1 (edited by Jimi75 2009-11-13 17:39:04)

Topic: Mid 70s Fender Strats

Are they really that bad? Man I love their looks with the big headstocks. I am currently in for a "vintage" instrument and the mid to late 70s fit my budget. I think of a possible future value for my kids, too - no I can not not afford a 60s Strat, just for the case ;-)

But that is only one part of the story. The other part is that I played a 60s CS Relic recently and it was a heavenly guitar. I know that their value will not raise as they are "mass production", so I am asking myslef which way to go. 70s or Relic?

What are your experiences? Looking forward to reading your replies.

J

2 (edited by JohnTB 2009-11-13 17:49:41)

Re: Mid 70s Fender Strats

I believe they are a bit hit and miss, Ive played a couple of sub par 70's but I've also played some wonderful 70's most noteably a late 70's Candy Apple Red it had such a fine neck and sound I really wished I owned it alas it was someone elses sad the guy let me try it out after his gig, which was nice of him smile
It wasn't really worn either nothing like you see on these relics from CS, it had some laquer cracks etc but that just added to the look...

Best bet is to find some and try them imo 70's will eventually raise in price. If it was a guitar to be played alot I'd be temped by a reissue...

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The three bolt on the neck plate instead of four was considered a huge drawback. I think think guitars made in the 70's get a bad rap all together because they were just starting to figure out mass production while sacrificing the handmade quality. I'm not sure if I agree with it all or not. I have two 70's Gibsons and I love them. big_smile

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Re: Mid 70s Fender Strats

Played one '73 beat up,worn strat, it was heaven,really,really great, nice big neck....played two '79 strats, one was really nice,other was not:) so try, before you buy smile I don't think that 70s strats will be so valueable in future, it was mass production, and quite unpopular production smile

Re: Mid 70s Fender Strats

The '70s Strats are some of the smarter investment pieces you can pick up.  They are still relatively affordable depending on the year and finish.  The earlier ones were 4 bolters and were frequently seen in solid colors or sunburst.  Some alder wood was still used.  When they started using the really heavy ash, developed the 3 bolt necks, and left the finish natural is when they started to fall off IMO.  Some of those earlier ones are special though.

They will go up in value because they were not made in anywhere near the numbers that the current Fenders are today.  People will pay extra $$$ just so they can say they have an older one.  Walter Trout still swears by his CBS era oldie!

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I have the book "Stratocaster at 50"  One thing I read was the bride block is all cast molded so it was one solid piece instead of 2 pieces that are held together with 3 machine screws.  The saddles were molded as well and everything was chromed.  I understand that they chip very easily.  Next the neck plate had 3 bolts that Leo was designing before he left and it was implamented in the 69' to 79' Strats.  The didn't take the time to get it right and the neck had the tendancey to rock back and forth.  The new strats have this fixed but the old ones you quote 1 out of 10 decent one that are not that bad.  They knew they were bad but deemed it cheaper to fix in the field then to fix all the strats coming off the line messed up.  Next they used less coils on the pickups.  The pickups from the fifties had wax brushed on the coils every so often after winding the pickup up, in the 70's that wax was put on at the end of the process and never penetrated the coils to get all the way through, so microphonic feedback might be another issue.  Last the later Strats were made on the first CNC routers in the world.  when they went to this the computers were so hard to program they would just get it close and go with it.   The result is over sized bodies compaired to the originals or the ones that were routed by hand the year earlier.  It wasn't noticable but if you picked up 2 strats routed by hand and then one routed by CNC you'd know.  This again has been fixed since the early 80's after CBS left.  All this was from my book.

