Topic: Noticed something about Joe's playing...

I just recently realized that Joe rarely seems to use his pinkey while playing (lead).  That, to me, makes it even more amazing that he can pull off the licks he does...Very interesting.  I wonder if he consciously chose to develop his style like that or if it just came more natural to him to do that.


Oh Joe how in the hell do you do these amazing feats of precision dexterity?!?!  Never ceases to amaze me.

Regardless of how you do it Joe, keep up all the great work.

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I don't know many guitarists who do use their pinkie soloing.  I only use mine if I'm bending say the B string a full step at the 12th fret and then playing the (high) E string at the 12th fret and sometimes for fast chromatic pull-offs using four notes.  I was surprised to see in a method book that Greg Koch (who by the way I think is amazing) wrote in which he teaches the G form minor pentatonic scale using the pinkie--but I never learned it that way.  I always use my ring finger for the higher notes.

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Hmm, I've always tended to use my pinkie.  Maybe I'm the odd one here!

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I use my pinky more and more.  It really comes in handy for chromatic lines, intervalic leaps, sweep lines, streached chord voicings and more.  But in the blues world, the pinky isn't as crucial.  For the longest time I NEVER used it.

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MontiusWinston wrote:

Hmm, I've always tended to use my pinkie.  Maybe I'm the odd one here!

That's not a bad thing!  I think Vette is right, it just may not be as crucial in the Blues.  I've read interviews with blues musicians where they say that their pinkie is useless.  It really is a weak digit and most people's pinkies are dependent on their ring finger.  I actually have developed quite a bit of dexterity in my pinkie but I still rarely use it.

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BluesMan wrote:

When I'm eating pizza I keep both my right and left pinkie high in the air. Manners are so important. big_smile

And I agree Fret, Greg is a great player. Going to see him and his band "Other Bad Men" perform at a benefit for Children's Hospital Friday night at Turner Hall. Little Tallan T-Man Latz will be there too:
http://turnerhallballroom.org/klh

Taking one of my sisters and my son Ben. Really looking forward to Greg and Malford Milligan doing their thing on stage together. Very similar to this:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWk_F_WD-kY
 
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I have never seen Greg perform live, but I'll catch him one of these days.  I had to teach once when he was doing a clinic a floor below me and it killed me not to ditch my students and go watch him.  The guy is hilarious too.  I love funny guys--that's why I married Craig.

I thought for sure you would be at the BB King show in Appleton this Friday.  Santa left me tickets on my tree.

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Fretwork wrote:
MontiusWinston wrote:

Hmm, I've always tended to use my pinkie.  Maybe I'm the odd one here!

That's not a bad thing!  I think Vette is right, it just may not be as crucial in the Blues.  I've read interviews with blues musicians where they say that their pinkie is useless.  It really is a weak digit and most people's pinkies are dependent on their ring finger.  I actually have developed quite a bit of dexterity in my pinkie but I still rarely use it.

Nah I didn't think it was really a bad thing.  I guess I was always under the impression that most people tended to use the "one finger/on fret" kinda thing.

After doing a few pentatonic runs without my pinkie, I think I see why.  Those quick hammer on/pull offs that are common in blues/blues-rock tend to be a bit more fluid when you use just the index and ring.  I shall work on my accuracy with this.

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Re: Noticed something about Joe's playing...

MontiusWinston wrote:
Fretwork wrote:
MontiusWinston wrote:

Hmm, I've always tended to use my pinkie.  Maybe I'm the odd one here!

That's not a bad thing!  I think Vette is right, it just may not be as crucial in the Blues.  I've read interviews with blues musicians where they say that their pinkie is useless.  It really is a weak digit and most people's pinkies are dependent on their ring finger.  I actually have developed quite a bit of dexterity in my pinkie but I still rarely use it.

Nah I didn't think it was really a bad thing.  I guess I was always under the impression that most people tended to use the "one finger/on fret" kinda thing.

After doing a few pentatonic runs without my pinkie, I think I see why.  Those quick hammer on/pull offs that are common in blues/blues-rock tend to be a bit more fluid when you use just the index and ring.  I shall work on my accuracy with this.

Sometimes my reading comprehension is so random. This whole thread I thought you were talking about using your pinky on your picking hand (for hybrid picking). The whole time I'm thinking, "Man, I have to start trying to use my pinky for picking, there must be some advantage to it!"...Anyway...

