in school, with no quit school and rock out option.  That is why I offered all this other material up, and because sometimes looking for the light at the end of the tunnel involves knowing which way IS the light and which way is not (for you and each of us personally).

In closing, in the US of A , finishing high school is considered to be what everyone SHOULD do, and is pretty good advice.  Without tabbing a vote above, I would suggest the equivalent of that for you is 6th form, although I do not know how that effects one's post 6th form job or schooling "market". Peace! And much love.

Rock On & Keep the Faith,
Rocket

No need for accounting. Leave that for the bean counters. You only have to count it if you make it. To make it you got to market it. Marketing is what a musician needs. Before you can hire it out you have to do it yourself for awhile. Like Deezer said in today's music industry it is do it yourself. A record deal can be a curse instead of a blessing.

Joe has been writing the book on how to succeed in todays music business. He has talent but more than anything he had a vision. He has been social marketing and tribe building for the past 10 years and he never read any books by Seth Godin or Malcom Gadwell the new marketing guru's that preach marketing in a new way. Most successful business men have instincts but it helps to be exposed to ideas.

Life is about learning. If all you learn is scales and modes then all you can do is play from charts  playing from the heart is best but controlling your career might take a bit of planning and knowledge other than formal music lessons.

Joe missed out on a lot although most people would trade his early career experiences for their High School Prom. Stay in school at least till age 18. There is no need in growing up to fast.

16 (edited by Rocket 2010-08-22 00:55:18)

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Ah I love feeding you Jim! I was waiting to get around to marketing.  That's why I enclosed it in quotations above as "market".
I was reading recently that the RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America) is in cohoots with the NAB (National Association of Broadcasters) trying to lobby Congress to get all new cell phones to MANDATORILY include FM receivers.  What does that tell you?  Radio and recording companies cannot market their old graft infused way and have and still are losing their "share" (ha ha) of the music markets. Sink or swim, they are sinking and they want to force their way on everyone.  That is NOT capitalism....if your business model is dying than innovate!!! Which takes me to the Education "Field of Schemes".  Public education serves a basic purpose.  That basic purpose was wasting a lot of my time.  I said ME, not to imply it wasted everyone's.  My Dad was a school teacher, so I could've got by on the **## my Dad says cuz he got it from the **## HIS Dad said, who was only an 8th grade dropout.  I use dropout because he had to work the farm in upstate New York-as far away from the hustle & bustle of New York City life as you can get.  He went off on his own early and made it.  He was purty darn smart.  Get this through your minds: Colleges are businesses as much as anything else.  Their bottom line is make money, the only thing different is what the end product is.  One only need look at all the myriad trade schools and online schools to see that even education must be changing.  One must wonder if a music school is worth it or ANY school worth it anymore.  A lot of learning is available for free and things are wide open. SO the devil's advocate sez sing this soul to soul for yourself:

People walkin' around everyday
Playin' games and takin' scores
Tryin' to make other people lose their minds
Well be careful you don't lose yours

Oh think (think)
Think about what you're tryin' to do to me
Woo-hoo think (think)
Let your mind go let yourself be free

We all Market Ourselves (for better or worse)
Rock On & Keep the Learned Faith,
Rocket

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So, the overwhelming advice looks like .... stay in school  smile
~ Brack ~

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Please don't make your decision based on a poll from here. Go see a good careers advisor and talk to people at each institution (they will have student support). Also take with students from each place.