19 (edited by Rocket 2009-06-10 17:28:53)

Re: PC problems....

Side notes Martin:
Not all programs these days have discs, new computers also, plus any inherent changes to a dynamic program are still part of the program.  Your offsite suggestion is well advised.
I take it your "experience" with compression deal a blow to some photographic files, eh?

Rock On & Keep "em Faithfully Squirreled Everywhere, Anyhow, Anyway, Anywhere,
Rocket

"He still doesn't charge for mistakes! wink"
http://jbonamassa.com/tour-dates/
"Everybody wants ta get inta the act!"
“Now, this isn’t your ordinary party crowd, here.  I mean, there are professionals in here.”

Re: PC problems....

Maybe we can use this as an all purpose pc-related questions topic? I know that there are plenty of bright sparks around here! wink

I've downloaded a program that will allow me to convert the youtube clips that I've downloaded to my HD into other formats - the purpose being to convert them to a format that can be played on a conventional US dvd player.

It seems that the old Europe/US video definitions - PAL and NTSC - are still used to differentiate dvd formats - is this correct? If so, which one of these do I then select VCD, SVCD, DVD (PAL and NTSC) from the list below (copied from the program specs) , or something else?

Any advice or help gratefully received!

AVI - Audio Video Interleave (including HD video)
(.avi, .divx, .xvid, .ivf, .div, etc )

    * DivX codec *
    * Xvid codec
    * H.264 codec
    * DV codec
    * Cinepak codec
    * Indeo codec
    * MJPEG codec
    * Uncompressed codec
    * MS MPEG-4 codec
    * and other

MPEG - Motion Picture Experts Group (including HD video)
(.mpg, .mpeg, .m1v, .mpe, .m2v, .dat, .ifo, .vob, .vro, .mg4, .mod, .mvv)

    * MPEG-1
    * MPEG-2
    * VCD, SVCD, DVD (PAL and NTSC)
    * VOB, VRO
    * MPEG-4

RIP Iron Man

Rock On and keep the Faith

21 (edited by mbcl 2009-06-11 02:35:02)

Re: PC problems....

It depends on the dvd player you intend to use. Most tvs these days will handle pal and NTSC. So of you have a multiregion player any format would be fine. For USA only choose mpeg NTSC to be safe. 



Amsterhammer wrote:

Maybe we can use this as an all purpose pc-related questions topic? I know that there are plenty of bright sparks around here! wink

I've downloaded a program that will allow me to convert the youtube clips that I've downloaded to my HD into other formats - the purpose being to convert them to a format that can be played on a conventional US dvd player.

It seems that the old Europe/US video definitions - PAL and NTSC - are still used to differentiate dvd formats - is this correct? If so, which one of these do I then select VCD, SVCD, DVD (PAL and NTSC) from the list below (copied from the program specs) , or something else?

Any advice or help gratefully received!

AVI - Audio Video Interleave (including HD video)
(.avi, .divx, .xvid, .ivf, .div, etc )

    * DivX codec *
    * Xvid codec
    * H.264 codec
    * DV codec
    * Cinepak codec
    * Indeo codec
    * MJPEG codec
    * Uncompressed codec
    * MS MPEG-4 codec
    * and other

MPEG - Motion Picture Experts Group (including HD video)
(.mpg, .mpeg, .m1v, .mpe, .m2v, .dat, .ifo, .vob, .vro, .mg4, .mod, .mvv)

    * MPEG-1
    * MPEG-2
    * VCD, SVCD, DVD (PAL and NTSC)
    * VOB, VRO
    * MPEG-4

Re: PC problems....

That is a good question George. Michael has sent me DVD's of live Joe recordings that he did and yet, they would not play on any of my DVD players at home. I've got fairly current players including a Sony upconvert player that converts regular DVDs to upgraded quality approaching HD. And yet, none of the recordings that he has made for me will play. Thanks to a friend who has a conversion program, I've been able to view some of them. Usually, I can view them on a PC with a DVD player, but it would be a lot nicer to sit on a couch and watch them on a wide screen TV.

Anyone that can help would be great!

Roy

Joe is the Best!

Re: PC problems....

Try them in a region free player.

BluesMan wrote:

That is a good question George. Michael has sent me DVD's of live Joe recordings that he did and yet, they would not play on any of my DVD players at home. I've got fairly current players including a Sony upconvert player that converts regular DVDs to upgraded quality approaching HD. And yet, none of the recordings that he has made for me will play. Thanks to a friend who has a conversion program, I've been able to view some of them. Usually, I can view them on a PC with a DVD player, but it would be a lot nicer to sit on a couch and watch them on a wide screen TV.

