Topic: between rock and a hard place

Firstly, sorry if this is in the wrong place, it's not about gear but it is directed at guitarists/musicians, younger musicians at that, so I thought I'd put it here, .

I often hear talk of a revival of the blues and of a wave of younger blues artists however I am not seeing it. Yes, I can name a few decent blues people under 30, but I don't think that most younger people have got this memo! I'm 24 and have played for 15 years, but mostly have been stuck in cover bands/rock bands or metal bands, even though I am a blues man through and through. I get the odd offer to join a bands of 50 somthing guys, which is cool with me but usually they either require that I have a lot more gear than I do, or more often only play as a hobby maybe jamming only 2 times a month.
I was in one blues band at university, but sadly my singer got throat cancer and thus we disbanded, since then I just take what I can get-I'm trying out for a stereophonics cover band-just to keep playing!

So, my question is are others having this trouble? Often the younger bluesers you heard of have a parent in the "biz" or even in their band (Krissy Mathews, Danny Bryant). I find it hard to find others who want to form blues-rock bands. Also is there a difference in countries outside the UK regarding this?

Ben.

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The Blues and Blues/Rock is in a sad state right now.  Keep in mind that Blues rock WAS the heavy metal of it's day.  Blues is a truely American artform and unfortunately as all great art has periods when it's in fashion and out of fashion.  Blues was not very popular in it's debut and quickly dismissed as Devil's music and sinful.  Eventually it caught on like wildfire, partly due to it's slightly taboo nature at the time and legends of guys like Robert Johnson selling his soul to the devil for unbelievable guitar prowess.  Then it seems that the blues took a break, but still remained relevant in the 40's-50's.  Well as we all know there was the British blues/psychedelic blues explosion of the 60's that carried well through the 70's as well influencing a lot of the rock bands during that timeframe.  Again the blues took a break towards the mid-late 70's probably due to guys like Eddie Van Halen coming on to the scene just mauling up everyone with his flashy style. 
              So that became the new fad thus putting blues on the backburner for about 10 years.  Then came a huge resurgance partly due to Eric Clapton's career revival and of coarse the guy who probably made the biggest dent ever...SRV.  SRV pretty much resurrected the blues during the 80's making it cool to not play the guitar like a typewriter (I do love EVH though!)  Sadly the blues died with Stevie in 1990 and we've been patiently waiting its next strong resurgance. 
           Well IMO Joe Bonamassa is the guy who is going to be the next "blues messiah".  Joe's popularity has exploded in the last few years here and I think we are witnessing the next revival.  Joe's influence is spreading very quickly to many musicians much like Clapton, Hendrix, SRV, and others have done in the past.  To answer you question, yes it is hard to get a blues rock band together these days.  Especially if you are young and are looking for other young guys to play with.  I have said this before and I'll say it again, I feel that the blues is only being kept alive by younger/middle aged white guys who play guitar.  I think it's very sad and disappointing that the VAST majority of the youthful African American culture has forgotten perhaps one of the most important and proud pieces of it's history.  Hip hop, rap, and electronic "music" has shrouded the passing on of Jazz and Blues to it's younger generation. 
           I'm 22 years old and I'm the only person I know that's my age that listens to anything thats over 10 years old.  I have tried to get some people together to play old school rock and blues that were my age...no luck.  It's just not popular, and may never be.  The future can only tell.  I say work on your chops and become as versitile as possible so you can play with ANYONE.  Sorry for the essay, but I feel very passionate about this topic.  I love the Blues, always will.

         -Justin

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Well yes I feel the same passion.

I think part of the "devil's music" moniker the blues gained was from it's origins being in black people's music in a society that was heavily racist and divided as well as the factors you mention.