I use my pinky all the time for fretting. I don't see how it would hurt being fluid with your pinky, and getting it as independent as possible. Seems like the more tools the better. I do notice a lot of players who do wide streches don't use their pinky for anything but the wider intervals (Joe included), and I've been starting to incorporating playing more with the ring finger for that purpose.

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Re: Noticed something about Joe's playing...

It's like my guitar teacher said: "What we do is teach you the fundamentals, then it's up to you to develop your own style." Part of that is what fingers you use to make different notes. If I use my ring finger to make a note while another guy uses his pinkie, it's going to sound a lot different. The one finger one fret is the proper technique, but where you deviate from that is where you pick up your own style.

Me? I use my pinkie a little bit, only because my hands are smaller and for speed purposes I need to use it. Especially on the top strings, I just can't reach. I noticed guys like Stevie will also use their pinkie if they're going to play on the low e or a strings. Again, it's all in how it's done.

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big_smile Wha???? I usually use just the three fingers. Two were enough for Django.

Vette335 wrote:

I use my pinky more and more.  It really comes in handy for chromatic lines, intervalic leaps, sweep lines, streached chord voicings and more.  But in the blues world, the pinky isn't as crucial.  For the longest time I NEVER used it.

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for bending - i've always used three fingers at once...for power. When I started playing, my fingers weren't strong enough to bend with one finger.

I can use my pinky for notes, but its the 'lame' finger of the bunch.

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I only use mine for chords. It's too short and weak for soloing

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I do use my pinkie on the lower strings when soloing--guess I just never realized it.  I guess I was just thinking more in terms of bending the higher notes.  As far as chords, blues comping, bass runs, boogie patterns, etc., I use my pinkie constantly.  I must have "man hands". wink  Just ask Bluesman.  When we met in Wausau, I crushed his hand when I shook it!

As far as the pinkie on the picking hand goes, I encourage students to anchor that to the high E string when reaching to the 4th, 5th and 6th strings for reference.  Otherwise, they have a tendency to "float" and have to stare at their hands.  Obviously, if you are strumming this won't work.

NPB, what you are referring to is called a reinforced bend.  That also includes the thumb over the top.  Watch most guitarists solo and you will see that the index, middle and ring all move in unison like one big finger.

gsj, I love it.  "Two were enough for Django"--it's so true though.  Django was amazing.  Did you happen to catch "Django Mania"?  Some of those people went to such extremes to play like him, even taping their fingers!


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No, I haven't watched the video yet.  I have a very slow computer and it takes me like five hours to download five minutes of video.  Maybe on Friday, I'll check it out.

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I use the pinky when doing jazz lines that require big stretches, and even with faster pentatonic licks using chromatics and stuff, i guess i just learned it that way.  And yes, Greg Koch really does amaze me everytime i hear him(both on the axe and speaking...have you ever seen a guy that is so ridiculously funny and so well spoken at the same time?)  All kidding aside, greg is like a never ending source of amazing licks, once you think there cant possibly be more, yet, another completly original sounding lick pops out at you, better than the one before it.  Good stuff.
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I thought your pinky was for your nose.

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Re: Noticed something about Joe's playing...

Yeah, I'll use my pinky pretty intentionally. I picked it up seeing videos of Eric Johnson, and he uses the pinky a ton. I have a bit more versatility to skip strings and do some wide-interval stuff. Eric Johnson will get extra fussy about it and use the pinky for a certain tone in a note. If you listen very carefully, you may notice a slight difference in the sound of a note with your pinky compared to your ring finger... slight enough to the point where no one will give a crap but you about the difference. Blues runs and pentatonic scales basically don't need the pinky, but once you start to delve into quicker phrases or rock music, I like to use it.

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joemisek wrote:

Yeah, I'll use my pinky pretty intentionally. I picked it up seeing videos of Eric Johnson, and he uses the pinky a ton. I have a bit more versatility to skip strings and do some wide-interval stuff. Eric Johnson will get extra fussy about it and use the pinky for a certain tone in a note. If you listen very carefully, you may notice a slight difference in the sound of a note with your pinky compared to your ring finger... slight enough to the point where no one will give a crap but you about the difference. Blues runs and pentatonic scales basically don't need the pinky, but once you start to delve into quicker phrases or rock music, I like to use it.

Bingo. That's where you have to be a bit more "technical."

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