Topic: new body?

I have this problem with a strat I built.

The acoustic sound (when not plugged in) is very thin and tinny. Plugged in, it sounds "fine" but many times I play it is not plugged in. My thoughts always were a good sounding guitar must sound good when not plugged in for it to sound good when it is plugged in.

One thing about the body of the guitar is that is SUPER heavy for a strat. Northern ash and solid. Much heavier than my LesPaul. The body was given to me by a luthier in Wisconsin who decided it would be too heavy of a guitar to sell. I had to do a lot of woodworking to get it to where I could a guitar together around it.

The neck is a Mighty-mite neck with awesome fender tuners (very tight and responsive) with a synthetic stewmac bone nut. The tremolo has the "big steel" block and the pickups are Alnico II's from Guitarfetish.

Is the problem the body? should I replace it with a new/different body?

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- Nic from Detroit... posting on JB's Forum since 6-2-2006
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Re: new body?

Could well be the body. Alder tends to be pretty resonant so maybe changing to that would do good.
Tend to want a loud acoustic sound. I have your same rule of thumb I guess...good acoustic means good electric, will just take changing some electronics to get it there.

Maybe changing some hardware will do the trick.
A steel trem block would be a good option if you havn't got it already.

I just changed the bridge on my les paul to a faber abr with steel studs. Volume increased, string clarity increased and now I get twice the lifespan out of my strings (at least anyway, they're still going strong a few weeks in, used to be every week I'd change them)

Re: new body?

Have you considered doing a universal cut on the body to basically reduce weight and maybe make it more acoustic?  90's american strats have them and I believe it takes away from sustain but increases volume if that makes sense.  Maybe even take it one step further and drill weight relief pockets under the pickguard.  My American Stratocaster has a problem with that too, but doesn't have a big steel block or the universal cut.  Plugged in its what I demand out of any guitar all bussiness and nice and quite... GFS 60's overwound pickups.  Warren Haynes said the same thing when he is shopping for a guitar that electronics are replaceable but if your guitar doesn't sound good unplugged you'll never be happy with it.  I believe it because my Baja Telecaster I just bought came in and the first thing I did with it was play it for an hour unplugged to decide if it sounded good.  It had a return policy on it so you better believe I would have shipped it back to where it came from if it didn't ring like I wanted.  Oh one other thing, do you have the  bridge floating or hard mounted to the body?  Strats are bad for loosing tone due to the floating bridge, and before you go drilling on your guitar or swapping bodies I would try that first.  Either tighten the springs all the way, or get a 1 inch block of wood and wedge in behind the tremelo block like clapton does.  It makes a huge difference in string transmission to the body and sustains a lot more like a hard tail.

Re: new body?

AD3THREE wrote:

Have you considered doing a universal cut on the body to basically reduce weight and maybe make it more acoustic? Oh one other thing, do you have the  bridge floating or hard mounted to the body?  Strats are bad for loosing tone due to the floating bridge, and before you go drilling on your guitar or swapping bodies I would try that first.  Either tighten the springs all the way, or get a 1 inch block of wood and wedge in behind the tremelo block like clapton does.  It makes a huge difference in string transmission to the body and sustains a lot more like a hard tail.

When you say universal cut, that means route the body for HHH instead of SSS, right? I call that the swimming pool route. smile
I guess I could try that. As far as springs, I have 5 springs on there... all as tight as possible. I never use tremolo... so yeah I wanted it to behave like a hardtail. The big steel block trem doesn't have a lot of air in between it, but I'm big into jamming wedges in there either. While the sustain isn't bad, it's just the tinny sound.

Plus as a Les Paul guy, the weight doesn't bother me either.

- Nic from Detroit... posting on JB's Forum since 6-2-2006
Ask me about my handwound Great Lakes Guitar Pickups
Since 2010, Bonamassa fans have taken advantage of my JB friend discount = my cost + shipping. cool

Re: new body?

yeah the swimming pool trick.  It might be worth a try, sounds like your already doing everything else I thought of.

Re: new body?

I'd suggest a 6pin bridge/brass or bone nut.
Do you know if the ash body is one piece,or two piece?

NPB_EST.1979 wrote:

I have this problem with a strat I built.

The acoustic sound (when not plugged in) is very thin and tinny. Plugged in, it sounds "fine" but many times I play it is not plugged in. My thoughts always were a good sounding guitar must sound good when not plugged in for it to sound good when it is plugged in.

One thing about the body of the guitar is that is SUPER heavy for a strat. Northern ash and solid. Much heavier than my LesPaul. The body was given to me by a luthier in Wisconsin who decided it would be too heavy of a guitar to sell. I had to do a lot of woodworking to get it to where I could a guitar together around it.

The neck is a Mighty-mite neck with awesome fender tuners (very tight and responsive) with a synthetic stewmac bone nut. The tremolo has the "big steel" block and the pickups are Alnico II's from Guitarfetish.

Is the problem the body? should I replace it with a new/different body?

Photo here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24077525@N06/4534992930/

Fender strat '62 custom shop relic/AgostinCustom CL-111-KR/
'69 Marshall 50watt Jmp 1987 smallbox/Marshall 6100.
king of tone OD/BossDS1/line6 dl4/Foxrox Aquavibe/chicago iron octavia/70's Vox Wah/Boss rt20/holy grail reverb/Mogami

Re: new body?

If you really want to change the body,get yourself a one piece alder.

Fender strat '62 custom shop relic/AgostinCustom CL-111-KR/
'69 Marshall 50watt Jmp 1987 smallbox/Marshall 6100.
king of tone OD/BossDS1/line6 dl4/Foxrox Aquavibe/chicago iron octavia/70's Vox Wah/Boss rt20/holy grail reverb/Mogami