I disagree with you saying the blues died with SRV in 1990, the early 90s was a great period for blues. The Healer had just come out with John Lee on Bud adverts, BB was still riding on that bloody awful "when love comes to town" track, Clapton released From the Cradle in 1994, Walter Trout and similar guys were making names for themselves, Buddy Guy finally got a record deal. Indeed, if you look at blues fest lineups from say 1990-95 often they had more acts than in the 80s and since.
Anyway, it's just where you draw the line, I say about 1995, so not much difference! smile

Your're in somewhat the same boat as me it seems, yes, I play all styles-and can play with anyone I think (of course though, as any guitarist I'm always learning), just my preferance would be to be in a blues band but sadly in most bands I've been in or formed the most blues we have played is Red House (so over done) and a bit of cream from time to time.

I think people search desperatly to find young blues bands to say the blues has such a lively future as a sop to themselves, whereas, no, at the moment I'm a tad pessamistic too.

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Good points about BB King, Clapton, and Buddy guy.  The did have some later in their career success but again they have had their success for many years before the '90s.  Walter Trout is a smokin' guitar player but he is far from being a household name.  I agree perhaps me saying that "the blues died with SRV" was not entirely accurate but I think that a lot of the passion and fire that Stevie had, when he died, took a lot of wind out of the proverbial sails of the Blues.  I agree with most of your points and will also add what Joe Bonamassa has said in multiple interviews about the Blues.  He believes that the blues needs to change with the times and the blues of yesteryear need not be the blues of today.  He gets grilled from time to time for the shreddy licks, rock tone, and "borrowing" from the greats.  I think that Joe is coming into his own and I'm hearing less and less of his influences in his playing.  The blues does not have to be BB King/Albert King/Freddie King with horns and cleaner guitars.  The Blues can be just as relevant through a '62 Stratocaster and Super Reverb as a Jackson Soloist w/EMGs and Line 6 Spider.  The purists need to ease up a bit by appreciating that there are a few younger guys out there trying to carry the torch and accept that things will ultimately have to change.  As far as getting a band together, I find it much harder to find bass players and drummers period, no less ones who don't want to play death metal.  I live near the Orlando area and I'd say that guitarists probably outnumber drummers/bass players 50:1.  My goal is to find my own unique niche and style that will take the blues somewhere new and exciting.  Good luck getting a band together!  Keep fighting the good fight!

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5 (edited by JohnTB 2009-05-08 12:58:17)

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I've been saying this for a while Justin, I was in a decent blues band last year with 40+ year olds (im 24), the lead singer was a "insert suitable insult" anyhow I quit in october and tried to do my own band as I can sing and play etc, no one and I mean no one was interested in blues, I got offered a number of rock and country places and some guy wanted me to sing for some blues recordings he was doing yet he didnt want to do a band, it was honestly like trying to bleed a rock until the point where I gave up sometime in feb this year. Then the moment I gave up I got offered to join a blues band which I'm now in. Its not all my cup of tea, I'm a rhythm guitarist for them, but they let me do 3-4 songs of my choice to sing etc and the lead guy mixes it up with me etc Im also getting to play with alot of cool people because of these guys.

Like stratpaul said the problem is bassists and drummers, and I guess you cant blame them for not wanting to do blues most say its boring, me and the bassist of this new band have quite a laff though especially on songs like bad to the bone, seeing how many different G chords you can do during the song, its like having a guitar theory lesson whilst gigging smile

Anyhow I guess what I' trying to say is hang in there sad

btw the songs I choose between are;

The Thrill is Gone
Your Funeral My Trial
Red House (gotta be the funnest song to play although over used I mixed it up with bleeding heart blues)
Black Magic Woman
Love that Burns
Hey Joe
Sky is Crying
Boom Boom Boom

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Firstly thanks for the replies to this post, I thought it might be a little esoteric so was worried no one would reply.

Stevie did put the blues in the public eye the most, that is true (I mean MTV unplugged and all!) so yes, with him around for longer maybe the ball could have kept rolling a bit longer. SRV wasn't my first hero (Buddy Guy was) but SRV probably made me more determined to become a better guitarist than anyone else did and he's often the first person I show people if they are new to the blues, since, well he's amazing.

I prefer when Joe doesn't do too much shredding, etc. but yes, it for one gets the guitar crowd interested in the blues and although us guitarists say "tone and feeling over speed" ad finitum lots of us have a soft spot for it now and then. Yes, Joe's blues has moved on from some of the stuff before it and that can only be good with regards to getting new audiences.

