1 (edited by brandonherges 2009-12-20 09:51:04)

Topic: Question For The Guitarists Here!

Hey guys. I'm new to the forum, obviously. I'm not going to go into a real long story of my history, but I've been playing guitar for about 6 years, enough to have fair knowledge, but not enough to master wink I consider myself pretty good if I know a song inside and out, and I can improvise over the minor pentatonic scale pretty fairly, but that's about it. I just feel like I'm in a sort of rut, where I just sit and play the same old songs over and over again, and improvise in the minor pentatonic scale. (My mom got sick of Voodoo Child Slight Return, I played it so much tongue) So, I'm looking for some tips, if you guys wouldn't mind sharing!

Question One: I just can't get myself to actually learn a song fully. I want to learn Little Wing (Made a promise to a girl I would learn a beautiful song for her tongue), but I just sit there and play the intro and get frustrated with myself because I can't AUTOMATICALLY figure out how to do the rest from the tab. If I can see a video breaking down a song or be taught in person by somebody, I can steamroll through ANYTHING you throw at me, but this tab online just doesn't convey the timing of the songs at all. So, does anybody have any suggestions to get past this, or even ideas for somehow reformatting this tab to where I can easily see the timing? (I'm thinking maybe listen to the song and spend a TON of time doing the whole notation for rhythm thing, might take forever though)

Question two: I'm stuck with just playing 6-String Barchords, playing the minor pentatonic randomly over that, then moving to another chord in the Minor key I'm working in as far as improvising and such goes. Does anybody have some good tips for getting past this? I'd LOVE to get down to writing some strong music, but I just can't with what I'm doing right now. I'm going to further my knowledge of music theory, but some pointers would be GREATLY appreciated!

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Re: Question For The Guitarists Here!

I haven't been playing for as long as you, but I've been in this situation many times. When I get into ruts like that I usually set the guitar down for a few days and when inspiration strikes i pick it back up and I seem to play better than ever. For me, stepping back for a while lets the mind breathe a bit. Also, in my opinion, going to music theory is only going to make you more frustrated.

Some other things
- use your fingers instead of a pick, for a while... it's completely different and can lead to some cool stuff
- try playing a different genre or style... even if it doesn't stick some new things will make sense and translate into the normal stuff you play
- if you're used to overdriven tone (it sounds like you are tongue) try doing some stuff with a clean tone for a while. I did this recently and it helped me learn some really cool jazzy licks that I like to use now, and has helped me become more versatile. When I solo now I use different volumes and switch up the tone controls which is very helpful and makes you sound more in control. Playing with a really clean tone at a somewhat low volume (  if your neighbors don't get mad it's not loud enough lol lol ) can really bring out a different aspect to your playing.

I hope I could help and it didn't sound like too much BS

-Eric


Hope I could help

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Re: Question For The Guitarists Here!

Post this in http://www.jbonamassa.com/forum/viewforum.php?id=9, you'll get more help than you can imagine... Don't worry everyone is friendly and can really be helpful, pretty much of more or less one mind, although not always in total agreement.

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Re: Question For The Guitarists Here!

Thanks for all the help!
JBSRV: I definitely play a lot with clean tone. I tend to use this more actually. With strong drive though, it's less forgiving and helps me hear more mistakes, so I tend to use that once I've gotten a song down pretty well if it's even needed (Too much of a perfectionist to have all that when learning tongue) Also, I do switch up my tone controls and pickup selector a lot to get the right tone for the situation. I love playing with tone really low on the neck pickup, then jumping straight into my bridge pickup with tone up all the way to get that really strong piercing transition. tongue

Rocket: Thanks, I'll probably go post a few questions over there

Thanks for the quick replies, greatly appreciated!

