Re: Is the world going to the dogs?

If everyone took time for others, the world would be less violent and a better place. How many of us actually spend time helping the community (I mean really helping), the only way to change something is to do something about it. We can spend all day long wirting about what is wrong on forums, it will solve nothing. For instance giving up just one day a month can make a big difference, take on a mentoring roll for a troubled child/teen, it is rewarding and showing such a person a better world for day, does open their eyes. Ponting fingers and doing nothing is pointless.
There are 1000s of schemes justing waiting for all of our help......

38 (edited by BluesMan 2009-03-15 20:06:28)

Re: Is the world going to the dogs?

Eva´s Dad wrote:

I am a psychotherapist and I don´t know, too. Is it "the society" which makes an originally innocent child evil - by poor parenting, restrictive norms etc etc - or is man born as wolf who needs education to become a human being?? An ancient philosophical question. In any way: teaching kids how to handle conflicts, frustrations and negative feelings instead of stuffing them only with outer knowledge would help us a lot.
Günter

As always, words of wisdom from one who knows. Thank you Günter for saying in a few words, what many of us have been trying to say in many.

Roy

Joe is the Best!

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Re: Is the world going to the dogs?

I think he actually said he doesn't know.....too tongue

BluesMan wrote:
Eva´s Dad wrote:

I am a psychotherapist and I don´t know, too. Is it "the society" which makes an originally innocent child evil - by poor parenting, restrictive norms etc etc - or is man born as wolf who needs education to become a human being?? An ancient philosophical question. In any way: teaching kids how to handle conflicts, frustrations and negative feelings instead of stuffing them only with outer knowledge would help us a lot.
Günter

As always, words of wisdom from one who knows. Thank you Günter for saying in a few words, what many of us have been trying to say in many.

Roy

never give up, never slow down
never grow old, never ever die young

Re: Is the world going to the dogs?

gsj wrote:

I think he actually said he doesn't know.....too tongue
Roy

Well spotted that man. big_smile

RIP Iron Man

Rock On and keep the Faith

41 (edited by BluesMan 2009-03-16 02:36:34)

Re: Is the world going to the dogs?

I disagree Geoff, read Günter's words again. He clearly states "In any way: teaching kids how to handle conflicts, frustrations and negative feelings instead of stuffing them only with outer knowledge would help us a lot." If you think he is saying he "doesn't know" with those words, then I really don't know what to say as a response to you.

Of course, I'm sure you're much smarter than I am. Are you a trained and educated psychotherapist too, that has dealt with individual's violent behavioral patterns? Come on Geoff, you are, aren't you?

By the way, here's a tongue back at you. tongue And a bit of a laugh too..... lol

Roy


gsj wrote:

I think he actually said he doesn't know.....too tongue

BluesMan wrote:
Eva´s Dad wrote:

I am a psychotherapist and I don´t know, too. Is it "the society" which makes an originally innocent child evil - by poor parenting, restrictive norms etc etc - or is man born as wolf who needs education to become a human being?? An ancient philosophical question. In any way: teaching kids how to handle conflicts, frustrations and negative feelings instead of stuffing them only with outer knowledge would help us a lot.
Günter

As always, words of wisdom from one who knows. Thank you Günter for saying in a few words, what many of us have been trying to say in many.

Roy

Joe is the Best!

Re: Is the world going to the dogs?

I will state it as " I don't know either." Dogs have their own way of handling misbehavior among the pack. Luckly they have the Dog Whisperer to sort the odd one out.

Raising a good citizen of society is a group effort. Parents that care schools that care and a kid willing to listen to people that can help them make the right choices. In the end it is the responsibility for the individual to make the right decisions. Too often they have excuses for bad behavior not remorse.

I grew up with little parental supervision. I would argue that the 50's and 60's as a whole had pretty lax supervision. We ran the neiborhoods till it was too dark to see. I knew very few of my friends parents. As long as we didn't burn the house down and didn't blast the stereo too loud anything pretty much went.  Not many of us went on to murder our family, friends or our coworkers.

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jim m wrote:

I grew up with little parental supervision. I would argue that the 50's and 60's as a whole had pretty lax supervision. We ran the neiborhoods till it was too dark to see. I knew very few of my friends parents. As long as we didn't burn the house down and didn't blast the stereo too loud anything pretty much went.  Not many of us went on to murder our family, friends or our coworkers.

That´s probably the point Jim ... too much "parental supervision" may not be good for a kid either. My dad would agree, I´m sure. wink

Eva

Re: Is the world going to the dogs?

Maybe my last post wasn´t clear enough. It is indeed a mixed message. I don´t know where evil is coming from: there are a lot of philosophical and psychological speculations but nobody knows really. I do know how to do therapy with aggressive people. But most important imo would be prevention, to teach kids to handle negative and (self-)destructive feelings.
The interesting question is who should do that: school, churches, special coaches??? The parents can´t give anything to their kids what they haven´t got themselves. Jim, I agree that ongoing parental presence or even forced "educational" effort is not necessary and - in some cases -even contraproductive. Kids are learning by the model parents give.
Günter

Rock On and Keep the Faith

45 (edited by BluesMan 2009-03-16 15:38:16)

Re: Is the world going to the dogs?

