Which pickups did joe have in new day yesterday live? (Page 4 of 6)

Alright ZampraZ, if you are after FATNESS and in a pedal format I can definately recommend a BK Butler Tube Driver.  That is about as fat as I have found as far as OD/Distortion units go.  You don't need to spend big $$$ either on the current ones being handbuilt by BK one by one.  I have the older Tube Works BK Butler 3 knob Tube Driver and it has the fattest, smoothest, and "squishiest" overdrive I've ever heard.  I payed like $140 for mine on EBAY.  It's my "Cliffs of Dover" meets "Sloe Gin" sound.  I like how it takes a lot of the string clang out of the sound especially on the higher notes and just sings out like a human voice.  The low end compresses at just the right amount without losing too much definition.  Good luck on your tone hunt!

I will restring my Strat soon and play it through my rig to see if it kills the quack.  In my experiences the quack sounds are kind of killed when you use a lot of overdrive, especially with pedals.  For me, I don't really use the quack settings much when playing dirty but more so when I'm playing clean.  And, to make the quacky sounds more pronounced as you may have guessed the amps will have to be brighter.  So in your case there may be a tradeoff.  You may need to decide what sounds are more important to you...The quacky/clucky/bell-like strat sounds or more of the soaring lead sounds.  I am getting a little confused about which era Joe tones you are trying to replicate.  You mentioned the strats which makes me think his 1st album-->Had to Cry Today.  But then you mention the "fatness" of his sound which IMO didn't really become a staple until he used the Les Pauls exclusively.  To me his tone (and sometimes style) sounded most like SRV, EC, and Beck when he was primarily playing strats.  If you are after his current sound I would probably rethink the strats and stick with your LP.  BTW it's hard walking that fine line between the Fender and Gibson sound.  Eric Johnson has been fighting that fight for years trying to make the bridge pu of a strat sound like a PAF Gibson humbucker while getting the bell like cleans as well.  It might help if you picked a couple examples of what you are looking for?

Yeah I meant his first album up to HTCT which seems to be the last studio album that was primarily cut with the Fenders.  Yikes...man it's kind of hard to tell what's going on there when Joe is pretty much playing a few chords and the bass is going crazy.  From what I could hear it sounded like he was on the bridge pickup only and I could not hear any "quack".  The quack settings are traditionally the 2nd and 4th posistions on a Stratocaster. When I think quack I think Mark Knopfler playing "Sultans of Swing".  For that really rocking rhythm tone on a Strat though it's not a real mystery, just crank the hell out of a Marshall and put the guitar on the bridge pickup.  Joe does the mod to roll the highs off of the bridge to tame some of the highs.  If I'm not mistaken your Spider Valve has 6L6's correct?  If so that could have something to do with it...I've never had luck making my Strat sound like that until I bought a Marshall!

Check out this clip, I think it best demonstrates how Joe approached the Strat thing back in the day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_z2RgZ_g … re=related

He begins on the bridge, then switches to the quacky 4th posistion for the EJ style leads and increases the volume on his guitar.  Then he switches to the neck, rolls the volume down for the SRV tones.  Next comes the Beck style on the bridge pickup again with moderate gain.  Finally he seems to really lay it on with the Van Halen shredding by increasing the db boost and volume on the guitar to max, all bridge pickup.  I'm almost 100% sure it's all the 2 Jubilees in studio through a Marshall 4x12.  I'm thinking a Marshall will get you closest to the tone you desire!  Good luck, sorry for the essay...

Yes true. What I mean by quack is that his tone is very much the opposite of flat, yet it's pretty high gain and heavy for a strat. If a Les Paul tone is flat and regular, the strat tone is unflat and irregular, thats what I'm going at kind of. To achieve a decent amount of gain and sustain and keeping the irregular tone of the strat. I might consider buying a lace sensor set because if I will be using 2x pedals and the mid boost it would hum like crazy.

I really want to try a Carl martin, I've seen that vid but I don't have one near me. Also Joe says he just uses the boost to boost the gain of the tone he already has. Which may not be a bad thing but still some coloration would not be bad.

It's not realistic for me to buy a silver jubilee, especially not two ones But I think it's all about pairing the right stuff together, maybe swap out the tubes to get a similar sound.

    40W Class AB tube amp through (2) 12AX7 preamp tubes and (2) 6L6 power tubes

So yes, 6l6's. Would swapping them tubes with el34s etc give it more a Marshall sound? If yes, what would be the tonal changes (etc loss of mids, more bass)?

Before I do anything though I've decided to try a marshall vintage modern even though I can't find one. It seems like a good amp and if I like it, I could sell my line 6 and keep the money from another boost and get a head with the money I get over the summer (along with a 4x12). Sounds really nice based on some videos

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BTW, Eric Czar replied to my comment on his vid, pretty cool as he is my favorite bass player (not that I am a bass fan) but when he played with Joe

That came standard on my strat

I will have to sell my line 6 to afford a vintage modern. I will earn about 5/12 of the of the money from a summer job, 5/12s of the cash from the line 6 and 2/12 that I already have.

I honestly cannot say why I have the spider valve. I just run it on the clean channel with my fulltone, but that sounds kind of nice. Though I did not own the fulltone when I bought the spider valve. This amp does nothing for me, I don't hate it I don't love it, it's just okay. If I wanna run a second amp, I will get something I really like. I just don't have the dinero for two amps right now I think I'll get a 50w VM head along with a 4x12, will be nice to have my first half stack

I will, but won't be for a while. Sometime mid summer probably...

I've read that Joe just cranks the jubs and doesn't use the lead channel, but is that now or did he do the same in ANDY?