Guitars - Cheapo "Jay Turser"
A beautiful Blue guitar made by "Agile"
2009 Fender American Standard Stratocaster - Olympic White, Maple Wood Fretboard
1994 Blue Gibson Les Paul Studio Lite, Black-Chrome Hardware

5 (edited by Rocket 2009-12-21 01:44:25)

Re: Question For The Guitarists Here!

brandonherges wrote:

Thanks for all the help!
JBSRV: I definitely play a lot with clean tone. I tend to use this more actually. With strong drive though, it's less forgiving and helps me hear more mistakes, so I tend to use that once I've gotten a song down pretty well if it's even needed (Too much of a perfectionist to have all that when learning tongue) Also, I do switch up my tone controls and pickup selector a lot to get the right tone for the situation. I love playing with tone really low on the neck pickup, then jumping straight into my bridge pickup with tone up all the way to get that really strong piercing transition. tongue

Rocket: Thanks, I'll probably go post a few questions over there

Thanks for the quick replies, greatly appreciated!

You won't be content with just a few.  The place is becoming the best free advice place around, and did I say FRIENDLY?! Not ego tsk-tsk-icky!  You'll love it and above all don't be shy smile

Rock On & Keep the Faith,
Rocket

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Re: Question For The Guitarists Here!

Jeez, it's almost scary how nice and open you guys are. tongue It's a joy being here, I've got a feeling I'm going to spend a lot of time on this forum. wink

Guitars - Cheapo "Jay Turser"
A beautiful Blue guitar made by "Agile"
2009 Fender American Standard Stratocaster - Olympic White, Maple Wood Fretboard
1994 Blue Gibson Les Paul Studio Lite, Black-Chrome Hardware

Re: Question For The Guitarists Here!

Well we can't let that go on too long... resident curmudgeon here neutral Take lessons!

don't like guitarists or young people, unless thery're Bonamaniacs, of course. cool

Welcome!
BigJeff
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Re: Question For The Guitarists Here!

bigjeffjones wrote:

don't like guitarists or young people

He´s lying! He likes me.

Concerning your question - I do have the same problem with playing the riffs or licks of a song that are the most catchy and then forgetting to learn the rest of the song. In general that´s what you do when you just play on your own (and don´t sing), because accompanying rhythm patterns are not THAT interesting to play - as soon as you play with others, you better know how to do it though. wink So the best thing for that particular problem is probably - go and find someone you can play the songs with or play along with the records to get the timing correct - I think the old fashioned way of spending a "TON of time" listening and writing it down on your own is how you really learn it ... no big news, I know...

Go ahead and post the question on the gear section. There are people there who know what they´re talking about and some of them never leave the gear section ... wink

Eva

Re: Question For The Guitarists Here!

bigjeff: Lol, I guess you'll be ok with me, I'm turning into a Bonamanaic. tongue

Eva: That's definitely what things are shaping up to be looking like! Now to find some people to play with, or an open mic/jam.

Guitars - Cheapo "Jay Turser"
A beautiful Blue guitar made by "Agile"
2009 Fender American Standard Stratocaster - Olympic White, Maple Wood Fretboard
1994 Blue Gibson Les Paul Studio Lite, Black-Chrome Hardware

10 (edited by BluesMan 2009-12-21 21:03:38)

Re: Question For The Guitarists Here!

eva wrote:
bigjeffjones wrote:

don't like guitarists or young people

He´s lying! He likes me.

Eva

You're still considered "young" or, were you saying you're a guitarist? tongue

Roy

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brandonherges wrote:

bigjeff: Lol, I guess you'll be ok with me, I'm turning into a Bonamanaic. tongue

Eva: That's definitely what things are shaping up to be looking like! Now to find some people to play with, or an open mic/jam.

hmmm...St. Louis eh?  If you want a "Baptism by Fire" go to blues jams, open mics and the lot.  You may have to wait for some of it.  Might be alcohol or rough neighborhoods to consider.  I don't do alcohol but I don't care about the ghetto neighborhoods cause...well cause I just don't. 

Then sit with your big toe on the pause and repeat buttons and learn it off a CD.  If you are studious, close enough is not good enough...Rhythm is not that interesting to start with because you don't hear it by yourself, but it is infinitely more important IMO if you want to play music (with other players) and you wants the females to shake their hips. cool

And Eva Darling... yes you know it! wink un beso pa' ti.

MuchFunk
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