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Sweet looks like i got Eric Sardinas booked at Mcnaer's on 11/29/07 keeping my fingers crossed for some reason there worried about sell out a 490 seat venue Blah we got that!! but really at $25 a seat and all Eric wants is a $1000 for the show please what are they waiting for
even if they only sell 250 300 they make a nice little sack of money plus are the Alcohol and food revenues Blah INK HIM damn it hehe:)

Bluezman is trip on that Lam0 shitz sorry I'll go now

Peace
Bluezman

I got blisters on my bloody fingers (JL)

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Count the shredster in, gots to have dat music!

Shred

"keep playing that roocknroooll, keep doing what you been told"

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Eric is a must see - can't wait till he comes back to Wisconsin.
Jaci

Lose your dreams and you will lose your mind.  Mick Jagger

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Bluezman wrote:

Sweet looks like i got Eric Sardinas booked at Mcnaer's on 11/29/07 keeping my fingers crossed for some reason there worried about sell out a 490 seat venue Blah we got that!! but really at $25 a seat and all Eric wants is a $1000 for the show please what are they waiting for
even if they only sell 250 300 they make a nice little sack of money plus are the Alcohol and food revenues Blah INK HIM damn it hehe:)

Bluezman is trip on that Lam0 shitz sorry I'll go now

Peace
Bluezman

Hey Bluezman,
   I can appreciate the fact that your so passionate about good music and putting together an awesome show/festival but I don't think it's good practice to say what a musician is willing to play for. Having been a club promoter for a few local clubs here in Pittsburgh it's a big no no to discuss musician's moneys.  just my 2 cents.

Take care everyone. And if I don't meet you no more in this world
Then ill, I'll meet you in the next one and don't be late, don't be late

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Pittsburgh Jeff wrote:
Bluezman wrote:

Sweet looks like i got Eric Sardinas booked at Mcnaer's on 11/29/07 keeping my fingers crossed for some reason there worried about sell out a 490 seat venue Blah we got that!! but really at $25 a seat and all Eric wants is a $1000 for the show please what are they waiting for
even if they only sell 250 300 they make a nice little sack of money plus are the Alcohol and food revenues Blah INK HIM damn it hehe:)

Bluezman is trip on that Lam0 shitz sorry I'll go now

Peace
Bluezman

Hey Bluezman,
   I can appreciate the fact that your so passionate about good music and putting together an awesome show/festival but I don't think it's good practice to say what a musician is willing to play for. Having been a club promoter for a few local clubs here in Pittsburgh it's a big no no to discuss musician's moneys.  just my 2 cents.

Hey thanks for the advise in a business sense your probably right however .Ive done a few promotion myself in my day and to be honest about ii its not that hard for someone to call his agent and get a quote for a show in fact its public info if you know where to look and to to a degree i feel the same way you do for the most part I just a bit piss how the people at the venue are handling it

I got blisters on my bloody fingers (JL)

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I have to say that story about venues all too true for alot artist.  Venues dont want to take the chance and book it even for a grand.  They worry that blues doesnt draw.  What I had to do is go in for door deals sometimes and prove to them that its a viable art forum full of great fans that come to other shows not just mine.  Two people in Particular who took a chance on me, moderate this forum.  Phil Cornell and Jim Moody.  They booked the rooms as fans first casue no venue would have me.  Those guys exposed/broke me in Dallas, OKC, Lubbuck TX, and Tulsa. Also other promoters started to take notice and became interested after.   I feel sorry for Eric cause legitimately he should make alot more than a grand.  DJ's at high school dances make that. Ive been involved with big shows as a opener at very legitmate venues with other artist and when the clock strikes 10 everybody including bands get cleared out in a hurry, so the DJ can quickly set up and 2000 kids rush in to dance @ $25 dollars ahead. Its the law of supply and demand I guess....? The venue have to make money I get this. They cant pay their bills on concerts alone. Let alone keep up with the lawsuits steming from the concerts they do.  Its just a sad commentary on were the music/concert  buisness is right now. Eric's senario is not a new one or is he alone.   Its getting better but slowly..  just my 2cents.
Joe Bonamassa

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Joe Bonamassa wrote:

DJ's at high school dances make that. Ive been involved with big shows as a opener at very legitmate venues with other artist and when the clock strikes 10 everybody including bands get cleared out in a hurry, so the DJ can quickly set up and 2000 kids rush in to dance @ $25 dollars ahead. Joe Bonamassa

That's the saddest part, and so very true.  Never knew that about Phil Cornel and Jim Moody.  I've been put in the same senerio, just to a much leser degree.  I've put up my word and $$$ to bring Kelly Richey to several venues in Pittsburgh and now she packs houses here several times a year.   Kudos to Jim and Phil, true fans of great music and spreading the art. And Joe, thanks for your 2 cents. Always a pleasure when you and Bogie stop by and join in the fun.

Take care everyone. And if I don't meet you no more in this world
Then ill, I'll meet you in the next one and don't be late, don't be late

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After having a little beginners luck with Joe I have gone on to bring other artists into OKC. None have had the degree of success I have had with Joe. Says something about Joe being in a different leauge than others associated with the Blues.

If I wasn't familiar with Eric Sardinas and knew that he had done well previously in town I wouldn't take a chance on him or somebody else that has a very limited audience which most blues guys do. It really is more about tour history than it is price. If nobody comes than $1,000 is too much to risk if it is a money thing.