Regarding bands, sometimes I can find drummers who like jazz drums, but yeah, bassists and especially singers I find hard to come across. I know some guitarists just sing even if they can't, but there are limits as to just how weak singing you can get away with and I would pass them!

Sometimes I just wish I liked bloody indie so I could form yet another lame Radiohead or Coldplay wannabe band in a flash!!!

You too, hope you both get some luck getting into or forming bands that are what you really want to do, keep me posted!

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Without diving into history, I can tell you from my experience - the only way I've made money playing blues is to play some rock with it. In the same boat as you, I've been in lots of cover bands that were primarily rock, alternative and metal. But since I was in the band we played some blues too. People dug it, but I'm unsure if they'd of liked 4 hours worth of it. Yes, our gigs were 4 one hour sets.

I'm 29, and I don't believe that age is an issue. I think it's an attitude of a listener to be honest. What they are willing to hear, and what their expectations were of the band before the gig started.

I've got a website I did for my Masters degree that I did on blues. Now that Joe had a birthday, I have to update it. but here is a link. http://www.discoverblues.info
It outlines the ages of the main blues guys and also promotes some really young guys I have studied.

Also as an alternative to live gigging, you can download SecondLife for free and play live in front of your computer and stream it to a worldwide audience. I have blues artists that play exclusively in SecondLife promoted on there as well.

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Move to Pittsburgh.  You can find a Blues Band on every corner.  First, I love the blues....when played well.  However it seems that as soon as a kid learns a blues scale or pentatonic scale he feels he can play the blues.  Hence, on every corner is a mediocre at best band playing for $200.  They bring there beer drinking buddies and fill the place and the club owner is happy cause he's selling a ton of beer and only paying a band less than a decent DJ would charge.
I actually was invited to play an open stage "jam" night.  The singer was an established local Blues singer.  Old school all the way...great bluesman.   The singer called the next tune which he simply said "slow blues in Am".  The guitarist in charge actually whispered in my ear "How do you play an Am"
"Sit this one out" I said.  Geez.

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DannyG wrote:

Move to Pittsburgh.  You can find a Blues Band on every corner.  First, I love the blues....when played well.  However it seems that as soon as a kid learns a blues scale or pentatonic scale he feels he can play the blues.  Hence, on every corner is a mediocre at best band playing for $200.  They bring there beer drinking buddies and fill the place and the club owner is happy cause he's selling a ton of beer and only paying a band less than a decent DJ would charge.
I actually was invited to play an open stage "jam" night.  The singer was an established local Blues singer.  Old school all the way...great bluesman.   The singer called the next tune which he simply said "slow blues in Am".  The guitarist in charge actually whispered in my ear "How do you play an Am"
"Sit this one out" I said.  Geez.

lol I've actually now stopped going to jam nights, last time I went it was me v alot of country peeps, it turned from a jam night into me doing acoustic numbers cause in one of the peoples words "I dont get blues"

the thing about mediorce kids wanting to play in blues is this - if you can try and pull them a bit under your wing you can help shape them into a semi decent player / musician. All they need is the drive to want to play....

My girlfriends brother is learning guitar hes 13 and I have him hooked on hendrix / clapton, borrowing him cd's / dvd's / books. I think introducing peeps to this sort of music when they start is a good introduction to blues...

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I've always thought that what hurt the blues was when SRV died, he was almost declared a saint. Everybody tried to sound like him. Everybody had to get that beat-up Strat and do what he did. Nobody tried to think outside the box on that stuff. Until guys like Trucks and Joe.

That's not a knock against SRV at all, as many of you know, he's my favorite. It's a knock against everybody who tried to capture what he had. You can't capture it, it was his own thing. You got to make your own thing. And that's why you're seeing guys like Joe Bonamassa and Derek Trucks making some serious waves in the music scene that haven't been felt in a long time, at least not since Jonny Lang and Kenny Wayne Shepherd were teenagers.

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