• From: Sonoma Ca.
  • Registered: 2007-08-20
  • Posts: 551

Topic: Venue Owners and there Games GGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

I have been doing this for some time now I put together my first big show in 1979 Journey and Y&T and I got to tell ya the stupid little Games that these idiots play are lame poor business practice is all it gets down too as soon as I say I need a grantee for my clients some just stop responding to you and other think that they can wait you out (Like they are the only gig in town) others think that there place is so good that you should kiss there A$$ just for letting you client play there are you kidding me lets see one minute your hot for my client and then your not,  what he should drive his a$$ from Texas with know grantee why would he and why would I except it Blah Just ranting every time I have brought out of state talent in its been a successful show for both so why with some of these A$$ H0!e$ do we have to play this lame game every time get reall I truly wounder how they make any money oh thats right lets get a Dj%#^#$#$&$$ Bleh

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  • From: Heading west on 80....
  • Registered: 2006-04-21
  • Posts: 864

Re: Venue Owners and there Games GGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Not sure its always a game.

Guarantees are in the eye of the beholder. Might be hard for a venue to book an unknown artist, with unknown results in their venue while providing a guarantee against money that might not come in.

If the artist isn't unknown, then what kind of reputation does he have? Has anyone ever heard of him? How many will buy tickets? Whats his latest CD? Did it sell? Is it on the radio?

Other than showing up to play, what does the artist bring to the table from a business standpoint?

Unless the artist could answer these questions with good answers that made sense for my business, I wouldn't provide a guarantee either. Maybe after he's played a few times and built a following, each show getting bigger, etc. Then I might offer a guarantee. Of course, at that point a guarantee might not be needed. Vicious cycle.

Surely its frustrating. You probably know a lot more about this than I do, but at the end of the day it sounds as if you want it more than the venue owner wants it. That equals no guarantee.

As a promoter you also have to be careful what artists you hitch your wagon to....a few episodes of booking "No Show" Jones (as George Jones used to be known...due to drinking/drugs) and your credibility is shot.

Just my 1.5 centavos worth (devalued 2 cents)

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  • From: Edgewater, FL
  • Registered: 2007-12-08
  • Posts: 5,046

Re: Venue Owners and there Games GGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Yeah It's a game, you know that well if you've been doing it a while.  But you just needed to rant.  It's cool.

I do it too.  Sometimes you have to start a little smaller or deal with a set that has no problem doing biz the way you want to.

It works the other way too.  Most "artists" are so enamored with themselves, they have a poor work ethic and even less professionalism.

A lot of performers in my county hate me, because I tell 'em what to do for their money and if they don't I fire them, bad mouth them and never use them again for any reason.

Petty & vindictive???  Sure is!  But one must not mess with my reputation or my income...

The other side of that coin is pros come out of the shadows if the word is out that I have something working, cause I pay them & promote them.

As a result I don't have to play games with most backers anymore.  The fact that I'm a musician and a player doesn't hurt.  BUT...it's still strictly bidness.

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  • From: Sonoma Ca.
  • Registered: 2007-08-20
  • Posts: 551

Re: Venue Owners and there Games GGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

bigjeffjones wrote:

Yeah It's a game, you know that well if you've been doing it a while.  But you just needed to rant.  It's cool.

I do it too.  Sometimes you have to start a little smaller or deal with a set that has no problem doing biz the way you want to.

It works the other way too.  Most "artists" are so enamored with themselves, they have a poor work ethic and even less professionalism.

A lot of performers in my county hate me, because I tell 'em what to do for their money and if they don't I fire them, bad mouth them and never use them again for any reason.

Petty & vindictive???  Sure is!  But one must not mess with my reputation or my income...

The other side of that coin is pros come out of the shadows if the word is out that I have something working, cause I pay them & promote them.

As a result I don't have to play games with most backers anymore.  The fact that I'm a musician and a player doesn't hurt.  BUT...it's still strictly bidness.

tisgood
yestis

yeah true that now hes calling not wanting to put him in his venue on a bread and butter night just so happens I ve been there a couple of Saturday nights lately and my band could have drawn better then who he had Bleh

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