Topic: What's the deal with mixing/blending multiple amps?

How do you mix 2 amps? I know Joe does this, but I don't understand how to do it so I could run 1 guitar through 2 amps heads? Could somebody help me out in understanding this? I'd like to try it, but I'm not sure how :\

"The way I like to look at it is....if that's the last time I ever got to play, I'd better give it everything I've got." -SRV

Re: What's the deal with mixing/blending multiple amps?

Ask and ye shall receive!  There are many ways to blend and run multiple amps for different purposes.  First being to have different amps set up for clean, dirty, and leads tones.  You can run two of the same (or similar) type of amp together for stereo effects or a wet/dry/wet rig.  Joe (and many others) run amps of different gain structures and EQ settings for a fuller tone.  Some amps have a more mid "scooped" EQ like most Fender type amps and modern Marshalls.  Joe likes to run a midrange heavy amp such as a Two-Rock, Fuchs, or Carol Ann up the middle of that tone.  Most Dumble based amps do this very well.  You can also play around with effects when messing with more than one amp.  I like to spread my reverb and delay apart for a bigger sound.  A stereo tremolo sounds huge and a chorus pedal on one amp can really fatten a distorted tone.  If you have any questions, there are a lot of guys including myself who have experience with amp blending on this forum.  Be careful with amp blending...it can be addicting!

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Re: What's the deal with mixing/blending multiple amps?

TubeSaturation wrote:

How do you mix 2 amps? I know Joe does this, but I don't understand how to do it so I could run 1 guitar through 2 amps heads? Could somebody help me out in understanding this? I'd like to try it, but I'm not sure how :\

Check out the Sticky at the top of this page "Encyclopedia of Joe Bonamassa Guitar Help". Down the page "In relation to pairing amps". Joe describes how he blends amps. There's a lot of other stuff in that sticky that you will find very informative, from the man himself!

Re: What's the deal with mixing/blending multiple amps?

inderstand the benefits and such, i just dont know how to set it up. is there like, a special a/b type i need to get with like, 1 input and 2 outputs that runs both outputs at the same time?

"The way I like to look at it is....if that's the last time I ever got to play, I'd better give it everything I've got." -SRV

Re: What's the deal with mixing/blending multiple amps?

The Voodoo Lab Amp Selector allows you to select any combination of 4 amplifiers. It's well made and quiet.

Re: What's the deal with mixing/blending multiple amps?

Ahhh gotcha.  It really depends on what you want to do.  I use a Voodoo Lab Amp Selector pedal that allows me to mix and match up to 4 amps in any configuration.  It has ground lifts to prevent/eliminate and grounding issues that may occur when you blend amps.

For the most part you will need a decent ABY pedal such as the aformentioned Voodoo Lab but others are very nice as well.  Lehle, Radial Engineering, Whirlwind, and Framptone make some very nice stuff.  Again, ground lifts are REALLY helpful.

If you are running combos you don't have to really worry about phasing issues and other problems that may occur with heads.  However if you are wanting to use 2 or more heads you need to have either a stereo cab or 2 seperate cabinets.  I used 2 100w heads into a stereo 4x12 Fender cab rated at 300w.  So I had 50w to spare on each side without risking hurting my speakers or amplifiers.  When you run 4x12 cab in stereo keep in mind you are basically veritcally splitting it into 2 2x12 columns.  MAKE SURE the speakers have ample wattage ratings.  Ohms selection is also important.  I would run my heads at 8ohms a piece into the cab (each set of 12's at 8ohms as well).

It sounds complicated but really all you need is a guitar, a cord to plug into the ABY pedal of your choice, and two  long cables to plug into your amps.  You can experiment with placing overdrives before or after the ABY for different results.  Joe has mentioned that he likes to sometimes push an amp with a mid heavy Tubescreamer type pedal on one amp only to make the mids stand out (usually on Marshall plexi type amps).  That was before he got the midboost mod on his Category 5 plexis.  Good luck and feel free to ask any more questions!

'67 and '74 Fender Twin Reverbs, '74 Marshall 1987 lead mkII, Metro Superlead 100. Pedals from TC Electronic, Ibanez, Dunlop, BK Butler, Electro-Harmonix, Fulltone, Maestro/Gibson, Loopmaster switching, VoodooLab, Boss. Gibson and Fender guitars, Dimarzio pickups.

Re: What's the deal with mixing/blending multiple amps?

I bought a Morley A, B, Y switch for $ 60 USD.  No Batteries, just 3 imputs.  1 for each amp and one for the guitar.  The combinations are endless.

For bedroom levels (or basement levels in my case) I run a Creiatone 18 / 36 watt (Marshall copy) and a Epiphone Valve Jr. together.  As everyone has been saying, one amp is dry (no reverb or echo) and the other wet (verb and or echo).

Just play around and blend the tones to get what your looking for.  Really thickens up the sound!

8 (edited by Partial2Marshall 2009-09-10 17:20:48)

Re: What's the deal with mixing/blending multiple amps?

