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Topic: Joe Bonamassa Palmer Interview

here is the full video where Joe explains the Palmer....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJXUIgBRElQ

When he says that he runs it to the front, does he mean the speakers that face him so he can hear whats going on? Sorry, I've never played live so i dont know what all this means ha


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Re: Joe Bonamassa Palmer Interview

I'm still a little confused on what the Palmer Speaker Simulator really does... If it's a speaker cabinet emulator what is the point of still lugging 2 oversized 4x12" cabs loaded with EV12L's?  I personally would love the idea of using the speaker simulator if it allows you to simply run the 4 heads straight into the PA for great tone.  I hate having to move big back-breaking 4x12 cabs.  I would love to make a rack that would house my 4 heads and also some simple rack effects/pedals with the Palmers and you could run all of that into the PA for a compact killer rig.  Anyone have any thoughts?

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Re: Joe Bonamassa Palmer Interview

That would be so awesome. But then in joes case, there would be a huge hole where his normal rig is on stage ha. I don't understand how mic'ing and stuff works when it comes to playing live, as I've never done it before. Something I'd definitely like to learn about though!

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Re: Joe Bonamassa Palmer Interview

The Palmer would make things a lot more convienient because it would go guitar--effects---amp---palmer---PA  instead of the traditional guitar---effects---amp---cabinet---mics---PA.  In Joe's interview he also says that it allows for his rig to be even more consistant.  So for a large rig you could easily spend over $400 on mics alone, not to mention the cabinets ($1200-1500 depending).  I just DREAD moving those cabinets man, especially after the ordeal of moving my gear into my new house.  I cannot imagine doing that on a weekly basis!  The Speaker Simulators are pricey at over $600 a pop though.  I would love it if Palmer came out with a dual or quad version of the classic Speaker Emulator so you don't have to buy 4 of the darn things!  I'm going to do my research...

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Re: Joe Bonamassa Palmer Interview

Not having a cabinet would mean you can't get feedback so easily. That's the big downside to this.

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Re: Joe Bonamassa Palmer Interview

Jimi_lp wrote:

Not having a cabinet would mean you can't get feedback so easily. That's the big downside to this.

I wonder if this is really the case being that Joe Satriani is a big Palmer PDI-03 fan.  His sound is heavily reliant on feedback...IDK if it does kill the feedback that would be a bummer.  Does any know how many I would need to run all 4 amps???  I'm guessing 4 but it only seemed like Joe was using one in that video???  I am REALLY not looking forward to having to spend $2500 bucks just to get rid of the heavy cabs. sad

I just think it would be wicked cool to waltz into a gig with the amps and have the soundguy ask where my cabs/mics were...I'm also thinking a compact rack to house the heads, another for the Speaker Sims/power conditioner/power supply, and a small pedalboard (tuner, wah, screamer, trem, delay, amp selector) would be a VERY awesome and mildly practical setup!  Beats the heck out of the guys who bring a Marshall JCM800 fullstack to every gig!

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Re: Joe Bonamassa Palmer Interview

It's just another tone shaping tool.  EV's have no break up so those cabs are basically like a PA cab in themselves - what goes in comes out, also give consideration to the cab being used for some sound shaping as well.  He also says it cures some technical issues he has, which is going to give it a better sound for the audience and everyone on stage.  Lastly, it's Joe B and he just making the sickest guitar rig ever ever sicker.  I might have to go to six heads just for Shtz and Gigz lol .

Dude you would spend more money in rack eqipment then speakers and cabs. Plus even though its heavier, a full stack is way cooler then a small compact set up.  It's a wall of greatness big_smile .

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Re: Joe Bonamassa Palmer Interview

Yes the 4 heads on top of 2 cabs does look very cool.  I guess I'm just trying to think of an easier way to accomplish the same goal.  I also really like the idea of the Palmers allowing whomever is running the board to get the perfect volumes.  I just wish they weren't so EXPENSIVE!  For now I'll probably pick up another used 4x12 on the cheap and then take it from there.  I still have to get my Metro built, my DSL100 fixed up, and another alternate amp (maybe). roll

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Re: Joe Bonamassa Palmer Interview

If you think about it, it's the same price as a Marshall 4x12 cab. And you're getting a good sound from your amp because of the product. The only thing is you need a PA to hear it wink

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Re: Joe Bonamassa Palmer Interview

The Palmer is so you can get a similar sound to a Speaker Cabinet with a Mic in front of it. But, it doesn't replace your Speakers. It just allows for a D.I to the P.A. You'd still have your Cabs onstage.
    MotherLode (as well as a few others) make similar devices. Most are pretty good.

    Some people use a "Silent Speaker", or Isolation Cabinet, for similar effect. Especially in Churches, and other very controlled environments.

    If you want to replace all of your Amps AND Cabs, you could go with an AXE-FX or similar device.

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Re: Joe Bonamassa Palmer Interview

Budda wrote:

The Palmer is so you can get a similar sound to a Speaker Cabinet with a Mic in front of it. But, it doesn't replace your Speakers. It just allows for a D.I to the P.A. You'd still have your Cabs onstage.
    MotherLode (as well as a few others) make similar devices. Most are pretty good.

    Some people use a "Silent Speaker", or Isolation Cabinet, for similar effect. Especially in Churches, and other very controlled environments.

    If you want to replace all of your Amps AND Cabs, you could go with an AXE-FX or similar device.

If the Palmer PDI-03 is a DI from your amp to the PA then why would you still need the speakers/cabs?  I don't see the point of them unless I'm missing something.  It has a load in the device that allows it to accept the signal from the amplifier without any damage (just like a speaker cab).  As far as the price, yes they are as much a a nice 4x12 speaker cabinet.  You would think they would be less to give guys more incentive to ditch the back breakers!  C'mon Palmer!  Hey, a guy can try to haggle at least.

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