What Joe was saying when he brought up Phil and I is that at one time people wouldn't take a chance on him either no matter the price. As he proved that he could sell tickets than it was easyier to sell himself to venues and other promters.

As far as discussing guarantees it just isn't something to do on a public forum. The artist would always like to recieve more than they sometimes agree to for a show. Lots of variables. Routing, or just wanting to fill a night, price is always negotiable. If the word gets someone can be had for peanuts than all he will ever get offered is peanuts.

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Joe Bonamassa wrote:

I have to say that story about venues all too true for alot artist.  Venues dont want to take the chance and book it even for a grand.  They worry that blues doesnt draw.  What I had to do is go in for door deals sometimes and prove to them that its a viable art forum full of great fans that come to other shows not just mine.  Two people in Particular who took a chance on me, moderate this forum.  Phil Cornell and Jim Moody.  They booked the rooms as fans first casue no venue would have me.  Those guys exposed/broke me in Dallas, OKC, Lubbuck TX, and Tulsa. Also other promoters started to take notice and became interested after.   I feel sorry for Eric cause legitimately he should make alot more than a grand.  DJ's at high school dances make that. Ive been involved with big shows as a opener at very legitmate venues with other artist and when the clock strikes 10 everybody including bands get cleared out in a hurry, so the DJ can quickly set up and 2000 kids rush in to dance @ $25 dollars ahead. Its the law of supply and demand I guess....? The venue have to make money I get this. They cant pay their bills on concerts alone. Let alone keep up with the lawsuits steming from the concerts they do.  Its just a sad commentary on were the music/concert  buisness is right now. Eric's senario is not a new one or is he alone.   Its getting better but slowly..  just my 2cents.
Joe Bonamassa

wow thats funny you bought this up read this post from sonomatunes a  got last night

via Blues-L:

An open letter to bar owners with live music

It has happened again. A club I have been playing at for several
years, a club in a major US city where I have done well and made good
money from the door, has decided to have only DJs from now on. No more
live music. They make much more money when they have only one DJ to
deal with as opposed to five musicians. " It's not personal, Candye.
People drink more when there's a DJ," the club owner said. "When they
watch a band, they stand there until the band is over and then order a
drink. When the DJ plays continuous music, they come to the bar
throughout the night, sweaty and thirsty. It's a no brainer."

Of course it's not personal. It's just my life and my livelihood. It's
just the way I have been making a living for the past fourteen years.
It's just the way it has been done since I was old enough to sneak
into punk bars in Hollywood with my fake id. Watching live musicians
play live music was how I grew up. Seeing bands like Los Lobos, The
Wild Cards, James Harman, Top Jimmy and the Rhythm Pigs, X, the
Paladins, Smokey Wilson, Roy Gaines and the Blasters gave me a lump in
my throat, blisters on my feet from dancing all night and an empty
wallet from too many beers. It gave me a dream to hold onto; A dream
that I could someday be on that stage playing music as well. My dreams
have come true a thousand fold, allowing me to travel the world
singing for people and sometimes getting paid really well for my
music. It has allowed me the luxury of recording my songs on cd and
the chance to play music with my son, handing down the family
tradition and taking him around the globe with me. It has made my life
rich and rewarding. It has given me the opportunity to keep in touch
with friends and family in city after city and enabled me to learn
about different cultures and languages. It has given me the chance to
revere and emulate the musicians who came before me and made this one
nighter lifestyle possible.

And so its time for me to thank YOU the club owner, who is committed
to keeping live music going in your small bar or middle sized venue.
Maybe you already know how grateful I am to you for the gigs you
provide me. Maybe you can tell when I am beaming from ear to ear
onstage and hugging you at the end of the night, how grateful I am to
have this job. But I am here to tell you again – YOU ARE INCREDIBLE.
Your dedication and commitment to live music means more now than ever
before! I know times are tough. You have had to cut back; not offer as
many hotel rooms or maybe no rooms at all. You have had to lower your
guarantees, maybe not offer food to the bands or work the front door
yourself while you juggle the sound board so as not to pay an extra
person. You are struggling too with rising gas prices, higher taxes,
no indoor smoking and city bureaucracy harassing you. You are dealing
with smaller crowds and less big drinkers with endless bar tabs. I
know times are tougher for you now, just like they are for me. And
yet, you keep on keeping on. You provide a place for people to come
and dance and forget their troubles for a while. You provide a
workplace for waitresses and bartenders. And most importantly, you
provide a place for us middle of the road musicians to share our
talents. In this day and age of digital downloads, you tube and
American Idol, you provide a community service by allowing live human
beings to venture into your club and share their music with others.

I know it seems like a thankless job sometimes when you're dealing
with crabby road dogs, drunk patrons, huge egos and complaints from
ingrates. But I am here to tell you that your work MATTERS. Your
support of live music in spite of these changing times and uncertain
economy shows what a big heart you really have. You are the sole
reason why people like me survive. And hopefully, together, we can
weather these uncertain times in the music business and come out on
top. I don't want to be a grandmother telling my kids "There used to
be live people playing this music. It wasn't just a recording, it was
real people." I don't want live music to be obsolete like the 8 track.
I want my grandkids to grow up knowing that playing live music is an
option just like any other occupation. I want them to go to bars and
see live music being played. And I want you to stay open and thrive!
Thanks so much for what you have been doing all these years and what
you will continue to do, because you believe in musicians like me.
Thank you for all your hard work and dedication. Thank you for not
giving up. From the bottom of my heart, thank you, for making my dream
come true.

I got blisters on my bloody fingers (JL)