Ceriatone OTS HRM settings? (Page 1 of 2)

Thanks!
OK, so preferably no "normal" effects in the loop on this one?
How does the Dumbleator work? Nik's pages doesn't really tell much about either function nor size...

I play mostly at home and getting the powertubes to work properly is allways difficult.
I'll start with your settings and experiment from there.

Since I have a PPIMV in my 2550 I might also consider using the UA Attenuator on the OTS instead, and also run reverb and delay through the 2550, with a patch cable (and later on a Dumbleator maybe) in the fx loop of the OTS.

The preamp boost knobs in the back are only important if you don't use the provided footswitch.  They do nothing if you have the footswitch engaged and the "manual" switch off.  As far as effects go, I find that I like the Marshall almost 100% dry except for the delay.  I tend to prefer the reverb/chorus in the loop of the HRM.  What a Dumbleator does is helps strengthen the signal so that the impedances of the loop/pedals/rack effects/whatever work properly.  It's always boggled my mind that one of the greatest amp designers ever couldn't even design a good effects loop!  I still recommend using either the Kleinulator (if you already have a reverb pedal) or Fuchs Verbrator if you want it all in a nice neat package.  Cool thing about the Dumbleator type devices are that you can lower the overall output of the amp and drive the amp harder for a natural sounding overdrive/compression.  People claim that they sweeten the amps up more and make the effects used sound a lot better.  Hope this helps!

Since i play a 2550/HRM100 rig too I may suggest my settings?
I find them well balanced and it comes very close to Joes sounds
though it doesn't have those clean and complex mids.
But still impressing.

2550:
drive channel
presence: 4
bass: 11 (11 is full up, no 10 like on Marhsalls)
mids: 8
treble: 4
output master 4 (the louder the better
lead master: 5
input gain: 5

HRM 100:
preamp boost on
rear gain trimmer: 11 o'clock
high input
deep switch: off
mid boost: on
rock/jazz: rock
volume: 7
treble: 2
middle: 7
bass: 4
drive: 4
level: 3 (same here, the louder the rock)
presence: 3

Another word to the dumbleator.
I have the Fuchs verbrator and the reverb itself sounds just amazing.
But the dumbleator thing either doesn't work for me or i'm to silly to use it properly.
If I put chorus and delay in the loop of the verbrator then the delay becomes so quiet.
If I roll the level dial of the delay pedal full up then its ok but still sounds blurry.
If I raise the output level of the fx control of the verbrator then it starts to hiss
because the output signal gets slightly boosted. Especially if you use the push/pull pot.
I tried various settings but I found the delay most natural sounding if you use the regular
fx loop of the HRM. Maybe I need more time to tweak, but thats always an issue...
I also have a Kleinulator but still hadn't the time to test properly.

Alex

It sounds like you are in the parallel mode.  Did you try series yet?  I think they have a switch for that on there somewhere.  I'm not to familiar with the Verberator, but I have a Fuchs ODS.  I think they took the loop circuit out of that amp and put it in a box.  Those tube buffered loops are tricky.  It took me forever to figure out how to use the loop to my advantage on my Fuchs.

Ben

+ 1 on ading a D-Lator to your amp, I have a standard OT Ceriatone and use a Kleinulator with a T-rex Replica in the loop and the sound is great.  I agree with looking into the Fuchs Verbrator to kill to birds with one stone if you like Reverb.  Also, Fuchs Verbrator will provide a little more punch/OD IMO then the Kleinulator - Kleinualtor smoothens the sound more.  Enjoy your amp and fun finding your tone.

Ben, you really could have a point here.
What a pain that the verbrator is on my pedalboard in rehearsalroom now.

In the manual it says

"When the pedal is used in parallel (normal) mode, the send and return controls are used to
adjust that the input to the first pedal is not overloaded, and the return level may be
adjusted for how much effect you desire. When the pedal is in series mode, the return
control will set overall level of the system, and the Verbrator should be adjusted so the
level of the amplifier (your system level) is approximately the same as when the unit is
not used. The intent of a properly functioning effects loop is to insure proper level and
impedance matching from the amplifier to and from the effects loop. While the unit can
add gain when required, it is usually not recommended as it increases the chances of
extraneous noise." 

There is also a drawing in the manual which shows a
parallel/series switch which seems to be inside. . Have a look.
http://www.fuchsaudiotechnology.com/man … Manual.pdf
This is maybe the solution of that issue.

I will try this right after the christmas days.
Thanks bro for bringing me to that.

Alex

Of course I'll post it here if I found the holy grail.
Thanks again.

Vim, I found the OTS sound very well even on bedroom level.
The drive section works even that good that here imho theres no attenuator needed.
Probably an attenuator here is no improvement?

So you find it good working with an attenuator on the 2550?
Is it a big difference compared to using the master volume?
I still have some of these attenuators and though i'm happy
with the MV I might give it a try.

Alex

So am I to understand you all have to put these together yourselves? If that is the case.. The fuzzy and bright thing might not go away.. Amps are built using solder techniques and wire positioning.   I also caution anybody working on their own stuff.. You can really hurt yourself doing that.  Before working on a amp it has to be drained of electrons especially in the capacitors.. There are leathal voltages and amperages ( the real killer) lurking in them.  Dont mean to sound like a negative nellly but I genuinely dont want to see anybody hurt here. Be careful and have fun mostly and give a qualified tech a crack if you are stumped.  best 80 bucks you ever spent!!
Joe B