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Joe Bonamassa is by far my favorite musician.  When people ask me what my favorite kind of music is, I say it's the "Joe Bonamassa kind".  I love the guitar, I love the voice, I love the song selection, I love the variety on the CDs, I love the accompanying sound of the bass and the drums.  And up until recently I've held the man, Joe Bonamassa, in high regard.  Beyond his music, one of the things that made me follow the man so regularily, one of the reasons why I've promoted him, handed out CDs, wrote letters, sang his praises was because he was so great to his fans.  Staying after shows to sign autographs, taking time to have his picture taken with his fans, coming and posting on the board... those were all things that made his music so much sweeter.

After getting up this morning and reading 2 very different posts - one by the disgrunteled fan in KC who thinks Joe was an arse... and the other from a mom who said her 6 year old thinks Joe is his hero... I've reflected on my time as a JB fan.  I have to tell you, fellow JB followers, I am not happy with the direction Joe is deciding to take as of late.  I was at Mill Creek recently and astonished to find out that JB didn't come back in to sign anything.  Joe didn't even mingle with his fans - he chose the back door route.  He choose to sit in his bus for hours instead of meeting his eager fans.  This is just one example.  I have plenty of others that I prefer not to air here.  If you've been a close follower for awhile, you know what I'm talking about. 

Joe Bonamassa, if you're reading this, please take heed, please stop the madness right now.  You got where you are because you are a damn good musician... but you also got where you are because of your fans.  Don't forget that.  Humble up again buddy... quickly too.  You may not think so, but in the long run I bet you would hate to loose some folks in Wisconsin as fans.

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I saw him this last Wednesday in Tulsa and he was absolutely amazing to his fans. He even was out before the show talking to some folks. Maybe everybody has their off-nights where they just don't feel good or feel like talking. Honestly, Joe's done it so much and we've heard it so much that now I guess we expect him to come out EVERY time. Don't get down on someone when you haven't walked in their shoes. He's always on the road, constantly on the road. That has got to be taxing. I don't know, I've never done it, but I know that a 7 and a half hour roundtrip from Russellville to Tulsa and back was absolutely exhausting for me. I can't imagine doing that the next night, it was a two day recovery for me. It would be nice if he did go out for EVERY show, and most of the time, he does go out. And granted, some people it may be their only time of seeing Joe, I empathize with that. But we have to realize what he was doing the night before, and what he's going to be doing the night after, and so on. Realizing that, I can begrudge him a select few times where he doesn't do that, or is grouchy. Touring can bring out the worst in people, shoot just look at Behind The Music and that is clear.

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I saw Joe & Co. at The Surf just a short time ago.  He and the gang were all very hospitable, warm and fuzzy.   If you want to talk about "uncool" try Tesla who followed him and they were only 2 hrs. late for the gig...no explanation....now that's something to complain about in my book....listened to one of their songs and left...

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Well, I've just seen 3 fantastic shows this past week.  Dallas, Fort Worth and Ardmore.  I'm not going to make any excuses for Joe, but I do know he hasn't been feeling well lately.  However, that being said, he was there before and after, all of those shows.  Check out the slide shows from Z man, as I call him.  Pics of his son with Joe, before and after each show.  Also check to see how soaking wet he is at the end of a show.  He goes to his motor coach and freshens up a bit, he doesn't want to offend anyone, so he changes clothes before meeting his fans after each show.  I've seen almost 20 shows now, and not once has he not come out to sign autographs, have pics taken, or just to sit and talk.  Enough said! 

Barry

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Kristine:  We were at the Mill Creek show as well.  Yes Joe left by the back door and went to the bus to change cloths.  He immediatly came out of the bus and as usual sign autographs, posed for pictures etc.  It was pretty hot in the club and we all felt cooler on the sidewalk by the bus.  Joe wasn't feeling well and he really gave a great show.  He was probably hotter than any of the fans in the club!
Joe was his usual fan friendly self as expected.  I don't remember if Joe had a cigar or not but if he did it would be another reason to be outside.  There is a no smoking ban in any public facility in Appleton.  Imagine.....a blues club, smoke free!  Whoda thunk that would ever happen!

