Topic: Singing Advice....

Ok, well I figured I'd post this here being this is where most of the musicians hang out.  Here's my problem.  As a guitar player, I feel right now my down fall is not singing.  I go to jams weekly and sit in with bands here and there.  Playing guitar, no problem - I can play in front of anybody, anywhere.  My fear is that people will think less of me as a guitar player if I can't sing, or sing poorly.  But not singing, it makes me a backup person and then I have no control over whats going on... I'm just the guitar player guy.  I really enjoy being a frontman and leading instrumentals because of having "that say" in whats happening up there.  If I can start singing, I feel it will open another door for me because I can now have a voice in song selection and can lead a band fully.  It's pretty much on me now, because I can't find my Robert Plant/Paul Rodgers where being a sideman in a situation like that is up my alley.

Anybody have any advice on singing, like anything at all lol?  Joe how did you discover your voice/singing ability?  It'll take practice I know, but I don't even know where to start.  Sorry for the rant, just looking for a little help.

Much Thanks in Advance,
Ben

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Man, i feel the same way!! The extent of my singing experience, is when im driving around, and its pretty awful. My guitar teacher told me that I HAVE to learn how to sing, even if it's not well. Its just something that needs to be done. I will be following this thread closely lol.


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My son is in the same boat.  He knows if he could learn to sing, he'd have more options available to him.  His former guitar teacher told him anyone can learn to sing to some degree, it just takes practice and conditioning of the vocal chords.  I imagine just like any other new exercise regimen, you'd start small and build upon that.  Without spending money on voice lessons, I wonder what would be the best way to go about this?

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I would highly recommend finding a vocal instructor, and taking about 3 months of lessons. At least enough to find out about basic techniques, and how it feels to sing. I think you'd save a LOT of time, by just getting some help right away.

    And I found a DVD called "The Zen Of Screaming", that has some great exercises in it. Stuff I've heard some truly top flight instructors teach their students. The only advisary here: It's definatelt "R" Rated language, etc. But, good tips and techniques.

    Singing well will require just as much time and focused efforts in your practice as guitar does. So, be prepared to sing Scales, Arpeggios, and do Breathing Exercises, etc.

    But yeah, you really have a lot more options open up to you, if you can sing even a little. Plus, it will help your guitar playing IMMENSELY! So, any time you feel you are "taking away" fom guitar, will be more than made up for. So, don't sweat that.

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The group I'm in is losing its original singer.  Our new singer is a female and she is awesome.  She more or less told me that sing really is like any other musical instrument you got to learn how to use it and practice it.  I'm not tuting our groups own horn or nothing but this girl has a world class voice and is way better the the group she is singing in.  I'd suggest finding someone who can give you lessons.  I once got on a kick where I wanted to sing and be the "front Man" but the problem with me being that guy is it took a lot away from the guitar playing side and I could give 100% to both.  I was too proud to give up guitar playing though so I made my choice to more or less stick to backup vocals.  I will say this though.  If your in a band where you are the primary song writer you'll still be in the drivers seat.  Thats again where I'm at.  Anything we do that is original is something I wrote and tends to be our better stuff (its original so if you screw it up nobody knows)

Also on the practice time I would highly recommend that how ever much time you would put on playing guitar you spend equal amounts of time practicing scales with your voice.  I got singing for dumbies and they had a cd you can sing along with.  It does scales where you sing with other singers, lip trills, tounge trills and all sorts of stuff.  I used to stick that in my cd player in my car while I would drive to work and let me tell you the attention you got while stopped at a red light was incredible!  Hope I helped or made you feel better a little bit about singing.  BTW Robert Plant/ Paul Rogders is aiming pretty high just focus on being Ben first.

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My honest advice is to just do it, find a song where you dont have to think to play (simple shuffle or some sort) and just go for it, the hardest part is finding a range your capable of hitting. Singing by yourself in a small room is very different from belting something out at a pub and usually all that extra oomph you put in will change what key you need to be singing in (if that makes sense?).
Then when you have learnt the song and can sing it, record it what better way to see if you sound ok? the first few trys might be duds but eventually you will identify that voice in your head to whats being played...

The best thing for me about playing is the singing, its the most honest form of music and lets face it when you sing you cant hide behind anything, it leaves you very open to criticism and can be very frustrating if you get it wrong. I think what I do like about singing the most is how you can convey emotion better then any instrument could ever hope of achieving. I remember singing at a gig a few years ago "Aint No Sunshine" I had just split up with someone who was at the time very dear to me and that song just sort of made sense, it was alot easier to sing with that sad thought in mind and get the song to appear genuine.

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AD3THREE wrote:

I got singing for dumbies and they had a cd you can sing along with.  It does scales where you sing with other singers, lip trills, tounge trills and all sorts of stuff.  I used to stick that in my cd player in my car while I would drive to work and let me tell you the attention you got while stopped at a red light was incredible!

