Topic: Which pickups did joe have in new day yesterday live?

Did he have gold or silver lace sensors?

Re: Which pickups did joe have in new day yesterday live?

Hi ZampraZ!

I think he used Eric Clapton Signature Stratocaster with silver Lace Sensor..

Re: Which pickups did joe have in new day yesterday live?

Johnny wrote:

Hi ZampraZ!

I think he used Eric Clapton Signature Stratocaster with silver Lace Sensor..

Yeah I'm 99.9% sure they were Silver Lace Sensors... that's what comes standard on a Clapton strat and I assume Joe didn't do many modifications to it...

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4 (edited by ZampraZ 2009-03-29 00:40:10)

Re: Which pickups did joe have in new day yesterday live?

I'm not so sure anymore. I was just about to order a silver lace sensor, but after further investigation the Eric Clapton Signature model had gold lace sensors and not silver. This alone leads me the believe it was actually gold that Joe used, along with this picture here:

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h79/Z … Sivler.jpg

I can't tell if it's gold or silver, but the gold would be darker than the silver and the color here looks quite dark.

I'm sorry for reviving such an ancient thread, but it is really important since I think I almost bought the wrong pickup.
Anyways, if it is gold, I'm not so sure this is the pickup I'm looking for. I was looking for a more output more bottom end pickup, and that does not fit the golds description. If it gold then I have to rethink pickups...

Re: Which pickups did joe have in new day yesterday live?

No, Clapton strats have the Gold Lace Sensors.  Its a 50's Strat sound.  Silver has more power however.  Red is the highest and blue is the blueiest of the Lace Sensors.  Personal opinion, the pickup sucks.  Instead of 6 poles magnets it has like 36 little magnets lined up in 2 rows.  Then have some kind of shielding around them inside of the pickup that makes them almost noiseless.  That doesn't mean it isn't noiseless.  I'm just saying why do you think clapton decided to change the pickups on his signature model to Vintage noiseless?  Because Lace isn't all its cracked up to be thats why.  Good luck with them and I really hope that I'm wrong but I can tell you its the Gold Lace Sensors 100% sure as maybe one of the biggest Clapton Freaks on this board.

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AD3THREE wrote:

No, Clapton strats have the Gold Lace Sensors.  Its a 50's Strat sound.  Silver has more power however.  Red is the highest and blue is the blueiest of the Lace Sensors.  Personal opinion, the pickup sucks.  Instead of 6 poles magnets it has like 36 little magnets lined up in 2 rows.  Then have some kind of shielding around them inside of the pickup that makes them almost noiseless.  That doesn't mean it isn't noiseless.  I'm just saying why do you think clapton decided to change the pickups on his signature model to Vintage noiseless?  Because Lace isn't all its cracked up to be thats why.  Good luck with them and I really hope that I'm wrong but I can tell you its the Gold Lace Sensors 100% sure as maybe one of the biggest Clapton Freaks on this board.

Yes, thank you. I already did decide though however to ditch the lace sensors.

Re: Which pickups did joe have in new day yesterday live?

But the reason that strat sounds so fat is the Clapton strat has a 25Db midrange boost that makes it really fat like a humbucker.  You could buy one of those circuits from fender for around $75 and they work with all types of pickups.

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AD3THREE wrote:

But the reason that strat sounds so fat is the Clapton strat has a 25Db midrange boost that makes it really fat like a humbucker.  You could buy one of those circuits from fender for around $75 and they work with all types of pickups.

Aha... interesting.
Do you have the ec strat yourself or have you perhaps tried the boost? I'm quite interested in it, how does it color the tone?

