Is the world going to the dogs? (Page 2 of 3)

Good point Spider,

Sorry to anyone who found my comment controversial, I still believe it but realise we should stay out of that kind of discussion.  Peace to all

Bill S wrote:

Geko wrote:

im sorry that i hear that  from you Bill ....read some Wild West storys  or what ever to fullfill your opinion of use a gun .......

my opinion is : that a gun is only made to Kill some one ..dosent matter whom.... and that is never acceptable

Peace

Geko,
I find it interesting that you immediately assumed I was pro-gun...how did you decide that?

yes you are right in my had exist´s maby a wrong Picture of the average American
who  wear a gun to protect His home and Familie
and i thought you are pro guns because you sayed you dont want to get this in a gun law discussion

thats why i thought you are pro guns
but now im glad that you dont .......

but i think the world ethics  goes to the Dog ...to get back to the topic

Greenose wrote:

gsj wrote:

I heard on the news that the parents of the kid in Germany had in excess of 18 guns in the house. Why on earth do people feel the need to keep stuff like that around and if they have to have it then can't they keep it very securely locked up.

I agree with gsj to an extent here.  One of the earliest school shootings I was aware of was here in Scotland, nearly 13 years ago in Dunblane. As quoted from the BBC headline:
Thomas Hamilton kills 16 five- and six-year-old children and their teacher during a three-minute killing spree in a primary school gymnasium before shooting himself dead. The attack sparks a huge outcry in the UK and leads to laws making it illegal in the UK to buy or possess most types of handguns.

While there are clearly underlying mental problems with the people concerned and family issues in each individual case, the change of gun laws has so far prevented a repeat in this type of tragedy in the UK.  Sadly this has happened previously in both Germany and the USA.  Seems to me, the best form of protection is not to own a gun, but to make sure noone else does...

Uh oh! I sure hope this topic doesn't become a debate on gun laws. I have my own opinions, just don't want to see it debated here.

I am posting this to give some information that what is happening in Mexico is really different than the other two examples. This is more of the "organized armed group" perpetrating crimes against humanity catagory.  This isn't business as usual in Mexico anymore, this is a Government and People that are under siege that will need world intervention.  I am just stating this because this is a much bigger problem than most here know.

....but just as controversial as gun laws are the drug war laws and i read an interesting article in the economist
http://www.economist.com/opinion/displa … extfeature

Curby wrote:

This thread unfortunately will probably be closed soon.  Gun control is right up there with religion and politics.  My brief opinion on this subject is it's the erosion of the family that's at the root of the problem - not weapons.  More parenting, plus quality time spent with our children and less time spent watching/playing violent video games (that desensitize), would be a step in the right direction.

You hit the nail on the head Curby.

What is it that differentiates human from animals?

It's civilization, or in other words, the act of being civil to others. This is not ingrained in our consciousness from the moment of conception. Civility is learned. From interaction with loving parents, siblings, friends,etc.  Let a baby be raised by a pack of wolves and in essence, that baby will grow up as a wolf. Nothing deep there.

Nowadays, parents prop the kid in front of a television from the time they're old enough to be distracted and the child gains more of it's inner culture from electronic media (TV shows, video games, gangsta rap) than from it's parents. I'm amazed there aren't more of these mass murders going on.

Take that kid and have absentee parents or ones that don't give a crap about it's upbringing and that kid won't know what love is and grow up with anti-social behavior. These social outcasts wind up gravitating together into gangs. When you grow up with no sense of social mores (what is considered unacceptible behavior), it's not that big of a step to lash out violently (even to the point of murder sprees) when he feels he's been wronged.

Then we can always get into the religious argument about whose god is the true god and why everyone who doesn't believe in your religion either needs to be converted or have his head chopped off because he won't. Justification of murdering another human on religious grounds is just pathetic.

Guns do not cause antisocial behavior. They are only a convenient means to achieving an end result.

Do us all a favor. If you do have children, please love them. Spend some quality time with them and if they're acting out try to find out the reason why and rectify the situation. If you have a friend or neighbor who ignore their kids, call them out on it! Nothing new here. It's just that nobody needs a license to bring children into the world.

If you ignore your kid and don't raise him properly and the kid goes out and blows someone else away, you're just as guilty as he is. Yes, I think a few people are basically evil. I don't know what it is. Genetic defects? Chemical imbalances? I'm not a psychiatrist.

I try to stay out of these deep discussions, but had to get this off my chest.

End of rant. Now I can start thinking happy thoughts again.    Like my next JB concert. In London with a whole bunch of Bonabuds.