Topic: Greece

I sure hope these folks get their S*** together.

I'm losing money faster that I can count.

2 (edited by RickB 2010-05-07 01:05:52)

Re: Greece

This is what happens when a government is promising more than it can deliver to the citizens.
Rick
BTW, you and I and the USA are on the hook for 22% of the Greek bailout. Our share of the IMF.

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Re: Greece

RickB wrote:

This is what happens when a government is promising more than it can deliver to the citizens.
Rick
BTW, you and I and the USA are on the hook for 22% of the Greek bailout. Our share of the IMF.


And the people are rioting becasue they can't retire at age 50???  30% of the population works for the Gov't??? 

I know this isn't supposed to be a political forum and I really try to restrain myself but this is insane.

The country is broke and the people are out in the streets rioting about budget cuts.

Who the Hell do they think is going to pay for it?

The problem with Socilaism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

Greece is there today and California is next in line

Whew - Now I've got it out of my system and I feel so much better for doing so.

Flame away if you must.

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Here's a flame. AMEN BROTHER!
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One of the best lines of any speech I've heard came from John F. Kennedy. "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country". Unfortunately, there are just too many people who feel that the world owes them a living, and they elect the idiots who are ruining this country. Economic strength is the lifeblood of our nation, and we're bleeding to death. Trust me, once our economy goes down the tubes, no one else will step up to bail us out. It'll get worse before it gets better. End of rant.

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Re: Greece

Estimated national debt 2010 in % of GDP (Gross Domestic Product):

Germany 77%
UK 80%
Euro zone 84%
USA 94%
Greece 125%
Japan 198%

Something wrong, not only in Greece.
Günter

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Yeah, and we can say goodbye to that IMF loan. They will never be able to repay this bailout loan. There could be a domino effect as well....Spain could be next!

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Belgium's in the line too. And we don't even have a government... At least they can't create stupid new laws neutral

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Rockfarmer wrote:

I sure hope these folks get their S*** together.

I'm losing money faster that I can count.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8666545.stm

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Guenter wrote:

Estimated national debt 2010 in % of GDP (Gross Domestic Product):

Germany 77%
UK 80%
Euro zone 84%
USA 94%
Greece 125%
Japan 198%

Something wrong, not only in Greece.
Günter

Günter is right.  Greece is in the eye of the storm now, but they are just further down the road we all are traveling.  Unless we start living within our means, we all will face similar problems in the future.  Reminds me of the movie Unforgiven.  The kid says, well I guess he had it coming.  And Clint says, kid we all got it coming.

11 (edited by Brack 2010-05-07 18:51:03)

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the dude wrote:
Guenter wrote:

Estimated national debt 2010 in % of GDP (Gross Domestic Product):

Germany 77%
UK 80%
Euro zone 84%
USA 94%
Greece 125%
Japan 198%

Something wrong, not only in Greece.
Günter

Günter is right.  Greece is in the eye of the storm now, but they are just further down the road we all are traveling.  Unless we start living within our means, we all will face similar problems in the future.  Reminds me of the movie Unforgiven.  The kid says, well I guess he had it coming.  And Clint says, kid we all got it coming.

I know what you're saying ..... but this is the real world, with  the cold hard facts of life.... not, just a scene in a western movie! IMO smile

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the dude wrote:
Guenter wrote:

Estimated national debt 2010 in % of GDP (Gross Domestic Product):

Germany 77%
UK 80%
Euro zone 84%
USA 94%
Greece 125%
Japan 198%

Something wrong, not only in Greece.
Günter

Günter is right.  Greece is in the eye of the storm now, but they are just further down the road we all are traveling.  Unless we start living within our means, we all will face similar problems in the future.  Reminds me of the movie Unforgiven.  The kid says, well I guess he had it coming.  And Clint says, kid we all got it coming.


Dude - you are correct.

I apologize in advance for the random rambling rants that I'm about the spew.

Individuals may have some intellegence but the huddled masses, in general are not intellegent.  Political leaders promise the masses something for nothing and get elected.  Sadly, the elected leaders then deliver that something for nothing and we end up in the situation we're in.

The USA is headed down that path for sure and Obamacare is just the tip of the iceberg.

What good is reform if it isn't suatainable.

California is so close to the edge we are beginning to tip over, yet more government rules, regulations and taxes are on the horizen.

CA AB 32 green house gas rule is projected, by an independant consultant, to cost CA another 1,000,000 job losses yet this misguided state gov't plods ahead on political ideology.  Another 1,000,000 folks on the government doles.  Another 1,000,000 families who don't have a job to pay for healthcare for their family, so they get it "free" from the Government, and the debt climbs.

