Re: nothing new with bonamassa

philtadem wrote:

i am french and love blue  guitar
joe plays really really well but brings nothing new
i have heard his guitar playing hundred of times and hundred of guitar players plays exactly like him
there is a Hendrix way of playing, a santana way of playing but not a bonamassa..
i repeat even if he plays like god..he brings nothing new
his last record is a copy from the seventies..


exactement les mêmes critiques que l'on peut lire au sujet de Warren Haynes ou Kenny Wayne Shepherd par exemple 

d'une maniére plus générale difficile de ne pas trouver des influences plus ou moins évidentes quand tu écoutes un guitariste

20 (edited by norton 2014-09-27 15:45:01)

Re: nothing new with bonamassa

New does not equal good. Please identify who the "new sounding" blues players are? You've mentioned Jimi Hendricks (dead since 1970) and Carlos Santana 67 years old, who started in the mid 1960's. Neither were or are purely blues guys. You have heard nothing different and original since then you are saying? So they are great and all other guitarists are deriviative. Is that your argument?

21 (edited by Jimi75 2014-09-27 15:42:53)

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Honestly, I am always critical, especially with the artists I like the most. Joe delivers great quality in every aspect and he is among the few who really carry on the torch of the Blues! No discussion here - we all know with how much passion he plays and how much energy he puts in sharing his experiences - thinking of the school project. I absolutely do not get the point of the OP. What is the deal here? It's great that Joe absorbed all these influences and makes his own thing - can't get any better. Especially with his last output he underlined his uniqueness and great sense for timeless rock music. I hear one note and know it's Joe. So what is your point, really? Nothing against constructive criticism, but just saying he's playing riffs that have been played 30 years ago....don't know about your musical knowledge, but Joe creates awesome NEW riffs! And regarding the 12 bar classic Blues, being an experienced guitarist myself, I can only say that Joe manages to refresh the classic structures in a way no one does! Further, Joe is a clean minded musician! What I hate most about the old guys is their drug consume and star allures! You'll not find that with JB, who is a very approachable and humble guy! I say that, being a total Hendrix freak and fan! However, I tolerate if you find Joes output boring, it's your personal opinion, but if you seek a quality discussion you should not just fire at people and artists in such a substance less way.

Re: nothing new with bonamassa

Jimi75 wrote:

Honestly, I am always critical, especially with the artists I like the most. Joe delivers great quality in every aspect and he is among the few who really carry on the torch of the Blues! No discussion here - we all know with how much passion he plays and how much energy he puts in sharing his experiences - thinking of the school project. I absolutely do not get the point of the OP. What is the deal here? It's great that Joe absorbed all these influences and makes his own thing - can't get any better. Especially with his last output he underlined his uniqueness and great sense for timeless rock music. I hear one note and know it's Joe. So what is your point, really? Nothing against constructive criticism, but just saying he's playing riffs that have been played 30 years ago....don't know about your musical knowledge, but Joe creates awesome NEW riffs! And regarding the 12 bar classic Blues, being an experienced guitarist myself, I can only say that Joe manages to refresh the classic structures in a way no one does! Further, Joe is a clean minded musician! What I hate most about the old guys is their drug consume and star allures! You'll not find that with JB, who is a very approachable and humble guy! I say that, being a total Hendrix freak and fan! However, I tolerate if you find Joes output boring, it's your personal opinion, but if you seek a quality discussion you should not just fire at people and artists in such a substance less way.

Perfect!

Re: nothing new with bonamassa

I will echo the Keeping the Blues alive sentiment.

There is lots new on this album, regardless of whether some riffs sound 70s-ish or whatever. There are great songs - rock and blues. There is impeccable playing that was hit or miss back in the day, if we're comparing.
Glad Joe didn't go totally new and whip up some funky fresh beats.

24 (edited by DougH 2014-09-27 21:17:42)

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Michael wrote:

I think you have tinitus or are hard of hearing,
............... Michael

Hey I have tinnitus and am hard of hearing... and I love Joe's playing... wish I had 1% of it
(actually I have Otosclerosis and have had the little bones in my ears ripped out and replaced)

Joe is the only one of all the greats before him that I can actually listen to every track he's ever done.
I can't say that I could listen to every Led Zeppelin track.. and Zep are pretty big..
(and yes I think they 'copied' Stairway)
That says something..


