Topic: Joe's 3 Note Per String Runs

I know this isn't the perfect topic for this part of the forum but I also think this is one of the more active parts of the forum populated by guitar players.  I've seen Joe 3x and own all his CD's and I'm trying to get a bead on that EJ type 3 note per string run he uses often when it sounds like he puts his foot on the accelerator pedal.

You can hear it pretty evidently in Tea For One or So Many Roads.  Sounds sort of like a 16th note 3-note per string exercise.  Thanks for the help!

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Re: Joe's 3 Note Per String Runs

I'm not an educated guitarist, so I cannot provide the notation or tabs for what he does.  The way I came about it was listening to Eric Johnson everyday for a year or two, and taking those boxy Clapton licks to hyperspeed.  If you watch Joe or EJ when they do it it's pretty much the standard box Major or Minor Pentatonic with a LOT of speed.  One video I can recommend is the Eric Johnson Hotlicks video "Total Electric Guitar".  He uses those types of runs a lot in the examples and they can be slowed down/looped which helps greatly.  Also, try playing pentatonic riffs out of your comfort zone and work on being fast there, then try linking your comfort zone to that area on the neck thus creating some flexability on where to go.  Good luck man I hope this helps.

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Re: Joe's 3 Note Per String Runs

Hi
    Guitar techniques in UK has "So Many Roads " tabbed with A backing track . the guy who tabbed it
    plays it perfectly and is as stratpaulguy says, its just standard penatonics played at superspeed
    very frustrating you know how to play it but you cant!! if you want i will pass on the fast part to you
    and best of luck!!!!

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Re: Joe's 3 Note Per String Runs

What Would Joe Do?  He would practice 6 hours daily until he got it right.  Oh wait he did that already:/ Good Luck

Re: Joe's 3 Note Per String Runs

No joke its all in your picking technique - the fretting hand is easy, just make sure you keep your fingers standing up on the tips so the articulation comes across, but the picking is the hard part.  Long picking strokes = slower.  Tight, close picking = speed and clarity.  Basically the less bod parts you move, the more you notes you'll play.  I know it does't sound right, but I couldn't figure out any other words to describe it better lol.  Its difficult to point out how to do it with words, but showing you would explain it better lol.  As far as note go its simple blues patterns, but with a lot of other "color/passive notes" thrown in whether bending, or fretting.

Hope that helps,
Ben

6 (edited by ZampraZ 2009-03-28 11:33:15)

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It's really simple notes when you realize what it is. It was really a no brainer to find the notes, the hard part is to play them at the correct speed.

Don't get put down, you don't *need* to practise 6h daily to get it, just make sure you spend some time every day practising on your picking speed.

Something important when picking fast is always to keep down on hand movement. One thing John petrucci does, is when picking say 2 strings, it's common to use the pick on the outside of the string towards the center.
Lets call the space between the strings e and b for "center". You should pick from the center out, not from the other side of the string into the center.

Just start practising alternate picking speed every day and before you know it you'll be playing them just as fast as Joe smile

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1st: There's a nice tool called http://www.guitarspeed.com/ - Guitar Speed Trainer.
It's not that expensive and it let you train single & alternate picking, pattern, appeggios, chromatic etc.
Very useful tool!

Joe's fast licks often are in the pentatonic scale with added nineth, sometimes combinated with dorian and minor tones (b6/#6).
And 2ndly there are his special patterns he uses e.g. in Woke up dreaming and his violin-like blues deluxe pre-solo...

Here are my tabbed songs by "Smokin' Joe": http://www.jbonamassa.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=7236
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Re: Joe's 3 Note Per String Runs

JBJHJM wrote:

1st: There's a nice tool called http://www.guitarspeed.com/ - Guitar Speed Trainer.
It's not that expensive and it let you train single & alternate picking, pattern, appeggios, chromatic etc.
Very useful tool!

Joe's fast licks often are in the pentatonic scale with added nineth, sometimes combinated with dorian and minor tones (b6/#6).
And 2ndly there are his special patterns he uses e.g. in Woke up dreaming and his violin-like blues deluxe pre-solo...


That sounds like a handy tool ,BUT forgive me for sounding negative but is it possible that
the speed restriction may lie in the player, for example I could practise running everyday but I
WILL never be an athlete surely everyone has their limitations. when you watch some of the shredders
the speed is phenomenal I know I could never play that fast.

LOVED YOUR TABS JBJHJM that must have taken some time and effort how did you manage to
   work some of those fast licks out ?

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Well, of course not everyone is capable of learning it, but really many shredders can play faster than Joe because they focus alot on speed, I'm talking about random people. Also short 3 note licks are easier than playing long runs across the fretboard

Re: Joe's 3 Note Per String Runs

ZampraZ wrote:

Well, of course not everyone is capable of learning it, but really many shredders can play faster than Joe because they focus alot on speed, I'm talking about random people. Also short 3 note licks are easier than playing long runs across the fretboard

cool
      zampraz I take it you can play this ? ???