"Singing for Dummies" sounds right up my alley! hmm

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Find some songs that you think you can sing, play them, and try to sing along with them. For me, it was Midnight Rider and Old Love. If it sounds good or bad to you, then record yourself singing. That way you can figure out what mistakes you're making. And find out what range you are comfortable in. This is how I taught myself to sing. Within two years, I was competing at my school in an American Idol-style contest, going up against music majors and church choir mainstays, and I at least held my own. This also helps you with ear training, because you have to listen to where everything is and then hit the note, instead of just being to find the note on the fretboard. Not my ear is great, but it's a lot better than it was.

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I am in the same boat as you guys, guitar player who wants to do more, I don't know if I want to front a band but being able to sing would open up doors where I could play open mics myself or even do some coffee house gigs and keep playing while the guys in the band twiddle there thumbs like they like to do.

Going to look into that singing for dummies book.

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I started singing in 2001. Open jam, nobody knew the words to my cover song. Somebody yells "just SING - everyone's drunk anyways!" So I did. It wasn't good, but it was better than no singing at all. The more you do it the better you get. I think confidence has a lot to do with it, and of course having all the words memorized.

It doesn't matter how good a singer is - if you botch a word.... roll c'mon man!

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You gotta sing to get on. There are a trillion and one guitarists out there, if you have a good voice (or one that can be worked on) it will help you lots. Get singing lessons, there are right and wrong ways to sing and it easy to cause damage.

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mbcl wrote:

You gotta sing to get on. There are a trillion and one guitarists out there, if you have a good voice (or one that can be worked on) it will help you lots. Get singing lessons, there are right and wrong ways to sing and it easy to cause damage.

Guitar players who can sing lead and play lead are where it's at. Just one or the other doesn't cut the cheese if you wanna stand out. cool

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i have a problem with singing, and that problem is that i cant play guitar and sing at the same time, i have tried to practice a bit but im still terrible at it, its like my mind wants to either focus on the guitar or the singing, and depending which one it goes to the other goes off.

i tryed to find simple songs to practice with, i've been working with pink floyd wish you where here, its 4 simple cords and the singing part is close to my vocal range i guess, no high pitch sounds of low bassy sounds that i cant reach, but even with such simple songs i sometimes mess up.

other songs i tried: pink floyd pigs on the wing, stairway to heaven, but same result

how can i get over this?? any tips?

its all a matter of principle...

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So maybe the guys that can sing and play could give us a little list of some of the easy songs they learned to sing and play at the sametime. That might help a couple of us out.

I have tried singing a few blues tunes since I can stop playing guitar and sing and then just play in the fills.

Like "Leave my Little Girl alone" - SRV version
Shame Shame Shame
Honey Bee

I to have tried wish you where here and couldn't get it all, I should try again that was some years ago.

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I have that exact same issue... i will admit that i am not the most coordinated of people, which is why i cant play the piano, drums, or fingerstyle guitar. Im sure that has quite a bit to do with it.


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Try playing bass & singing.

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Just typed an idea for you and lost reply hitting a wrong key:(.

1. Learn how to play a favorite song you would like to sing that's not hard to play on guitar and not over the top vocally...be honest with your self...don't start with Plant, etc. very important.

2. Learn every individual vocal note (mimmick vocals on guitar) on guitar until you can play song as an instrumental, not a jam please. Was not easy for me, so if you can read music, you'll be better off grabbing a music book that has vocal lines printed - if not, this will be a ear and guitar lesson within itself.  I also recommend a slow song.

3. Now sing along with individual notes you play on guitar until you hit every note spot on for the entire song.

4. Then record yourself and have a listen...pretty cool (hmmm. new guitar solo idea's too).

5. Then record WITHOUT playing individual guitar notes, just chords (like playing accoustic guitar at the beach) and how do you sound...probably not as good as when you played guitar notes, so go back and keep at it until you're spot on without guitar notes guiding you.

6.  Everytime you noodle around on guitar playing Blues pentonic scales, voice out every note...do a George Benson like groove...will help you.

7. Sing whenever possible, even without music, even if you're not in key.  You'll start to find YOUR key and this will be pivotal for future songwriting.  Remember, not even your favorote singers sing great in any key, they have a favorite key as you will, but need to find it ASAP.

8. Learning how to breathe is important, but you'll get the hang of it, just like when when you first started playing guitar and couldn't hold down a "F" barre chord on first fret or bend a note to pitch.

9. Once you start getting a few songs down, go to your local pub or freiends house party and play accoustic or electric (clean) and sing...put down your fretboard plank work for a night and you'll get more lady attentoin then any Vai riff proved valuable.

10. Now go get some vocal lessons from a teacher for a 3-6 months to polish you off with technigues; breathing, etc.

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Knocking On Heaven's Door is a good first tune.

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