Topic: Big Company Gear Beef

Okay here's my beef lately.  I love gear. big_smile  I love guitars, amps, pedals, strings, picks, cables, EVERYTHING.  BUT!  Why does it seem that especially lately that none of the major amp/guitar companies are breaking any new ground?  Is the poor economy to blame?  I just seem to see everyone chase each others and own tails.  I'd like to see Gibson and Fender come out with some new designs.  It seemed like Fender had some things going with the "Toronado" and "Cyclone" guitars, wacky but kind of cool in a quasi-retro way.  They were new and original, if not successful.  Gibson has rested on it's laurels for at least 40 years.  Amplifiers are just as guilty, with a few exceptions.  I feel that Dr. Z is making some killer amps and stamping out a sound for himself.  Everything is CLONE CLONE CLONE instead of just pulling out a fresh piece of paper and a newly sharpened pencil.  I wish I had the technical know-how to do it myself.  Perhaps someday I will, but until then this is my big gripe.  I'd love to hear how everyone else feels, agree or disagree.

'67 and '74 Fender Twin Reverbs, '74 Marshall 1987 lead mkII, Metro Superlead 100. Pedals from TC Electronic, Ibanez, Dunlop, BK Butler, Electro-Harmonix, Fulltone, Maestro/Gibson, Loopmaster switching, VoodooLab, Boss. Gibson and Fender guitars, Dimarzio pickups.

Re: Big Company Gear Beef

stratpaulguy86 wrote:

Okay here's my beef lately.  I love gear. big_smile  I love guitars, amps, pedals, strings, picks, cables, EVERYTHING.  BUT!  Why does it seem that especially lately that none of the major amp/guitar companies are breaking any new ground?  Is the poor economy to blame?  I just seem to see everyone chase each others and own tails.  I'd like to see Gibson and Fender come out with some new designs.  It seemed like Fender had some things going with the "Toronado" and "Cyclone" guitars, wacky but kind of cool in a quasi-retro way.  They were new and original, if not successful.  Gibson has rested on it's laurels for at least 40 years.  Amplifiers are just as guilty, with a few exceptions.  I feel that Dr. Z is making some killer amps and stamping out a sound for himself.  Everything is CLONE CLONE CLONE instead of just pulling out a fresh piece of paper and a newly sharpened pencil.  I wish I had the technical know-how to do it myself.  Perhaps someday I will, but until then this is my big gripe.  I'd love to hear how everyone else feels, agree or disagree.




  Well Gibson has done a few interesting things,none of which I care for but they are new. The cheater (or Robot) guitar,the Darkfire,and the reverse V but I do kinda agree w/ ya to a point. As for amps Bogner/Line 6 have an interesting amp but again I dont care for it. I think its a "don't fix what ain't broke" thing. Gibson sales an **** load of great guitars through the VOS and Inspired By lines,Marshall and Fender aren't hurting either so it is what it is I guess.But some new designs would be really cool to see.

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Stratpaulguy, I think you answered it well yourself when you said " They were new and original, if not successful."
Gibson and Fender both came out with some new designs in the 80's and although they were actually well built guitars they sat on store shelves and as we all know the bottom line is sales.
I think both Gibson and Fender concentrate a lot of their marketing around their custom shop and artist series guitars because people seem to want a classic looking instrument.
Also, apart from a few dogs that show up now and then I think the quality of the majority of custom shop instruments is as good or better than it ever has been.
The classics also seem to appeal to a much broader market, regardless of the type of music played.
You can buy a good custom shop model, choose between hundreds of pickup options for different tones and still have a beautiful quality instrument that you could probably pass along to your own kids.
Even other larger companies seem to copy both the Gibson and Fender designs to sell their own product.
Musicians are fickle and while they might jump on the bandwagon of their favorite artist to have the same guitar for awhile if the body design is new and innovative, for the most part we tend to gravitate back to the classic designs once the novelty wears off, and it does.
Years ago I owned a number of EB Music Man EVH models, which to me looked sort of like a cross between a Tele and a LP. I thought they were the future of guitars but they were very limited one trick ponies and I wound up selling them all to go back to a classic design which covers a lot of musical bases.
Although I believe it was strictly a coincidence, based on the instrument he became attached to as a boy, I think Joe was really smart in basing his artist model around an old LP.