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I don't think playing fast guitar is something only some genetically gifted people can do...if you sit down with your metronome and run scales for a solid hour a day you would have it down in less than 6 months.

"Music is the only thing that you can share with a million million people and you don't lose, you gain. It helps you to get energy and to live long, because when your soul is very happy then you don't want to die." - Ali Akbar Khan

12 (edited by JBJHJM 2009-03-29 02:39:02)

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SOFTMC wrote:

That sounds like a handy tool ,BUT forgive me for sounding negative but is it possible that
the speed restriction may lie in the player, for example I could practise running everyday but I
WILL never be an athlete surely everyone has their limitations. when you watch some of the shredders
the speed is phenomenal I know I could never play that fast.

LOVED YOUR TABS JBJHJM that must have taken some time and effort how did you manage to
   work some of those fast licks out ?

It's right, there are some restrictions, but if you'd only shred one note you'll see it's not very hard to play sixteenth notes at 180BPM... the big problem is, if you want to play more than one note ( xD ) you'll have to get a great timing and combination of your hands.

How to get the right notes out of the lick: turn up the volume, listen carefully and write down the lick note to note...
How to learn these licks: I have to admit - I can't perfectly play e.g. the 32th note runs at 90BPM in Just Got Paid, they are very hard to play, and they'll sound very sloppy if you don't pick every single note perfectly - but it's fun to train them...

But I only play electric guitar for 2-3 years now - before that I played classical guitar and never used a pick tongue

Danny, you're right. To play that fast is mostly a thing of training and routine, and if you can train half a hour a day, you'll get faster (and every day). I promise it!

I like this tool very much cause it let you train not only chromatics or patterns (that would be wrong! You have to train chromatic scales, "geometry" scales, patterns, arpeggios, and even random licks to get a real success...

Here are my tabbed songs by "Smokin' Joe": http://www.jbonamassa.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=7236
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Hey Guys,

    If you are using Windows Media Player to play Tunes, there is a built-in feature that allows you to slow things way down. Also, a pretty useful EQ Section. So you can really focus on the parts you want.

    Here's where it is:

    1. Open Windows Media Player

    2. In the top left corner, right click on the words "Windows Media Player"

    3. Left click on "View"

    4. Left click on "Enhancements"

    There are a few other features located there. also.

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Re: Joe's 3 Note Per String Runs

I used to use Windows Media to tab out Randy Rhoad's solos...that was before I discovered Winamp. I use Winamp with the Pacemaker plugin to slow things down, and even change the pitch if I like. When running a lick over and over and over again I use the Loopmaster plugin. You choose where you want the loop to start and end and then just let it go. Slow that down using Pacemaker and you're golden.

"Music is the only thing that you can share with a million million people and you don't lose, you gain. It helps you to get energy and to live long, because when your soul is very happy then you don't want to die." - Ali Akbar Khan

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I use Samplitude 8SE, I found it as a supplement in a computer magazine, and it's pretty useful, cause it's a professional sound editor and mixing studio, you can loop parts in there just if you mark the part you wanna loop in the editor, and if you slow-down with win media player it'll sound awfull, if u use a professional software, it will sound much better...

Here are my tabbed songs by "Smokin' Joe": http://www.jbonamassa.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=7236
I LIKE MUSIC! big_smile big_smile big_smile

Re: Joe's 3 Note Per String Runs

JBJHJM wrote:

I use Samplitude 8SE, I found it as a supplement in a computer magazine, and it's pretty useful, cause it's a professional sound editor and mixing studio, you can loop parts in there just if you mark the part you wanna loop in the editor, and if you slow-down with win media player it'll sound awfull, if u use a professional software, it will sound much better...

Hmm I'll check this out...

"Music is the only thing that you can share with a million million people and you don't lose, you gain. It helps you to get energy and to live long, because when your soul is very happy then you don't want to die." - Ali Akbar Khan

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Danny! wrote:

I don't think playing fast guitar is something only some genetically gifted people can do...if you sit down with your metronome and run scales for a solid hour a day you would have it down in less than 6 months.

TRIED PRACTISING WITH A METRONOME TODAY GOT THE LICK AT MEDIUM SPEED

I WILL PERCIVERE THANKS GUYS

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Re: Joe's 3 Note Per String Runs

Most people are not patient enough to ever reach such a level of speed and accuracy. You will not have to practice 6h per day. Here's how you can proceed, all you need is a metronome.  Determine a target speed, let us say 100 bpm. Start with playing at 25% of the speed for at least 5 times. This means 10 sessions à 10-15 minutes. I know it can get boring, but the result will be awesome. If you play a little session everyday,  you will switch to 30% on after 5-6 days. 30% in this case is 30bpm. Only move on when you play the lick accurate. If you wanna play fast you have to learn how to play slow first. Carefully control your alternate picking. This is very crucial. If you hang in there for let us say 4 weeks (don't forget some breaks in between to let the learned material getting settled in your head...) you will love your licks!