Re: 2009 king of the blues winner
Not to take away anything from Mr. Kirby (I respect his art), but I personally didn't feel anything watching that clip.
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Not to take away anything from Mr. Kirby (I respect his art), but I personally didn't feel anything watching that clip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hwOuR1-Axg Here is a trypical Kirby Kelly performance. The guy is from Dallas Texas. I have seen him live several times. If this guy ain't blues then I give up. I don't know what the hell it is.
For sure Jim. A great player. You just can't beat a great slide player. They're not a dime a dozen.
I did NOT say that Mr Kelley was not good. He's good. Kudos for winning. Is that gut wrenching, soul filling blues? It is not. Not to me.
And to respectfully disagree with a couple of you, the blues does not need a shot in the arm or a spotlight shown on it unless it's by a Blues Artist.
By definition AND reality blues is not mainstream anything. Joe? Derek? say what? In many ways Joe and Derek have more personal integrity than a lot of blues "gods" who made their fame on something other than blues. They are both brilliant guitarists and damn smart marketers.
Our music will never be LOST...mass public be damned...if you want to be a big commercial success, then go with the SCHTICK that gives you that. Gene Simmons net worth hovers around 800 million.
The blues is not dead. N-O-T NOT! The guy is good. Blues? That acoustic piece would've, could've, been a perfect duet with a banjo player. He's good...good. John Hammond maybe should've judged that or Roy Rogers; 2 acoustic and slide experts at blues.
Guitar Center does not have it right, yet. Maybe one day they will. It's an excellent start to have our Joe judge. Or Call it sumpn else. It's awesome that they (GC) do this. 25K is a nice prize and that axe...whoa, but...
Lastly, some of my marketing associates get publicity (bad or otherwise) and they make more $ than I do. But they don't have what I have.
MuchLove
BigJeff
The blues is on life support in my town. There are few venues willing to book a blues act. There is one promoter left willing to take the risk but even his patience is wearing thin. If the blues is happy with returning to the roots of being performed on peoples front porches then that is where it is heading.
As Joe says "His mission is to keep the Blues from being a museum attraction" Anything that keeps that from happening is a good thing. There will never be another Robert Johnson or Muddy Waters. What is wrong with finding a pioneer or the next innovator of the blues. If Kirby Kelly is that more power to him.
I think I'll just go watch my videos of James Patrick of Page...
The guy's a good player, congrats to him. Take those slides off and I think I could take him though
. It really seems like the judges are looking for more slide/acoustic guys the last few years. I didn't really sense a whole ton of soul in his playing which IMO is what the blues is about. Not the gimicky stuff but as you can see it leads to a win... I was watching his technique and didn't see the point of the two slides. Seems like the riffs he was playing you could do with just one?
Without sounding to much like an A-Hole I'll humbley state that I've given up on GC's KOTB competition. The only cat that I've seen enter that was ate up with the blues was that kinda heavy set dude with the Epiphone Lucille. Gino something...I checked out his stuff and he's a GREAT singer with tons of chops and SOUL. He should've won the year he competed.
agreed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hwOuR1-Axg Here is a trypical Kirby Kelly performance. The guy is from Dallas Texas. I have seen him live several times. If this guy ain't blues then I give up. I don't know what the hell it is.
See, I really liked that performance a LOT better. Maybe his voice has something to do with it? I guess he was really trying to go for it playing-wise on the KOTB competition. I never said he wasn't the blues, but the thing that I love about my favorite blues artists is the soul that is poured into every note. I guess I was too hard on the guy (one of our own) and am slightly embarassed. "Can't judge a book by its cover" I imagine applies here. He's a great musician and I wish the best for him.
In regards to the state of the blues, I agree it's not the most popular music as far as mainstream appreciation. But I assure you, at least half of the kids picking up the guitar will learn some blues before they are done. Every guitar player I know, regardless of style, loves BB King, SRV, Hendrix, Clapton, etc.
Joe is the ambassador of the modern day blues, no doubt in my mind. If Joe's steadily increasing success is any guage of things, I have a feeling that Blues is going to be OK. I remember seeing Joe at Hard Rock in '07...it was really sad because there were plenty of seats empty. HE ROCKED THE ROOF OFF THE PLACE!!! 2 years later he comes back to Orlando and sells an even bigger venue out.