One thing I do agree with is that the cost of some of the artist models are way over the top and there should be a limit.

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Well Justin, thats a good topic. We had the same subject on a german message board a while ago.
The answer on that were not clear in the end. Partly "we guitarists" seem not to accept new things.
All the modeller stuff is ok but wouldnt replace the tube amp (I see it that way too)
because they dont have the physical punch and warmth. I tried a AxeFx myself and was amazed
at the great and high quality sound. But - it doesnt has the same playing feel to me.
Many new guitar designs, 7-string, midi and piezo constructions disappeared unnoticed because of lack interest.
Maybe for the electric sixstring instrument the best has already come?
I personally like all the current stuff but i'd like to see somebody invent lighter amps lol
But all in all I see a healthy continuity.

Alex

...it's a musical journey
www.u2-experience.de

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Thanks for chiming in on this guys, and some great points have been made.  I can kind of understand the Big Boys like Fender and Gibson relying on their classic models and custom shop stuff...it's just that even the boutique companies are complacent.  They tend to copy tried and true designs and there is no advancement.  I guess I could use the space program as an example for this.  There use to be competition, and with competition breeds innovation.  With superpowers competing for a place to survive it drives the neccessity to create new and better things.  Well that was in the late 60's...can you imagine our current astronauts going up in the old 60's rockets?  No, even in times of peace and lack of competition NASA still developed many new rockets, shuttles, and stations.  Technology has advanced so much that I really do think we can reinvent the wheel here.  It's just so frustrating that so many companies are relying on the sounds and technologies from the 50's and 60's.  They are great sounds and designs no doubt, and I LOVE my vintage reproduction guitars and amps, but I'm looking for advancement.  They are not the end-all-be-all guitars and certainly have limitations.  What the guy did to develop the Axe-FX was incredible IMO.  Though I would probably not seek out a unit at that price for say a boutique amp of similar value, I can embrace what he is trying to accomplish.  And look how successful and popular that gentleman is becoming, especially given that he is a very small fish in a very large pond.  I would certainly not turn my nose up to the Axe-FX from what I heard especially for recording direct tracks and practicing.

'67 and '74 Fender Twin Reverbs, '74 Marshall 1987 lead mkII, Metro Superlead 100. Pedals from TC Electronic, Ibanez, Dunlop, BK Butler, Electro-Harmonix, Fulltone, Maestro/Gibson, Loopmaster switching, VoodooLab, Boss. Gibson and Fender guitars, Dimarzio pickups.

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Everybody appears to want to sound VINTAGE lately. It's not like the 80's when it wasn't good unless it had 24 frets and a Floyd Rose double-locking Tremolo. big_smile

I'd say the Dark Fire is a cool step in the forward thinking direction for Gibson. The 1/2 SG, 1/2 flying V is a col thing they did for Zakk Wylde, but I don't like the bullseye finish.

Epiphone has a LesPaul Elite that has an acoustic pickup above the neck pickup, as well as a TON of features normal electrics don't like stereo/mono outs and nano controls or something.
http://www.epiphone.com/default.asp?Pro … ectionID=6

One thing that never really caught on was fanned frets. Back in 2002, I thought that was going to be the next big thing. Ralph Novak of Novax guitars sponsored John Mayer back in the day (before Martin and Fender started sponsoring him) and I thought it was going to take off. It doesn't appear to be a gimmic, because inntonation-wise it appears to make sense.
http://www.novaxguitars.com/sales/xr.html

One pickup company that I think is pushing the envelop is MotorCity Pickups from Detroit. Again, they are not a "big company" at all... but their pickups have a wide range of Hot to super face melting hot K readings.
http://motorcitypickups.com/

In the meantime the big companies will be replicating "oldy but goodie" models...

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