Capitalism actually works and profit isn't a 4 letter word.

Stimulate businesses, which create jobs, which increases the tax base, decreases the folks on the government hand out and life gets better.

Yes, we need to do this responsibly, but if our economy's collapse, we all end up in anarchy, much like our friends in Greece are boardering on.


Maybe everyone should learn Manderin.  Seems like the folks in China are going to be the only ones manufacturing anything before too long.


I get angrier about this entire situation by the day.


So long for now... I have to go produce products to sell and employ folks who pay taxes so I can help bail out the world.

- Michael

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Well, I might as well add my 2 cents before this thread gets locked, which it will. I am not an Economist, so I can't explain the financial woes of the World. I can say Nations and people have all been living on credit for too long. But, isn't that the nature of finance. NO bank has the capital on hand that it shows on the books.
  MY gripe is with those that continue to blame all problems on our current President. Do you think we just woke up this far in debt on election day? Why weren't you screaming when GW gave a tax break to the top 1%? (Which cost more than the projected cost of health care reform). Please don't give me the "trickle down" speech. This was Reagan's idea, and it didn't work. Deregulation led to the greed! That, in turn, led to our "melt-down".  I have no problem with companies making profit. BUT, I expect my government to protect me from their greed via regulations. Thus the difference between the right and the left.

As for Greece..I just hope Joe can go back to record as planned.

Go ahead Jim..slam on the cuffs smile        Cathy, the left

14 (edited by Rockfarmer 2010-05-07 18:40:14)

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cathysiler wrote:

Well, I might as well add my 2 cents before this thread gets locked, which it will. I am not an Economist, so I can't explain the financial woes of the World. I can say Nations and people have all been living on credit for too long. But, isn't that the nature of finance. NO bank has the capital on hand that it shows on the books.
  MY gripe is with those that continue to blame all problems on our current President. Do you think we just woke up this far in debt on election day? Why weren't you screaming when GW gave a tax break to the top 1%? (Which cost more than the projected cost of health care reform). Please don't give me the "trickle down" speech. This was Reagan's idea, and it didn't work. Deregulation led to the greed! That, in turn, led to our "melt-down".  I have no problem with companies making profit. BUT, I expect my government to protect me from their greed via regulations. Thus the difference between the right and the left.

As for Greece..I just hope Joe can go back to record as planned.

Go ahead Jim..slam on the cuffs smile        Cathy, the left


For the record, I was no fan of GW, he single handedly caused Obama to get elected with his ignorance and stupidity.
This situation has been building for a generation or 2 and I have a general disregard for almost every politician of any party so this is not an ideological argument.  Both sides pander to their extrmist base and we, the working people, end up paying for it.
Reagans's ideas did work and if you stimulate busines, it creates jobs, which create tax payers instead of tax takers
Argue all you want, but business are over regulated and over taxed.  That hurts jobs, which hurts the economy, which hurts our, or anyone elses, country.

- Michael - the realist employer.

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This is why political topics are banned here. I obviously disagree with you, but 10 pages of postings won't change either of our opinions. I do think Campaign Finance Reform would have helped. As it stands, politicians spend most of their time raising money for re-election, which includes making promises that aren't geared towards bettering our lives.
Thus I return to the beauty of Joe fans. We come from varying opinions on many things, but, we all agree about him. Peace to all, C

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Profit isn't a dirty word.... but too much profit is obscene!  You can quote me on that one!  smile
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Here's another 2 cents. The top income folk create jobs in business. Private sector jobs pay for public servants. Public employees do not generate national income, they only consume it. In reality, the wealthiest individuals flee high taxed areas to where they can generate the most return on their investment. Remember the "luxury tax" on yachts? All construction and registration of large yachts owned by that 2% immediatly moved offshore, resulting in the collapse of the job market here in the US that provided support and new construction. The windfall taxes the politicians anticipated by "punishing" the rich evaporated. The law was quietly rescinded a few years later but not before the damage was done. Those jobs are gone forever now, they have moved offshore.
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Brack wrote:

Profit isn't a dirty word.... but too much profit is obscene!  You can quote me on that one!  smile
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Therin lies one of the problems.  What's the definition of too much profit. 

We all need to "pay our fair share in taxes"...What's that mean.  Is that 30% of my gross wages?  40%, 50%, 80%.?

I for one, don't have an issue with insane profits. Rather, I find out who those companies are and buy their stock as opposed to beating them down.

Wealthy companies expand their businesses...Rich people buy expensive things... and lots of them.  they take expensive vacations, they have high maintenance lives, all of which which stimulate demand, which stimulates jobs, which provide taxes.