Actually ..maybe our "buddy" from the original first post should read Joe's track by track description of what he did and why.

http://jbonamassa.com/features/2014/bon … Read%20now

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(If only I had 1% of Joe's guitar talent)

Re: nothing new with bonamassa

philtadem wrote:

last comment jo his a great great player ,the fastest, the better in blues in 2014 but he has copied the seventies and has brought nothing new..
the riff where the same  with jeff beck,clapton etc..
his guitar playing comes from this  2 geants
a great  guitar player is easy to recognise..you hear a new song and you say ..he plays like santana
you cant say that with joe
anyway i love his last record "shaps of blues"..but the riff were the same ..30 years before

I suggest you go and listin to someone else. If you do not like Joes music then ok move on. As far as a player bringing something new to the table. He does I do not know your background but I grew up listening and playing music in the seventies and nobody I have heard can play with so much clarity, tone and feeling as Joe. Maybe my ear is different then yours for I can tell when Joe plays compared to anyone else. So why don't you move on you said your piece. I hope you find the artist you are looking for. All of us here have.
Cheers Ron

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Re: nothing new with bonamassa

Well Philtadem.Reading through the posts here I think there is enough good arguments against your thoughts on this post.But what  do you expect to come here on Joes fan site and find agreement with you?I personally don't agree with your premise.I was trying to give you the benefit maybe it was a translation from French to English thing.I just think you are wrong in  the basic Joe is a 70's clone.I was listening again today to DSOB and was thinking this doesn't sound like any if the 70's guitar players.The music  is influenced by but to me is fresh and new.I mean the solos are like completely Joe and like no one I have ever heard of before.And man they are really good!Some cool sounds without a doubt.

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27 (edited by Stefan76 2014-09-28 11:28:51)

Re: nothing new with bonamassa

Yeah, you say that he brings nothing new....well, in my opinion he always brings something new. Every album is different, you can see the hard work and passion Joe puts in all he does. There are so many artists that always sound the same, album after album, Joe's always changing. But not changing to follow the fashion of the moment, but changing because he wants to give fans something different and new everytime.

I really appreciate this, cause you can not take him for granted. The only thing sure is that you will always feel passion and devotion to the blues and to great music in general.

You refer to other great artists, but how many of them have such a close connections with their fans, like Joe does?

Do you think that your beloved Santana will answer a post on the forum to talk about guitars, amps or rigs?or to help you out to find a certain tone? or stay connected to his fan base like Joe does?
How many of them supports the young players the way Joe does?

Come on man, Joe brings something new in everything he does...music, playing, but more importantly in the real life.
He does not act like a Star, even if he is right now up there with the best, he is a good and caring person, working hard to earn everything he gets.

You if read some post on this forum, you will find that Joe has changed the life of so many people, you would not believe...this to me is the proof that he brings something special and unique to the table.

You continuously refer to the past, but can you find someone better than Joe in what he does nowadays?
I can't find any.
I'd really like that all the new generations could look at Joe as an example, not to all that "so called" artist that make their fame not with their work but with gossips, marketing moves, and who dates who.

You have to respect the hard work, the passion, the magic and the heart of such a person. You can't come here to drag him down with your criticism, so please move to another place where maybe you will be more welcomed (i doubt it)

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Re: nothing new with bonamassa

philtadem wrote:

last comment jo his a great great player ,the fastest, the better in blues in 2014 but he has copied the seventies and has brought nothing new..
the riff where the same  with jeff beck,clapton etc..
his guitar playing comes from this  2 geants
a great  guitar player is easy to recognise..you hear a new song and you say ..he plays like santana
you cant say that with joe
anyway i love his last record "shaps of blues"..but the riff were the same ..30 years before

How stupid are you?

Re: nothing new with bonamassa

philtadem wrote:

last comment jo his a great great player ,the fastest, the better in blues in 2014 but he has copied the seventies and has brought nothing new..
the riff where the same  with jeff beck,clapton etc..
his guitar playing comes from this  2 geants
a great  guitar player is easy to recognise..you hear a new song and you say ..he plays like santana
you cant say that with joe
anyway i love his last record "shaps of blues"..but the riff were the same ..30 years before

There are 7 notes in a scale. Music has been played for thousands of years. How original can anybody be? Joe will be the first to admit he borrowed from the greats. He is trying to find his own unique voice and I believe he is there. It is not as distinct as those greats that have come before him because of his ability to replicate all the greats own sounds. He has the ability to take inspiration from more than one source. Even SRV admitted to taking direct inspiration from Albert Collins I believe.