Ha, if I were to purchase one myself my guitar would turn into the ec strat... (black, white pickguard-maple neck, vintage style trem)

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I own a 2002 strat EC model with the Vintage noiesless pickups.  The 25 Db midrange boost is a monster you can turn it to 0 and its the normal sound of your pickups.  After that you can add a little boost if you want or you can put a lot of boost in, or go all out.  Clapton always runs the circuit around 2 or 3 because it give the strat a tone thats not ususal to a strat.  Biggest problem I see with the circuit is if your running a amp with a lot of distortion or a pedal with tons of distortion your going to find that the sound muds up quick.  It works best if you have an tube amp and thats your only distortion because its just a clear signal.  Also this boost will make your normal settings extreamly loud.  So if your playing in a basement or a bed room and your amp is maybe used to being set on 2 or 3  your amp will be overdriven and sound like it would be on settings 5.  The other thing is Clapton has a TBX switch which will let him boost the treble by cutting the bass or let him boost the bass and cut the treble.  How it works is at position 5 on the middle tone control it has an indention that would be your normal settings if you were to have a normal tone control turned up all the way.  Like I said before the circuit could get muddy if your using tons of distortion to begin with so use the TBX switch that comes with the kit to help get the treble to cut thourgh and make your sound less muddy.  Lots of people hate the TBX switch and Clapton himself doesn't use it in his guitar any more.  Best bet is to get a mild distortion sound or a clean sound and let the circuit overdrive the clean sound because that will give you that big fat sound.  I think it works great with a Fender amps clean channel, but I did have a marshall JCM 800 and it was turned up on the Pre amp all the way, so really it must depend on the amp and how it takes all the boost.  All it does is boost the midrange which increases the bass a little and does nothing for the treble.  Its Joes secret on that DVD your talking about and I'm sure you'll like it too.  Much cheaper then buying 3 now pickups.

Re: Which pickups did joe have in new day yesterday live?

I decided to film a clip to give you a rough idea of where I'm at. Thanks to the crappy cellphone camera, it screws the tone royally, but the underlying lack of fatness still comes through.

Right now I'm running the strat through a fulltone fulldrive 2 into the amp. My amp doesn't seem to break up alot when the volume is turned up (yes a tube amp) and normally I would be running with the fulltone as my main dist and tubescreamer for boost, as my amp basically always remains clean. I don't have enough drive there really for riffs or solos so it's kind of lame.

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Hey man what kind of amp are you using?  That may be what is lacking the "fatness" you describe.  All of my personal experiences with the Clapton models (especially with the Gold LS PU's) have concluded that they are VERY fat sounding for a Strat.  From what I gather, Clapton wanted something that would sound like a Strat but fatter and sustain more like an ES335 or Les Paul.  BTW you are using some great pedals for the gain layering.  IDK what kind of issues you are having because with a fairly clean Dr. Z Maz 18 I can get some super thick sustaining overdrive with just the Fulldrive II.  I was able to get some convincing Eric Johnson like violin sounds on the bridge pickup of my very bright '57 reissue Strat.  If anyone wants to sell me a Clapton with Golds in it I'd be interested.

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12 (edited by ZampraZ 2009-03-30 19:41:01)

Re: Which pickups did joe have in new day yesterday live?

I am using a spider valve. Of course, it's going to be thinner through my 1x12 instead of a 4x12 cabinet. A 4x12 cab is on my to-do-list, but even though it thickens up the sound, the lp sound is still twice as fat. It's not the amp, I've tried it with several different amplifiers at my local store.

It's really hard for me to decide on pickups based on comments and videos on youtube, but since I do not have access to a shop with either Buddy Guy Strat (mid boost, lace sensors gold) or an Eric Clapton signature it's hard to say. Though AD3THREE stated that the lace sensors weren't so good, In my experience, the guy complaining on pups is usually right. I know I bought Texas Specials based on the majority of good reviews, completely and utterly ignoring the negative ones which were very hateful. Something I would soon regret. Also there has to be a valid reason for EC to have switched to vintage noiseless pickups. But perhaps his style has changed with time, it's very hard to tell.

The tbx switch, being able to go from single coil to a humbucker-esque sound with a tone knob sounds very intriguing. When playing some riffs I like a nice chunky Les Paul tone, but I do by far prefer strats for solos. Being able to go from from single to humbucking would let me turn the knob up just a little, and perhaps a bit more if push comes to shove. Maintaining the bell-like tone of a strat and increasing fatness simoultaneously is what I'm doing. I like a very bell-like tone, so maybe lace golds are not a horrible idea. I don't know.