Anyway, give Joe a little break here.  How did you leave the club and not see Joe and the crowd of fans?

Sun

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Deezer wrote:

I saw him this last Wednesday in Tulsa and he was absolutely amazing to his fans. He even was out before the show talking to some folks. Maybe everybody has their off-nights where they just don't feel good or feel like talking. Honestly, Joe's done it so much and we've heard it so much that now I guess we expect him to come out EVERY time. Don't get down on someone when you haven't walked in their shoes. He's always on the road, constantly on the road. That has got to be taxing. I don't know, I've never done it, but I know that a 7 and a half hour roundtrip from Russellville to Tulsa and back was absolutely exhausting for me. I can't imagine doing that the next night, it was a two day recovery for me. It would be nice if he did go out for EVERY show, and most of the time, he does go out. And granted, some people it may be their only time of seeing Joe, I empathize with that. But we have to realize what he was doing the night before, and what he's going to be doing the night after, and so on. Realizing that, I can begrudge him a select few times where he doesn't do that, or is grouchy. Touring can bring out the worst in people, shoot just look at Behind The Music and that is clear.

Mr. Deezer........again sage words.

It doesn't always go the way fans think it should and as humans our focus tends to be what is within our own eyesite (point of view). Nobody is perfect or the same all the time, but I do know the effort is there and it is always on Joe's mind.

Just a little over a week ago Joe did a show in Dallas, drove all night to Houston to be woken up early for a morning show live radio broadcast. Joe did the show without much rest or consideration and after coming off of several shows in a row and not enough rest for his voice, almost hurt himself doing the radio show. Joe spent the rest of the day trying to loosen up his voice and get medical clearance to sing. All of that time he should have been sleeping. Once he got sort of loosened up and OK from the Dr., Joe proceeded with the show. I know it wasn't comfortable and Joe couldn't do the things he is accustomed to doing with his voice, but he toughed it out and did the show. Afterwards he spent almost an hour at the merchandise booth signing and posing for pictures with fans. I'm sure Joe may not appreciate me sharing that story, but I think it's essential to having some understanding.

I guarantee you that will be overlooked if the next day he didn't come out to greet fans or was cranky to the local crew. No one is aware of the factors that are leading up to certain events, other than Joe. The above is just an example.

I believe that some of the extra things that Joe has done over the years, that truly seperate him from the next guy, have given his fans a sense of entitlement and therefore when he doesn't live up to that people feel shorted when they really were treated to a great show for the price of admission.

A couple of years ago the gear trailer broke a spring and dragged the ground. They were on the way to a gig. They loaded gear in the van and left it. The van had a flat. Joe rented 2 cars and loaded the gear into them and I'm sure drove like hell to get to the venue at a reasonable time. The show went on. I could cite 20 examples of similiar incidences and I guarantee you I have only a small window into what has gone on.

I think Joe is humble and appreciative and feels the pressure associated with living up to it.

I don't know of another artist that has maintained such a rigorous schedule of touring, writing, recording and appearances, other than Joe. Think about the number of shows, store appearances, radio appearances, CD's, guest appearances on CD's that have been put out in the last 5 years. An amazing number. Granted, he has chosen to do so, but I think as time wears on we have to be considerate of that and understand nobody is 100% all the time.

Can Joe do a better job at some of these things? Maybe - there is room for improvement in everything. Can we be a little more understanding and less judgemental? Maybe, as well.

Just a little food for thought.


PC

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Amazing how people expect performers to be at their beck and call because they are enamored with them.  Perhaps Joe was sick, came on, performed as he should, and then went back to the bus so he could be sick in private, instead of all over his fans.  Ever had the bug?  Maybe days on end on the road caused him to be less than cordial on an occasion or three.  I suffer from good days and less than good days myself. 

We listened to Joe play for two hours NONSTOP on Friday night.  The drummer and bass dude took a break, but Joe got the acoustic and played on solo while they did their business.  I don't know what else anyone could ask for from a performer.  We bought our CD's before the concert and did not hang around to elbow our way into the by then alcohol inflicted crowd to get an autograph.  Never figured why anyone has to have a signature from anyone else unless it makes it worth more on Ebay when they sell it.

