Topic: If tone is in your hands than I should....

Chop my hand off! Man my tone was thin last night at practice. Not sure why, it got better with some tweeking but I was having trouble cutting through all night. Have a 2553 Jub and 412 with vintage 30's New Les Paul Traditional Plus. I am taking to get a pro set up with 11's today I think...

I usually play 10's I am a little worried if I am going to have a tough time with bending the 11's any one have opinion on jumping a gage? I got a show saturday so I want to make sure I will be ok playing the higher gage.

E

Re: If tone is in your hands than I should....

The V-30s are a bright speaker and the difference between 10's and 11's isn't that great.

Ben

3 (edited by stratpaulguy86 2009-09-28 22:30:37)

Re: If tone is in your hands than I should....

I agree with Ben, the string gauge should not make a huge difference between cutting through or not, unless it's drastically heavy or light.  .010s and .011s are very close in tone and feel with the .011s having perhaps a little more bass.

If you are having a hard time cutting through even though you say you sounded "thin and bright" you can make some EQ changes.  I don't have a whole lot of experience with  the Jubilee Marshalls and maybe Ben, Alex, or even Joe could chime in here.  BUT, for almost all of the other Marshall models I run the EQ like this:  treble and presense very low or off depending on the amp, mids at 9 o'clock or dimed, and bass at noon at least (again depends on the amp).  Marshalls, especially with V30s, can be a little buzzy and bright sometimes.

Furthermore, some pedals might help you punch through the mix.  I love a good ole fashion TS808 or simiar midrange heavy overdrive that tightens the bass and drives the mids hard.  To prevent things from getting brighter I usually run the level of the tubescreamer at about 3/4, the gain about 1/4, and the tone rolled back about 1/3.

Hope this helps,

   -Justin

'67 and '74 Fender Twin Reverbs, '74 Marshall 1987 lead mkII, Metro Superlead 100. Pedals from TC Electronic, Ibanez, Dunlop, BK Butler, Electro-Harmonix, Fulltone, Maestro/Gibson, Loopmaster switching, VoodooLab, Boss. Gibson and Fender guitars, Dimarzio pickups.

Re: If tone is in your hands than I should....

I've got that same guitar but different amp.  I like turning my midrange up wide open with it.  If I want a good solo sound i turn the pressence wide open and cutting the treble back until the ice picks disapear.  I normally run a compressor pedal to when i do that.  its set for level wide open and attack turned to the 11 o'clock position.  I play through a Hot Rod Deluxe and its been a good setup for me when i use the distortion channel.  I've had people tell me my strat I play with those settings sounds very bell like, then I'll back the tone controll off a bit and they can't believe how thick it gets.  When I play the les paul like that I think I get a Lesie West Moutian sounds out of it.

Re: If tone is in your hands than I should....

Hi
    As I have commented before the Jubilee is a great sounding amp  but in a band situation struggles to cut through , especially with 2 guitars. pair with a dumble clone and your problem is beautifully solved . or for cheaper option try a Boss GE-7 set as a mids boost for solos.
                             DEREK

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Re: If tone is in your hands than I should....

Took the guitar in today, the guy at the shop talked me out of going to 11 for now, just because I have a show saturday and he said your hands might not be quite used to the change. Which is fine, I didn't think the string gage would make a difference cutting through the mix.

I have tried a few different ways to boost. I have used an EQ in the loop, which works ok but sometimes would be just to loud. I have also used a Bad Monkey, Blues Driver, OD-1, Marshall Drive Master, TS-7, TS-10 in front at times. The sound always seemed to get muddy on me.

What I would like to do is use the Lead channel for my big rocking sounds, and have some kinda clean boost for solos, then use the clean channel with a OD pedal for cleaner/slightly break up. Two problems, one the boost problem, two using both channels on the Jub is a problem because one always is SO much louder than the other.

Also I use a Vox Tone lab for effects I am starting to think the reverb on there is also causing the sound to be thin.

Any ideas would be great.

Re: If tone is in your hands than I should....

Hi,

Derek, Justin and Ben have said all. Maybe I can add something.
I personally have a tad more mids (2 o'clock) and the gain pretty low
on 4 o'clock (still enough juice!). Also I dial the master volume quiet high (as possible)
and the gain volume at 12 oclock. I find it more dynamic and cuts better through.
The gain pot is quiet a strange bird at the ceriatone 2550. If you go below 4 o'clock
then the signal goes quieter instaed decreasing the gain. I think with some more tweaking
you will find the right spot.

Have you tweaked with the pu height?
If lower them then the trebly edge should get more balanced.

Good luck
Alex

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Re: If tone is in your hands than I should....

Has anyone tired a Carl Martin Hot Drive & Boost? I know Joe has used one and Warren Haynes. There is one Locally for sale for a good price, was thinking of trying it out. Any thoughts? Is the Fulltone Fulldrive better?

Re: If tone is in your hands than I should....

Big E wrote:

Has anyone tired a Carl Martin Hot Drive & Boost? I know Joe has used one and Warren Haynes. There is one Locally for sale for a good price, was thinking of trying it out. Any thoughts? Is the Fulltone Fulldrive better?


I have one and funnily enough I am just about to sell it . they are ok as a clean boost which takes the sound you have and boosts it, pretty transparent too ,sounds better with single coils IMO . the distortion side is ok but if you have a 2553 jube then you dont need distortion of any kind. also earlier you said you use vox tone lab for effects this is probably sucking your tone bigtime, invest in a boss dd3 and boss rv5 and put them in your effects loop of the jube

Derek

"Everybody's entitled to my opinion. wink

Re: If tone is in your hands than I should....

Acctually the Tone Lab isn't bad on the tone sucking, when I had my giant pedal board it was much worse. But I have thought about going to a simple board. I have DL4 already and an MXR phase 90, I need a good vibe and a good OD and Boost and I would be about there. But really the tone lab doesn't seem to be the problem.

Re: If tone is in your hands than I should....

could try weber beam blockers or a plexiglass shield, will keep the sound from being to shrill/thin... though im not sure if that's your problem.

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