Now let me also advise you of this.  The 70's was a decade of recession.  Cars were made so that they were as cheap as possible.  Electronics was made so it was as cheap as possible.  Guitars are no different.  They made them cheaper to save the companies butts but didn't pass the buck.  Its possible to get a good guitar out of buying a 70's guitar but my opinion is why chance it?  You could buy you that "HEAVENLY" 60's CS Reissue and get a killer guitar that as long as you leave it stock in 20 year WILL BE A CLASSIC!  Remember were playing today tomorrows classics.  Ditch the 70's strat and get you a Custom Shop they really are better instruments.  Even the MIM 70's Stratocaster (which is a damn fine guitar) is better overall in number then a CBS Stratocaster.  Dodge CBS Fender like the plege unless your willing to work on it, but then it won't be worth a thing to a collector.

Re: Mid 70s Fender Strats

Nice post!  I would also be more prone to the CS given the choice unless I found that "magical" '70s model like Walter Trout's #1.  The Custom Shop Strat is definately a safer bet and will at least retain its value for a long while.  I still believe an early, unmolested sunburst 4 bolter will be the better "investment" though.

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Yeah I think so too, but only if he plays it.  If your just going to let the guitar sit around the house I guess any 70's guitar would be fine, but I also think from my perspective that a guitar worth buying is a guitar worth playing.  If its an early 70's Strat and it rocks then get it!   If it is a late 70's Stratocaster and it rocks get it!  But make sure your happy with it before you buy it, because you don't know who will buy this guitar in the future.  If it sucks when you buy it, and if it sucks when someone your selling it to buys it, it will hurt the cost.  Better playing, better sounding, sought after pieces will alway get the sale or the big numbers.  I personally would look into a low number CS guitar limited to maybe 300 guitar.  It may cost the same amount as the 70's Strat but I promise you when that guitar is 40 years old its going to be worth a lot of money. 

stratpaulguy86 wrote:

Nice post!  I would also be more prone to the CS given the choice unless I found that "magical" '70s model like Walter Trout's #1.  The Custom Shop Strat is definately a safer bet and will at least retain its value for a long while.  I still believe an early, unmolested sunburst 4 bolter will be the better "investment" though.

Re: Mid 70s Fender Strats

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Re: Mid 70s Fender Strats

Thank you all for your input here. I find very good arguments in all the posts for both solutions. Buy an old one and buy a new one. Since I have posted this thread, I have checked al ot of guitars. The Fender CS guitars are really very fine instruments, but I still doubt them being a good investment. Of course I want to kill two birds with one stone. Playing an old Strat that has a story, that has the Mojo and sounds great on the one hand and knowing that this instrument will go up in value on the other hand. I have my eyes on a 74 Strat currently and will personally play and check it at the end of the month.

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I hope its a real monster kick **** guitar and wish you the best of luck.  I totally understand where your coming from and as long as its a great one you'll love it.

Re: Mid 70s Fender Strats

I'd go CS as well,

Some of those weighed a TON
Like 10lbs and over

Quality was not on the menu those years, cost was
Some bodies were many pieces, 5 or 7 piece bodies even

Not a fan of those at all

13 (edited by ModTourMan 2009-11-22 06:14:38)

Re: Mid 70s Fender Strats

Mine was...loose neck pocket, thick and uncomfortable finish on the neck and body, heavy, weak pickups...I could never get the tremolo feeling smooth.  What a horrible instrument.  I bought mine brand new after saving for what seemed like forever.  I ordered it then waited awhile before taking delivery.  The overwhelming excitement I felt when I got it home should have blinded me from all the flaws but I never really liked the instrument...it certainly didn't feel like the used ones I had played!  I eventually sold it (at a loss a few years later).  Oh well, I was just 17...how did I know a used one I could have picked up cheap back then would be the way to go!   
To be fair, with a bit of work on the neck pocket and a real good set up, those mid 70's Strats can probably be made to play and sound fine...though I'd have to play it to believe it!  I'll stick to my 2005 American Stratocaster...light years better in my opinion.
The American made Strats have real nice necks and some rival the Custom Shop for feel.  I wish you luck.  I hope the one your eyeing turns out to be a gem...they ARE out there!

Russ B.