Whenever a performer stands up before me and gives it their all for two hours NONSTOP that pretty much gives me my money's worth.  I don't expect anything else from them.  If they chose to hang and sign autographs, great.  If they need to get on down the road to the next performance, great.  If they want to just go and sit on their butt for awhile after giving it their all, great!  Not sure I would want to put up with annebriated crowds after giving my all either. 

Personally our group of eight went down to a local club and supported Show of Hands (local group) after Joe's show and continued the Friday night party which was appreciated by the locals. 

Perhaps we should reel in our feelings some and consider the feelings of the performer.  Perhaps most of this board is not old enough to remember, but back in the day when you heard "Elvis Has Left the Building", it meant just that.  Dude left with no autographs, no thank you's, and the ticket price was a hell of a lot higher than Joe's even today.  Never been to the Stones so don't know if Mick hangs out with the locals for autographs or not.  He probably should for a $300 ticket, but I doubt it.

How about we give Joe and company a break?

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Give Joe a break. Seen him at Mill Creek, Oneida Casino, Shank Hall...all in Wisconsin and always made time for the fans. Heck, at Shank Hall at one of the *cold* shows he gave everyone in line waiting to get in a free signature guitar pick.  Always signed anything I gave him and posed for photos.

You can't ask more from Joe, he gives us all he has.

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For the record, my autographed You & Me poster is framed with a cool Joe Harley Davidson-style logo sticker (thanks Jane) and is proudly hanging in my room. It, along with my signed setlist, is one of my prized pieces of memorbilia. But you're right, dealing with drunk people is a price you gotta pay for an autograph.

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You know, Joe is great, but not perfect. He has nights or other times when he is tired or just plain sick. He sees his fans almost every night and shakes hands with countless numbers of people and lets face it, that is the easiest way to transmit germs. Throw in the lack of sleep and Joe is a prime target for every cold and flu bug brought to his shows. But, I have yet to see him NOT brave that so he can meet and greet. He is a trooper and if he missed it ONE NIGHT, I'm sure he had a good reason. I would never presume he is going down any path that would change the way he is and the way he appreciates us.
Cion

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Maybe Joe is still trying to get over his KC gig he played on July 16th. LOL Heat exhaustion can get to anyone!

Rhonda

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How long did you wait around after the show?
Joe always comes back!
I think he's probably the most accessible artist
in the business..
He Hung out all day @ 2frogs talked, mingled, and
had dinner w/people all around him!!

13 (edited by Chris 2006-07-31 10:37:28)

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My passive aggressiveness is stopping now.

I'm getting a little sick of this.  I come back to work after a boardless weekend, and there is so much crap being thrown around. I'm tired "politely disagreeing" with people.

Kristine, you are basing your thoughts on Joe's "direction" on one show and a couple of stupid posts. You are entitled to your thoughts, but I was annoyed when you told Joe to heed warning, and humble up. You are not entitled to get a meet and greet every show you go to...his job is to play music and nobody does it better than Joe. If any musician decides to take the time to spend time with the fans, then you should consider that a bonus, not a right.

HOW DARE HE TAKE ONE SHOW AND NOT SPEND TIME WITH HIS FANS. Give me a break!!! I'm sure he wasn't tired, or sick, or maybe he just wasn't up for it that day.

99% of people love Joe, and are impressed with how humble and nice he is.

I've seen Joe play a few times when he has been extremely sick...and every time he has played thru the show and met up with fans after.  I have seen him 19 times, and every single time he stayed to meet with every fan...I do not know the circumstances for the show that you saw, so I can only speak from experience.

But Joe has bar none been the nicest musician I have ever met, the most devoted to his fans, and the most sincere guy I have ever spoken with. In no way am I worried about his "direction."