Also Blues is a word of mouth kind of thing. Your radio stations (except college radio) will most likely not be playing Joe or any of the blues we grew up with. Everyone in the world that has any interest in blues music what so ever needs to find people and say "Hey come here. You like guitar playing? Like Hendrix? He got it from Buddy guy so listen to this!" Little stepping stones is all we are to blues music. It is our responsiblity to be leaders to the music. Once our leaders quit showing the path of Blues present, past, and future then the music will only live through them. The blues has to be passed on to the next generation of guitar nuts so we can have something cool to listen to when were all 100 years old.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hwOuR1-Axg Here is a trypical Kirby Kelly performance. The guy is from Dallas Texas. I have seen him live several times. If this guy ain't blues then I give up. I don't know what the hell it is.
Wow. That really is a whole lot different now, isn't it? That's bluesy as hell, along the lines of the John Hammond, I mentioned earlier. Who saw that before the judging?
Once again, I contend that guitar center still should not call it KOB if the first video I saw was what won it for him. I'm really not trying to be "blusier than thou." I feel the same way about idiots saying that Joe is the next SRV. I think it's akin to somebody who's never been in the projects telling me about what goes on in my old neighborhood on Saturday night.
Simply not qualified.
AND Jim, point taken about the lousy shape of blues as a business in your town. I'm sorry. What i've done here is put out demo CDs. Because by now you say blues band and promoters rool their eyes. So they listen and say Whoa is that you guys? Yep.
Truth in advertising goes a long way. If I book a blues band and they play screaming metal rock and roll at volume 10 with maximum distortion, there's a good chance they will not go on for their second set, let alone get paid. But I'm the dumbass who booked 'em.
Anyway Kirby is a talent and thank you for patiently posting that second clip. I feel all better now.
Also Blues is a word of mouth kind of thing. Your radio stations (except college radio) will most likely not be playing Joe or any of the blues we grew up with. Everyone in the world that has any interest in blues music what so ever needs to find people and say "Hey come here. You like guitar playing? Like Hendrix? He got it from Buddy guy so listen to this!" Little stepping stones is all we are to blues music. It is our responsiblity to be leaders to the music. Once our leaders quit showing the path of Blues present, past, and future then the music will only live through them. The blues has to be passed on to the next generation of guitar nuts so we can have something cool to listen to when were all 100 years old.
So, are you saying that blues is all about guitar?
Also Blues is a word of mouth kind of thing. Your radio stations (except college radio) will most likely not be playing Joe or any of the blues we grew up with. Everyone in the world that has any interest in blues music what so ever needs to find people and say "Hey come here. You like guitar playing? Like Hendrix? He got it from Buddy guy so listen to this!" Little stepping stones is all we are to blues music. It is our responsiblity to be leaders to the music. Once our leaders quit showing the path of Blues present, past, and future then the music will only live through them. The blues has to be passed on to the next generation of guitar nuts so we can have something cool to listen to when were all 100 years old.
See I do have a problem with people thinking that this is just "guitar music for guitar people." It shouldn't just be about the guitar. It should be about the songs. John Mayer once said about Stevie Ray that if Stevie didn't have the songs or his voice that his guitar ability would've been quickly looked at and then forgotten or he would've been popular only amongst guitar players. But that his voice and songs combined with his guitar work made him popular among what Mayer called 'the housewife contingency." I don't care about the guitarists, although I am one. I'm trying to reach folks that wouldn't know a guitar from a fiddle, that just dig on music. And it's in my musical tastes too. I love Gnarls Barkley, a group that a lot of people here would go WTF. But tell me you don't hear the blues when Cee-Lo sings a song like Crazy.
As a matter of fact, I'm trying to get folks out of thinking that the blues is just "guitar music." It wasn't guitar music when Muddy and Wolf were ruling the world at Chess. Blues was an ensemble music, where the singers were the bandleaders and the guitar was in the background.
In the end, it's not all about the guitar. It doesn't stop at the guitar. I do not think it is a coincidence that Joe's rise in popularity has a little bit to do with the fact that while still playing kicking guitar, he focused more on his voice and songwriting (or choice of songs to cover) and made it about more than just the guitar. This is what the blues must do to survive. Joe was correct when he talked about Stop being the rare blues song that has a catchy chorus in it. Honestly, the first two albums notwithstanding, it wasn't until Sloe Gin that I thought Joe was making music that had a shot to be on the radio. Not that he was making pop music or that he was selling out. But with Sloe Gin, and The Ballad Of John Henry as well, he's making music that is at its heart blues music. It retains its edge and its heart, and makes no compromises. But at the same time, it's music that is a lot more accessible to people outside of the blues realm. There's something about songs like Stop, Ball Peen Hammer, Dirt In My Pocket, Happier Times, and Lonesome Road Blues that is just so very catchy.