The new album doesn't reinvent the wheel because there is nothing wrong with the wheel. He however puts his own spin on it. I hope that translates and I hope this can put this discussion to rest. We here are fans of Joe's and support him and this forum is certainly here for feedback both good and bad however we don't have a lot of patience with someone showing up to stir the pot so to speak. Again I hope that translates.

Re: nothing new with bonamassa

I've seen posts like this come and go and just don't see any point in getting sucked into them any more. I am American and I know what I like!

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Re: nothing new with bonamassa

jim m wrote:
philtadem wrote:

last comment jo his a great great player ,the fastest, the better in blues in 2014 but he has copied the seventies and has brought nothing new..
the riff where the same  with jeff beck,clapton etc..
his guitar playing comes from this  2 geants
a great  guitar player is easy to recognise..you hear a new song and you say ..he plays like santana
you cant say that with joe
anyway i love his last record "shaps of blues"..but the riff were the same ..30 years before

There are 7 notes in a scale. Music has been played for thousands of years. How original can anybody be? Joe will be the first to admit he borrowed from the greats. He is trying to find his own unique voice and I believe he is there. It is not as distinct as those greats that have come before him because of his ability to replicate all the greats own sounds. He has the ability to take inspiration from more than one source. Even SRV admitted to taking direct inspiration from Albert Collins I believe.

The new album doesn't reinvent the wheel because there is nothing wrong with the wheel. He however puts his own spin on it. I hope that translates and I hope this can put this discussion to rest. We here are fans of Joe's and support him and this forum is certainly here for feedback both good and bad however we don't have a lot of patience with someone showing up to stir the pot so to speak. Again I hope that translates.

True Jim, it was so much easier for 60's artists as they were groundbreakers in Rock & Bluesrock. How many ways can you play it???

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32 (edited by RoadcaseBoy 2014-09-28 13:46:35)

Re: nothing new with bonamassa

Really didn't want to knock this Thread back to the top … there are replies here that can't be approved upon.

After picking up Crossroads (1986 movie w/ Ralph Macchio) in a store bargain bin few months ago, I finally watched it last night.  (Roger Ebert gave it 4 stars, but I don't think it was an Oscar contender back in '86. smile

When I heard the last lines of the movie last night ... I said to myself "hmmm" … .  My apologies, I tried to fight the urge to post … it's a bit cheesy (as is the movie) but I thought the lines rang true ...

Movie ends with 80 yr old blues harmonica master Willie Brown telling young guitar slinger Lightin' Boy Martone that after he shows him Chicago he's on his own.

Lightnin Boy:
"Why?"

Willie Brown:
"Cause that ain't the way the song go.  You got to move on without me … take the music someplace else … take it past where you found it."


Joe continues to take the music someplace else … well past where he found it!!
A big thanks to Joe & Co. for DSOB ... enjoying the ride!!

"I was in Space for less than 2 weeks … and suddenly Jeaniene’s back … half the Band is off the gd wagon … we have comedians opening for us … and the nice kid that ran our website is now a kleptof’nmaniac.  Boy ... did you guys miss me!!"  Phil Valentine - Road Manager - Staton House Band

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Re: nothing new with bonamassa

rocknblues81 wrote:
philtadem wrote:

last comment jo his a great great player ,the fastest, the better in blues in 2014 but he has copied the seventies and has brought nothing new..
the riff where the same  with jeff beck,clapton etc..
his guitar playing comes from this  2 geants
a great  guitar player is easy to recognise..you hear a new song and you say ..he plays like santana
you cant say that with joe
anyway i love his last record "shaps of blues"..but the riff were the same ..30 years before

How stupid are you?

I hate to insult people... But if this guy is going to keep ignoring our posts just so that he can spit out the same lines over and over... Well, he deserves it.

Re: nothing new with bonamassa

JB has nothing new? I am from Louisiana so perhaps I can explain it to you ....

I loved Jimi and Duane & Dickey Betts & Johnny Winter  & John Campbell.

I will put Bonamassa right up there with any of them - perhaps better than them except for Hendrix.

Just my 63 year old opinion (my birthday was yesterday)

We were all young once and today I am shocked at the disrespect I showed to my elders back in the 1960s.

SBS

Re: nothing new with bonamassa

This is a private forum paid for by Joe. So disrespectful. Please can we delete such trolling threads. I suggest the OP join thegearpage.net

Re: nothing new with bonamassa

No return appearance by original poster? Stirred the pot? Yes.
I guess his mission is accomplished since he hasn't been back.
So too this shall pass..........

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