This time I'll just say, well said Günter! wink

Roy

Joe is the Best!

Re: Is the world going to the dogs?

jim m wrote:

I will state it as " I don't know either." Dogs have their own way of handling misbehavior among the pack. Luckly they have the Dog Whisperer to sort the odd one out.

Raising a good citizen of society is a group effort. Parents that care schools that care and a kid willing to listen to people that can help them make the right choices. In the end it is the responsibility for the individual to make the right decisions. Too often they have excuses for bad behavior not remorse.

I grew up with little parental supervision. I would argue that the 50's and 60's as a whole had pretty lax supervision. We ran the neiborhoods till it was too dark to see. I knew very few of my friends parents. As long as we didn't burn the house down and didn't blast the stereo too loud anything pretty much went.  Not many of us went on to murder our family, friends or our coworkers.

Very true Jim, but when we were growing up we didn't have the graphic violence of Freddie Kruger in the movies we watched, we didn't have violent video games. Hanging out with buddies and raising a little hell, yes that was just part of growing up.
But if one of your classmates pi$$ed you off, did you ever have any urge to go home and grab your dad's shotgun and kill as
many people in school as you could? I doubt it. Who knows what goes on in the minds of kids who play video games for 8 hours each day, killing thousands of space aliens, cops or enemy soldiers? At what point do these kids just lose touch with reality?

Major Tom to ground control...

Re: Is the world going to the dogs?

RICjunkie wrote:

I doubt it. Who knows what goes on in the minds of kids who play video games for 8 hours each day, killing thousands of space aliens, cops or enemy soldiers? At what point do these kids just lose touch with reality?

Hey Tom,

You're right, we may never know for sure what the cause is. Maybe it has something to do with the parents losing touch with the kids and in turn the kids losing tough with them. Then add bad outside influences and maybe with the right kid, it all goes wrong. Just like the two young men who killed students and teachers in Columbine. They had weapons and were buidling bombs in their parent's garage. How can that happen without anyone knowing?

Roy

Joe is the Best!

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Nope, you're wrong. He actually said he doesn't know. He even confirmed it.

BluesMan wrote:

I disagree Geoff, read Günter's words again. He clearly states "In any way: teaching kids how to handle conflicts, frustrations and negative feelings instead of stuffing them only with outer knowledge would help us a lot." If you think he is saying he "doesn't know" with those words, then I really don't know what to say as a response to you.

Of course, I'm sure you're much smarter than I am. Are you a trained and educated psychotherapist too, that has dealt with individual's violent behavioral patterns? Come on Geoff, you are, aren't you?

By the way, here's a tongue back at you. tongue And a bit of a laugh too..... lol

Roy


gsj wrote:

I think he actually said he doesn't know.....too tongue

BluesMan wrote:

As always, words of wisdom from one who knows. Thank you Günter for saying in a few words, what many of us have been trying to say in many.

Roy

never give up, never slow down
never grow old, never ever die young

Re: Is the world going to the dogs?

Whatever Geoff....

Roy

gsj wrote:

Nope, you're wrong. He actually said he doesn't know. He even confirmed it.

BluesMan wrote:

I disagree Geoff, read Günter's words again. He clearly states "In any way: teaching kids how to handle conflicts, frustrations and negative feelings instead of stuffing them only with outer knowledge would help us a lot." If you think he is saying he "doesn't know" with those words, then I really don't know what to say as a response to you.

Of course, I'm sure you're much smarter than I am. Are you a trained and educated psychotherapist too, that has dealt with individual's violent behavioral patterns? Come on Geoff, you are, aren't you?

By the way, here's a tongue back at you. tongue And a bit of a laugh too..... lol

Roy


gsj wrote:

I think he actually said he doesn't know.....too tongue

Joe is the Best!

50 (edited by gsj 2009-03-16 22:12:15)

Re: Is the world going to the dogs?

"Of course, I'm sure you're much smarter than I am. Are you a trained and educated psychotherapist too, that has dealt with individual's violent behavioral patterns? Come on Geoff, you are, aren't you?"

Roy, chill out dude, life's too short.

Jeez...'whatever'.....it's like having a conversation with my daughter when she was in her teens smile

Relax, too much angst is bad for your health.

But FYI, yes I am well educated actually and I have had experience of dealing with the violent behaviour patterns of individuals. As for trained....I'm a parent.....go figure!

never give up, never slow down
never grow old, never ever die young

51 (edited by BluesMan 2009-03-16 23:38:28)

Re: Is the world going to the dogs?

gsj wrote:

"Roy, chill out dude, life's too short.

Jeez...'whatever'.....it's like having a conversation with my daughter when she was in her teens smile

Funny Geoff, I was thinking the same thing and I do have a daughter who is now 17. lol

As for "chilling out", I'm as "cool as a cucumber" and as "happy as a lark".  smile

Roy

Joe is the Best!