With all due respect I do not believe blues is all about guitar. I do believe that if there was no such thing (Guitar) in blues music the music wouldn't have the same passion, and coming from a guitar nut I'll listen to just about anything with a decent guitar player. But blues is guitar based and thats a fact. Eric Clapton on bass guitar? Muddy waters on wistle? Come on! Blues has everything to do with any instrument but if the blues biggest heros where not guitar players blues would have died before it got into the 70's. Now with that being said lets not pick a fight just for the sake of picking fights. You 2 have your opinions about what blues music should be and I have mine but as long as the music in general lives on who really gives a damn about what is the main influance on it? Anybody that has issues with that can just get a life!
***LONG LIVE GUITAR BASED BLUES****
Aw come on, let's fight just for fun... and I have a life.
Most of the blues standards from the old school were written and sung by a bass player. Do you know his name?
What about the piano player? Mr Brown? Pinetop? Otis?
With all due respect I do not believe blues is all about guitar. But blues is guitar based and thats a fact.
OOPS!
I agree it's an age old question with no answer, which is why I would avoid stating an opinion as fact.
MuchLove
FDOL
Yes Blues is a guitar hero's playground, but almost all of the all time greats had to have the pipes to match. One of my favorite was Albert King because of his smooth as butter voice and stinging guitar style.
I agree wholeheartedly about Joe's last two albums. They are very original and fresh sounding, moreso than any other blues type album that has been released in perhaps 20 years. You very rarely hear predictable blues chord progressions, stale licks, or subpar backing instrumentalists. All of the musicians that are playing with Joe now are world class musicians. I was shocked how great Bogie was when I saw them live recently. Anyways, at this rate I hope guys like Joe get back on the radio and more exposure. It's definately possible. Time travel back to the '80s when the Stray Cats were doing '40's and 50's era big band/swing/rockabilly...who woulda guessed they would have been successful!
Exactly stratpaulguy. B.B. King was known by his black audiences in the 50s as a blues singer. Heck, most didn't even know he played guitar until they saw him live. Buddy Guy, same thing, such a wonderful voice. But who are guys like Albert King without such wonderful tracks like Born Under A Bad Sign or The Hunter, which don't even feature his playing that much because they were singles recorded for radio?
the two slides thing is kinda cool, and he has some nice lines, but he certainly isn't the best up and coming blues player I've ever heard (not to mention his bad intonation). That competition is such a crap-shoot, but at least he's playing some blues and its great exposure for the music.
Actually I've never been a fan of the blues in general, I've always been a rocker through and through. I'd always liked Gary Moore, but kinda went off him when he went all bluesy. That said, that was a long time ago, and when I heard Joe for the first time earlier this year it was 'Feeling Good' and it was Joe's vocal that really stood out for me on that track, it was only when I bought John Henry that I realised what an accomplished guitar player he really is. John Henry cost me a lot of money, because as soon as the CD was finished I went back to my local record store and bought every Joe album they had lol. Anyway since then I have now added Walter Trout, Robin Trower, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Jeff Healey and Smokin Joe Kubeck (and Bnois King) to name but a few, to my record collection, and I've started listening to Gary Moore's later stuff too, and appreciating it for what it is, pure musicianship, and lets face it, Gary Moore is not one of the world's greatest vocalists, but boy can he play a guitar. Now I'm all about guitar players, be it Kirk Hammett, David Gilmour, Eric Clapton, Joe Walsh and of course JB, and I don't care what genre it is I'm listening to, all I care about is what I'm listening to, it's the music that matters. Labels just tend to pigeonhole artists, and if you start doing that, there will be people who don't like certain kinds of music that will never listen to certain artists because of the genre their pigeonholed into. That is a great shame.
Just putting my 2 pence (cents) worth in lol, it's my opinion is all.
Jono
Most of the blues standards from the old school were written and sung by a bass player. Do you know his name?
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