Topic: i've finally learned something that i should have known!

Ok, i'm just going to be wide open here since i don't know any of you cats personally. I'm 46 and have been playing a very long time. I've had many guitar heroes along the way and have spent both a ton of time and money trying to learn the style of my heroes and replicate their rigs. In the 80s it was EVH and Georgre Lynch. In the 90s it was, well, no one really lol. In 2000 i got into blues and blues rock and worked on Cream-era clapton. Then it was SRV, Mayer and KWS (i know, late to the SRV party).

In 2009 i really got into Joe's playing for all the same reasons that are well established and not the point of this post. Over the years i learned his licks and worked on seeing if i could replicate that tone.

Now just to head this off before someone says it, please just keep the "why duplicate someone else when you should be yourself" thing to yourself. Seeing if i could play in the style and have a similar sounding rig to my heroes along the way has been one of the things that I love about playing guitar. Telling me to be myself is really not relevant to this post. I will never sound exactly like these guys anyhow and as John Mayer famously said "it's my failure to sound like my heroes that's allowed me to sound like me".

So here's the deal. I had Joe's rig down: Black Jubilee head. Fuchs head to approximate the dumble side of his rig. One 2X12 cab loaded with EV12Ls and one 2x12 loaded with Eminence Legend EM12. The rig sounded great. I play in a local group and got high marks for the sound of my rig.

The thing is, something didn't feel right. The bottom line was i just had WAY too much rig for any of the clubs we play. The tone was good but the notes just sort of laid there since there was no way at all i could push these amps to their sweet spot. I had similar experiences with other rig types and other bands in prior years.

Two days ago i decided i was going to get a new practice amp. I was just fooling around at guitar center trying out things and ended up playing a tweed blues deluxe reissue. I loved it and bought in on the spot. I figured it would be perfect for practicing. I took it home and jammed for a couple hours on it and could not believe what i was hearing. Yes, it's a tweed and yes it caught my eye because he's playing tweeds. BUT the point is, i was finally able to crank an amp to its proper sweet spot in volume with killing everyone around me.

If i was going to try to chase Joe's current rig i'd go get a Victoria tweed twin. I have the money to do that so i just would if i wanted to go there. But, what i've finally realized is that would just be repeating what i did with the last rig. A tweed twin cranked to the volume to get it's proper tone is just too much for a club. This little blues deluxe is the cheapest amp i've ever bought and i really like it. (I expect i'll replace the speaker soon - i live near the eminence factory and will go up and try some different options)

A couple of morals to this long and rambling story: the proper sized amp for your gig really is a critical thing. Just because something is expensive doesn't make it great or the right thing for you. Chasing your heroes tone and style is fun, but will only take you so far if you aren't able to apply the rig the same way as your hero (in Joe's case wide open). A couple of my buddies are going to fall over when i show up at the next gig with this little tweed amp. My guess is that they will be blown away as soon as they hear this thing.

As you were gentlemen (and ladies if you're out there). Thanks for reading!!

Re: i've finally learned something that i should have known!

Yep, great lesson, couldn't agree more. The kid buying a 100 watt Marshall with two 4x12 cabs for the bedroom just doesn't get it.

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Re: i've finally learned something that i should have known!

It's an important part of growing as a guitar player! Welcome aboard the "gear sobriety" camp!

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I go back and forth. I'm back to smaller amps turned up... and I'm going multi amp soon so there's two amps running.
A head with an attenuator looks cooler than it sounds.

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Re: i've finally learned something that i should have known!

I had the same realization when I stumbled upon a used Tone King Falcon a few years ago. At 12 watts with one 10" speaker, it's perfect for my applications and still plenty loud for clubs.

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Re: i've finally learned something that i should have known!

I'm just amazed that you consider a Blues Deluxe as a practice amp...I had one and those are LOUD amps....used to gig that (using a borrowed Hot Rod Deluxe as an extension speaker cab) alongside a guy using a 100W Marshall into a 4x12 and could keep up no problem.

I'm not sure that a Tweed Twin would be any louder if you went for the 40W version like Clapton uses. Obviously a High Powered Tweed Twin will be!!

Little tip I used to like doing on that amp was on the OD channel, turn the master volume most of the way up and then bring in the gain up until you get the desired volume....gives you a clean sound, but means that you seem to be better able to push the output tubes!! (I was using a Clapton Strat with tge active mid-boost though, so as usual YMMV)

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Re: i've finally learned something that i should have known!

Adrian J wrote:

I'm just amazed that you consider a Blues Deluxe as a practice amp...I had one and those are LOUD amps....used to gig that (using a borrowed Hot Rod Deluxe as an extension speaker cab) alongside a guy using a 100W Marshall into a 4x12 and could keep up no problem.

I'm not sure that a Tweed Twin would be any louder if you went for the 40W version like Clapton uses. Obviously a High Powered Tweed Twin will be!!

Little tip I used to like doing on that amp was on the OD channel, turn the master volume most of the way up and then bring in the gain up until you get the desired volume....gives you a clean sound, but means that you seem to be better able to push the output tubes!! (I was using a Clapton Strat with tge active mid-boost though, so as usual YMMV)

That's a great tip, i will certainly try that. I should have been more clear on my first post. When i said "practice amp" I was thinking more about something i could use during rehearsals with my group to save tube life on my marshall & fuchs. Well, i will also admit that when i practice alone i tend to play fairly loud! (my poor neighbors!)

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NPB_EST.1979 wrote:

I go back and forth. I'm back to smaller amps turned up... and I'm going multi amp soon so there's two amps running.
A head with an attenuator looks cooler than it sounds.

Agreed. I could never get a good tone out of an attenuated amp.

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macg1 wrote:

It's an important part of growing as a guitar player! Welcome aboard the "gear sobriety" camp!

"gear sobriety" I like that!!

Re: i've finally learned something that i should have known!

slightly off the point of what you're saying but I have found a method that works for me.  I love to play along with CDs of my favorite bands.  I've never played in a band so relaying to how that would be is not within my wheelhouse.  My point is I use to come up with about two or three tones I loved then instead of attempting to match the exact tone any further I began to focus much more on my hands and my ability to learn the smallest of nuances of the guitar player I was imitating. 

I found that the better I became at mastering those tiny nuances then the better my chances became of matching their tone.  My personal experiences are different because I have never had much inclination to play any sort of lead guitar.  Rhythm guitar is what does it for me...makes the hair down the backside of my neck stand at attention.  Most likely that comes from the majority of style of music I play.  I am a huge heavy metal fan.  With heavy metal it's all about having a great riff.  It's those riffs that I attempt to emulate.  Try copying someone like Dave Mustaine of Megadeth.  It won't take very long to realize you (well, me) need a lot more practice.  In time I was able to nail it and low and behold I sounded so much like the CD. 

That's my two cents.  Good luck with that never ending search for the perfect tone.  The day I realized I preferred to find a couple of tones that met my needs then let my fingers do the talking from that point on was a wondrous breakthrough.  My playing has become so much crisper.  Think of it this way, no matter what Joe, Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck, etc. play through they are going to have "that" tone.  It's in the hands.  I know this is nothing new to you.  But, after hearing Joe say it enough times then at some point it's time to trust what he is saying.  Hopefully I didn't make too many people upset by reiterating what all of you already know.

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