+1 on the framptone.  The three banger is nice, allows me to run three amps (four if I use the tuner out).  I have one metal scooped, one mid range direct input, and one clean.  Here's the fun part I can sound like three guitarists. I will start a song with one amp and bring the other two in later, like a two guitar band....cool. In a one guitar band it provides tons of flexibility and interest.  I have even been adding my clean tone to shred solos just slightly in the background, really gets the notes to pop. 

Also the framptone will allow you to blend or switch...I prefer to blend.  The "how" is easy, max out the credit card and just start turning knobs...kinda.  Takes a while to figure out which hook ups work best and what amps need what pedals.  One amp at a time, then blend the levels.

Where the hell does one get a black-backed gold top anyway?

Re: What's the deal with mixing/blending multiple amps?

Thanks fellas! This really helped out a lot and I can't wait to try it. By the way, has anybody ever tried the Hao Rust Driver? I've heard good things, but before I drop 150 dollars or drive to guitar center, I'd like to know what I'm getting into. Thanks again everybody!

"The way I like to look at it is....if that's the last time I ever got to play, I'd better give it everything I've got." -SRV

Re: What's the deal with mixing/blending multiple amps?

heres another question about amp blending... specifically more than 2 amps (ala joe's rig). In my head i've got an idea but instead of 4 amps, its just 3. I know i'll need the whirlwind ABY, but as far as the lehle joe uses the 3@1 or something like that (i dont know if thats the right one) but since ill only be switching between two amps, what pedal could i used instead?


Thanks,
Logan

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Re: What's the deal with mixing/blending multiple amps?

scratch that last post... i guess i should have read everything before i opened my mouth! (or started moving my fingers in this instance) The Framptone 3 Banger looks to be exactly what im looking for!!


Logan

Block inlay Gibson ES-335, 50th anniversary American Strat, '61 RI White SG, '62 RI Relic Strat, Replica Korina Flying V, Gold Tone Paul Beard Resonator,  '58 Les Paul RI, American Highway 1 Fender Strat, Breedlove Acoustic, Stonetree Joe Bonamassa Custom, HIWATT Lead 100R, Reeves Custom 30.

Re: What's the deal with mixing/blending multiple amps?

The Voodoo Labs Amp switcher lets you blend the relative volumes of up to four amps, plus it has the ground lift and is dead quiet in operation and switching. LEDs let you know which amps are "on". In addition, it has a separate tuner out so that it's out of your signal path. Not as familiar with the Framptone.

Re: What's the deal with mixing/blending multiple amps?

Logo33 wrote:

scratch that last post... i guess i should have read everything before i opened my mouth! (or started moving my fingers in this instance) The Framptone 3 Banger looks to be exactly what im looking for!!


Logan

It will set you back about $400 usd, that's the only downside.  But it is worth it.

Where the hell does one get a black-backed gold top anyway?

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http://www.thegigrig.com/acatalog/TheGi … Black.html

This looks amazing...

Re: What's the deal with mixing/blending multiple amps?

Like the guys have already said there are a few pedals on the market that do his. Another thing to consider is something I have always fancied myself. Mike McCready from pearl Jam has been doing this for years. This will only work with 2 amps though. He runs his guitar into an ernie ball stereo/pan pedal then the 2 outputs to 2 different amps, 1 fender for cleans and 1 marshall for dirty. Toe down is all the way to 1 amp and toe up is all the way to the other and you can have any combination in between.

http://www.ernieball.com/products/categ … me-Pedals#

The link below Mike using this in a four amp setup.

http://guitargeek.com/rigview/256/

Re: What's the deal with mixing/blending multiple amps?

I would love to do the double amp thing with my 68 Bassman and my Jubilee and I have played around with it and its awsome. BUT how do you guys gig out with these things? Thats a lot of gear to take, we play mostly 45 - Hour shows (Originals) and man I don't know what some of these sound guys would say or do if I asked for two mics.

So do you guys bring you own mics and mixers for this rigs or do you have no problems with the sound guys? OR are you not playing out live with these rigs?

Re: What's the deal with mixing/blending multiple amps?

is there any problem with blending different amps of varying wattage? i am thinking of doing two 30w and a 40w... possibly even throwing in a 50w for a 4 amp set up.


Thanks,
Logan

Block inlay Gibson ES-335, 50th anniversary American Strat, '61 RI White SG, '62 RI Relic Strat, Replica Korina Flying V, Gold Tone Paul Beard Resonator,  '58 Les Paul RI, American Highway 1 Fender Strat, Breedlove Acoustic, Stonetree Joe Bonamassa Custom, HIWATT Lead 100R, Reeves Custom 30.

Re: What's the deal with mixing/blending multiple amps?

Logo33 wrote:

is there any problem with blending different amps of varying wattage? i am thinking of doing two 30w and a 40w... possibly even throwing in a 50w for a 4 amp set up.


Thanks,
Logan

You can blend any amp. No worries.
Currently I blend a Valvetech Hayseed 30 watter with a Ceriatone HRM 100 watter.
No problem. Just ensure if you blend different heads with a stereo cab that the
output impedance matches the cabs.

Alex

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