Anyone that can help would be great!

Roy

Re: PC problems....

mbcl wrote:

Try them in a region free player.

That's true Martin, but finding a "region free" player is not the easiest thing to do. Also, do I go buy another DVD player (I have a few now) just to play the few DVDs I have that won't play on them? It would be nice to have a conversion program.

Roy

Joe is the Best!

25 (edited by JohnTB 2009-06-11 18:45:37)

Re: PC problems....

You can change the region of your dvd player(on your PC) a few time to get to the option right clickyour dvd drive > select properties > and then advanced. However newer dvd drives in PC's dont usually have regions. European countries are PAL and America NTSC.

If I was you I'd buy a dvd player capable of playing divx / xvid films (.mpg / .mpeg /.Avi) they are usually very cheap and instead of making a DVD Movie disc (which would take a video file and convert it to dvd format (which usually quadrouples the size)) I'd make a DVD Data disc and load it up with loads of xvid / divx files.

Because your converting .avi / .mpeg / .mp4 etc to DVD formats your not increasing the quality all your essentially doing is uncompressing them (but during the original compression quality has already been lost so your left with a same quality file thats 4x bigger).

So for instance; I have some band recordings 640x480 in size I can convert them to .mpg and get around 10 recordings on a single dvd. Or alternatively I can convert them to a dvd video format and get 1 recording per disc.

Sizes etc are guess work here but you get the drift, hope that helps.

Oh and to answer your original question Amsterhammer I would encode them to xvid, Its good quality, compresses well (smaller file) and works with alot of players

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JohnTB wrote:

Oh and to answer your original question Amsterhammer I would encode them to xvid, Its good quality, compresses well (smaller file) and works with alot of players

Thanks for that, John. To make it clear, this is my issue: I have a load of clips from youtube in their .flv format. I want to convert them to a format that will allow me to burn more than one or two onto a dvd that Cathy can just insert into her living room dvd player, not her computer!

I'll come back on this as she's not home and I'm still waiting to hear what file formats her machine will play. Some dvd players (and I think hers is one) will play all sorts of file types as long as they're on a dvd. Others will play only 'proper' shop-bought dvd's of the correct region for that player. If I remember correctly, Cathy's machine plays standard NTSC and some home made dvd's, though not all. She's going to look for her dvd handbook when she gets home. wink

So, a format like xvid would normally play on most 'standard' living room dvd players? Is PAL or NTSC important in this instance, or irrelevant?

RIP Iron Man

Rock On and keep the Faith

27 (edited by JohnTB 2009-06-12 01:39:24)

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The difference between pal and ntsc all boils done to how they convert colours (mainly hue) and the speed at which they run PAL being 25 frames per second and ntsc being 30 and also PAL having a higher height resolution 576pixels against ntsc's 480.

The problems that arise (apart from bad picture quality if the right decoder isnt used) is the video loses sync. So if your going to do this for a person in the states, japan, canada the safest bet would be to encode it in ntsc as I dont think most screens over in the states support PAL. There is other factors at play too but I wont bore you with them :x

28 (edited by BluesMan 2009-06-12 15:47:07)

Re: PC problems....

Well, here's what I decided to do after talking with the tech building my new PC. The new PC that I ordered comes with a 250 Gig disk which even if I live to be 90 years old (another 5 years wink) I probably will never fill up. I then will have a separate 250 USB Gig disk which I can backup to whenever. The extra cost is about $100.

Gosh John, not only are you a very good guitar player, but I can tell your a PC Wizard too!! smile

Roy

Joe is the Best!

Re: PC problems....

Roy,
it is a mistake to back up onto the same unit, unless you are doing an offsite backup too. The idea is to have atleast two separated backup areas. what happens if your PC gets stolen or fries itself.  250gb sounds a lot but it is quite small at todays standards. Doubling the size should cost no more than $100.

BluesMan wrote:

Well, here's what I decided to do after talking with the tech building my new PC. The new PC that I ordered comes with a 250 Gig disk which even if I live to be 90 years old (another 5 years wink) I probably will never fill up. I then will have a separate 250 USB Gig disk which I can backup to whenever. The extra cost is about $100.

Gosh John, not only are you a very good guitar player, but I can tell your a PC Wizard too!! smile

Roy

30 (edited by BluesMan 2009-06-12 16:43:57)

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Martin,

I won't be backing up onto the same unit. I will have two separate disks each being 250 Gigs. One will be within the PC itself and the other will be a plug and play USB disk strictly used to backup my main drive; it will not be contained in the PC. I know for some people 250 Gigs is not enough, but my current disk is 80 Gigs and I'm not close to filling it up. So basically, I'm increasing my disk size by 4 times and yet will still have a separate area (disk) for backup of all files.