No matter how well you know someone, you can only ever guess.  How can you ever really know somebody else? It takes more than a lifetime just to get to know yourself.  Nobody knows the meaning of loneliness.  - Van Morrison

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I've got to side with Chris here. Kristine, you are certainly entitled to your opinions and you're free to share them here. I would hope that you're fully, "In the know" if you're passing judgement. Often times it's easy to form an opinion based on an isolated incident and/or heresay, and then interpret that moment (or 2nd hand comment) as a true and accurate representation of some other person's overall attitude, value system and/or philosophy. Often times (if not most times) there's more to the story. Hell, I don't always accurately perceive the actions of my own wife, and she's my best friend.

15 (edited by misterlee 2006-07-31 11:54:22)

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I think a lot of people don't realize how hard touring actually is, when you as a fan go home to your house and sleep, the band and crew have to travel who knows how far, set up the circus and do it again, you do that 200+ nights a year, year after year and see how "fresh" you are. Being on the road is fun about the first two weeks and the last night of the tour.

The main point I am making is it is not personal even though you may have looked forward to the show for weeks and it is easy to be let down when you feel "slighted" by an entertainer but keep in mind when you are in the public eye you can't always accomodate everyone no matter how hard you try... Cancelled performances, not mingling with the fans, being sick and still having to play, etc. -  it all happens every day on the road.

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It feels like "piling on", but I need to get my two cents in. I've been to 11 shows and Joe has stuck around to meet/greet/sign at everyone of them...and always very gracious and accommodating.
When Joe got sick and had to cancel a Shank Hall show last October, he made up for it by rescheduling a few weeks later, at the end of the tour. My guess is that he might have preferred ending a lengthy tour on time, rather than extending it to make up a show.

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17 (edited by The Rivercat 2006-08-01 11:53:31)

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Welcome Aboard Patti.   I have to ask you about Tesla.  You said they were 2 hours late for the gig?  What time do you think they were suppose to start the show and what time do you say they actually started the show?  I'm curious.   There is suppose to be some down time between the opening band and the set-up for the Headliner.  I heard Tesla took the stage 1 hour and 15 minutes after Joe got off the stage.   The roadies had set the stage up by 10pm, and there was no activity for another 30 mins.  If  you subtract the actual band set-up time, which is at almost every concert,  they weren't actually that late as far as concerts go.  Iowa was in the heatwave, which made it hot and humid inside and that can make can make people more uncomfortable.  Alot of people were anxious and hot.

Just to let you know, Frank Hannon of Tesla was sick that day and that was one of the reasons for the late start. 
In fact, not to long after, Jeff Keith got sick and that show had to be cancelled.  And what's great about Tesla is they rescheduled that show immediately so as not to disappoint their fans.  I'm sorry for your disappointment at the Tesla Show and glad you found Joe B.  I know they try to do their best and I hope you may give them another chance.  But if not, glad you found Joe.



I can say personally that Tesla has been a very consistant band in playing on time, putting on a great show and giving all they have.  They are very nice guys and do alot for their fans.  They do have a meet and greet after different shows.

Also they do benefit concerts in the local community.  One, which was very cool was a local fundraising drive for the Leukemia Society where the local radio station auctioned off Tesla.  The highest bidder got a private Tesla concert in their house.  Their own private concert with whatever friends they wanted over.  Also Gary Hoey and Frank Hannon played a concert here and auctioned off a signed guitar to raise money another year for the Leukemia Society.  Tesla also raises money for the Animal Rescue Foundation.

18 (edited by A.J. 2006-08-01 12:24:08)

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You know, the more you do for people, the more they demand out of you. Joe does a hell of a lot more for his fans than ANY other musician I've ever met, supported, or paid good money to see live. 

He is the ONLY artist I've ever known of to actually do all that he does for the fans.  If I were at a show and he didnt come out to say Hi, yeah I would feel a little disappointed, just 'cause I like talking to him, but I certainly would NOT hold it against him, he IS a person outside of being a musician, ya know... there could be a dozen reasons why he didn't come out that night, things come up. SO WHAT if he left .  He put on a killer show, I'm betting.  What more do you need?

I think way too many people have gotten a little too demanding of the man. It's his life, and his career, so people back off- let him be himself and live his life the way he sees fit.  Cause one day the fans are going to expect so much they're gonna wear the guy out completely, if it hasn't started happening already.