Does the tbx add noise? Just curious because both buddy guy and EC use low noise single coils with the boost kit. I will be running 2 drive pedals on a clean channel, so there will be some noise but it's alright. As long as the boost kit doesn't skyrocket the hum.

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Re: Which pickups did joe have in new day yesterday live?

http://www.fender.com/products//search. … 0057577000 thats the circuit.  Try your stock pickups first if you can live with the noise it will work fine.  If you cant buy something better then Lace.  Also make sure you shield your guitars cavitiy.

Re: Which pickups did joe have in new day yesterday live?

I found a decent deal on ebay, first I will continue my research but if all turns out well I just might have to go with it.

Thanks a bunch, you've been extremely helpful.

Re: Which pickups did joe have in new day yesterday live?

Thats what forum friends are for man!  Glad I could help. big_smile

16 (edited by stratpaulguy86 2009-03-31 02:18:34)

Re: Which pickups did joe have in new day yesterday live?

"Also there has to be a valid reason for EC to have switched to vintage noiseless pickups. But perhaps his style has changed with time, it's very hard to tell."

I definately see what you are saying, but IMO Clapton's tone was at it's very finest in the late 80's through mid 90's.  The tones he gets on "From the Cradle" and "Journeyman" are among my favorite and I'm almost 100% sure that the Clapton Strats at the time had the LS pu's in them.  I think his tone and unfortunately playing has softened since he made the switch.  Besides, Joe never got a better strat sound then out of his Clapton strats IMO.  I think it really boils down to the player and how easily the pickups allow you to accomplish your goal.  My point is if SRV would have played a Clapton sig he'd have still sounded like SRV and if Clapton played a SRV sig I'm sure he'd still sound like Clapton.

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Re: Which pickups did joe have in new day yesterday live?

stratpaulguy86 wrote:

"Also there has to be a valid reason for EC to have switched to vintage noiseless pickups. But perhaps his style has changed with time, it's very hard to tell."

I definately see what you are saying, but IMO Clapton's tone was at it's very finest in the late 80's through mid 90's.  The tones he gets on "From the Cradle" and "Journeyman" are among my favorite and I'm almost 100% sure that the Clapton Strats at the time had the LS pu's in them.  I think his tone and unfortunately playing has softened since he made the switch.  Besides, Joe never got a better strat sound then out of his Clapton strats IMO.  I think it really boils down to the player and how easily the pickups allow you to accomplish your goal.  My point is if SRV would have played a Clapton sig he'd have still sounded like SRV and if Clapton played a SRV sig I'm sure he'd still sound like Clapton.

I agree 100% with what your saying but Claptons tone didn't soften up because of the pickups.  During Journyman He was playing a SLO Soldano 100 watt head (he made the amp famous!) and a host of different effect such as Chourse, Delay, and a ton of other things he never even used.  Clapton got sick of having all that equipment and decided to go to a less is more kind of rig.  With From The Cradle, he was using just about all his favorite guitar, and all his Amp that he had collected  up to that time.  His Favorite was a 1950's Fender Tweed Twin that was 50 watts.  After that album he decided to go with the Twin for the next 5 years. 
In 1999 Fender Custom shop built Clapton a Twin amp to replace his older amps.  They used pine floors from an old church to build the cab.  He played those amps for around 3 years. 
2001 Clapton used Vibro Kings thanks to the suggestion to Pete Townshed.
2003 Carr made him an amp using the evil hemp cons those hippies use thats another term for Crap as Joe once said on this board.  He used that amp on his 2004 tour and the Crossroads Concerts.
2005 EC went back to Fender Twins because they came out with a custom shop Tweed Twin.  This is currently what he uses and he was seen playing these amps in the Cream Reunion Shows.

So to say that the pickups soften his sound is not true.  He's playing low wattage amps that are not designed to be "Heavy"  But the statement about SRV playing a EC Strat and visversa is so true.  "It's in the way that you use it" to quote a Chessy 80's song by a certain well know guitar player.

Re: Which pickups did joe have in new day yesterday live?

People usually say tone is in fingers, I say style is in fingers and tone is in setup. smile

No matter who is playing my rig it's not going to sound fat