Roy

Joe is the Best!

Re: PC problems....

I thought you meant two disks in the PC. Good program for backing is folder clone, us it all the time. As long as you keep the system disks you only need to back up your own own stuff, saving time and space smile



BluesMan wrote:

Martin,

I won't be backing up onto the same unit. I will have two separate disks each being 250 Gigs. One will be within the PC itself and the other will be a plug and play USB disk strictly used to backup my main drive; it will not be contained in the PC. I know for some people 250 Gigs is not enough, but my current disk is 80 Gigs and I'm not close to filling it up. So basically, I'm increasing my disk size by 4 times and yet will still have a separate area (disk) for backup of all files.

Roy

32 (edited by JohnTB 2009-06-12 18:12:00)

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BluesMan wrote:

Well, here's what I decided to do after talking with the tech building my new PC. The new PC that I ordered comes with a 250 Gig disk which even if I live to be 90 years old (another 5 years wink) I probably will never fill up. I then will have a separate 250 USB Gig disk which I can backup to whenever. The extra cost is about $100.

Gosh John, not only are you a very good guitar player, but I can tell your a PC Wizard too!! smile

Roy

Ahh I used to love computers and technology that was until I started working in the business smile I wonder if working with guitars would kill my love for them as well :x

A 250gb drive is more than ample, try not to do back ups from windows though it sometimes can mss up, just do like for like copies of files. Its much easier and makes it easier to transfer between computers smile

Re: PC problems....

Just a general pc 'tip' from a newsletter I get - unless you absolutely have to, do not buy a new Vista pc but wait for the launch of Windows 7 in October. Apparently, 7 has dealt with many of the issues that turned lots of people off to Vista. MS is advising corporate clients still using XP to wait for 7 and skip Vista!

Also, MS will be selling Windows 7 in Europe without IE 8 installed!!!!!

RIP Iron Man

Rock On and keep the Faith

34 (edited by Rocket 2009-06-13 13:23:54)

Re: PC problems....

Windows 7? We are already running it...have been for 3 months.  Some Vista components will actually be UN-installed. Cheap computers with Vista

Rock On & Keep the Faith,
Rocket

"He still doesn't charge for mistakes! wink"
http://jbonamassa.com/tour-dates/
"Everybody wants ta get inta the act!"
“Now, this isn’t your ordinary party crowd, here.  I mean, there are professionals in here.”

35 (edited by mbcl 2009-06-13 13:45:36)

Re: PC problems....

I have to say that the current Vista is very stable and works well (so far). I had vista when if first came out and it was pitiful I hated it. So I switched to macs, which were fantastic but reliability was a problem and they are very expensive to fix out of warranty.
Currently have two vista laptops, one high end laptop has not been running 24/7 around 5 months and we have no issues at all. I have new vista laptop myself which has been running for couple of weeks without been switched off. We are very heavy users and they get lots of abuse. I find get networking support very very good, just plug it in and it works, no messing around. Just installed new wired and wireless printers within minutes, no issues.
In an ideal world I would go for all mac and with all the fancy extras but the cost is too much. We are running 3 operating systems on the same network without any issues.


Amsterhammer wrote:

Just a general pc 'tip' from a newsletter I get - unless you absolutely have to, do not buy a new Vista pc but wait for the launch of Windows 7 in October. Apparently, 7 has dealt with many of the issues that turned lots of people off to Vista. MS is advising corporate clients still using XP to wait for 7 and skip Vista!

Also, MS will be selling Windows 7 in Europe without IE 8 installed!!!!!

36 (edited by Rocket 2009-06-13 14:48:45)

Re: PC problems....

Any computer is expensive to fix out of warranty.  And they shouldn't be! Unfortunately somewhere along the lines of surface mount electronics acceptance years ago, just tossing out "old" consumer electronics and being sold (whether "sold on" or not) / "buying a "new one" became a new mantra.  Bring back good old fashioned durability.  Time to market is not so damn important these days...Who knows if there even IS a market, you know?! Reliability problem with a mac? Not a trend, perhaps your abuse is, ahem, tongue rough?! Vista (premium at least) is a breeze for slightly advanced users.  7 is moreso for average users.

Rock & Keep the Faith,
Rocket

"He still doesn't charge for mistakes! wink"
http://jbonamassa.com/tour-dates/
"Everybody wants ta get inta the act!"
“Now, this isn’t your ordinary party crowd, here.  I mean, there are professionals in here.”