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ok guys I confess that I watched the qualifying and start and finish of the race yesterday, sorry I still could not stick in there for an entire race! -I still have reservations about the entire F1 circus but concede that it is almost exiting given the possibilities of who will be champion....

I think Alonso has the best chance given that the Red Bull boys have been taking points off of each other and poor old Massa just has not been able to get up there to do the same to Alonso.

You do have to say that should Alonso do it it has been a fantastic year for Spanish sport (actually even if he fails it has still been pretty good); World Cup, - a couple of good tennis championships and more importantly World Champion in the real racing 125cc; Marquez, Moto2; Tony Elias, and MotoGP Jorge Lorenzo, - that is a Spanish clean sweep in the premier motorcycle racing classes! Their academy racing structure for kids on bikes clearly works!

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So the climax to the 2010 world championships is nearly with us and what a thrilling and nail biting weekend it promises to be !  This has to have been the best championship fight for years.

There are so many factors to consider as to might win: both Alonso and Webber will be up for it but will they gung-ho themselves out trying to get a good quali time?  Will Vettel outpace his team mate or will the team give Webber all he needs to get himself on pole?  Will the Red Bull boys come to an agreement?  Will it still be raining?  Am I the only one who cares???  You can probably tell I'm excited about this race  cool

to Ian916 - if you watch this race I promise I'll watch a motoGP or something else on two wheels!  Anything but cricket ....

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Looking forward to some dicing in the corners and someone grabbing the WC by the throat. Yes, very exciting finish to a season full of twists and turns.
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Remarkable.

Congratulations to Seb Vettel. Never led the championship at any stage but emerges champion at the last race.

I certainly didn't forsee Ferrari dropping the ball at this stage of this incredible season.

Bitter for Alonso for sure. Stuck behind that Renault for 3/4 of the race must have been soooo frustrating. I wait with interest to read about their thinking. After all, they had brought Massa in and had the time to consider all the factors while Alonso was still running 4th. That they didn't factor in the pace of the early stoppers and how difficult it could be to get past them was a grave mistake.

Unbelievably, a car failure in the final laps could have made Hamilton champion! It didn't and Vettel is a worthy champion. Fastest driver all year really. He's made mistakes, but they all have really, the teams as well. After qualifying yesterday I couldn't see anything other than a Vettel victory with Alonso champion and yet..........there it is.

Well done Seb. Lots of success ahead I'm sure. Well done to Red Bull. No difficult decisions in the end. Shame for Webber, but in the final reckoning over the last 5 races it just hasn't worked out for him. Maybe he gets another chance. We'll have to see.

Roll on next year....................

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hansamike wrote:

Remarkable.

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what a season... unbelievable... ups and downs... unpredictable... and finally Sebastian made the race and the championship against all odds... I am so happy for him  smile  ...and congratulations to him... well done...

PIT...  cool

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Lyn you owe me (and yourself) a motorbike race to watch! But as the season is over you will have a wait although I think that once you have seen a race where there is over-taking every lap there will be no going back!

Well done to Vitel, have to say I am not sorry about Alonso and his warm down lap actions illustrated why I feel the way I do. The podium looked good with former champions flanking the new boy! And REALLY good that a team can produce a champion without team orders! Just a shame that a championship is one in the pits....

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Excellent result not only for Sebastian Vettel but also everyone in the Red Bull team.  And wonderful to see 3 world champions on the podium at the end.  A fitting end to a wonderful season and roll on next March!

Ian - let me know when there's a race on.  Who knows, by this time next year I could be into two wheels as well as four  wink

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Brack wrote:
hansamike wrote:

Remarkable.

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Ian916 wrote:

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The podium looked good with former champions flanking the new boy!

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LynB wrote:

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And wonderful to see 3 world champions on the podium at the end.  A fitting end to a wonderful season

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*thumbs up* that's what I thought, too...  looked really cool... Can't wait until the new season is going to be kicked-off... 

PIT...  cool

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Had a bit of a reflect on the season just gone, which I really enjoyed. Such a contrast after that dire Bahrain beginning!
Here in 2010 we had a team with an almost dominant car and 2 race winning drivers. Should have been a Ferrari-like cakewalk. But through some bad management, bad driving (at times), bad decision-making and bad luck, it kept all the others in the hunt.

I mean I just saw a ‘Motorsport’ headline post the British Grand prix where Webber was demanding he be designated No. 1 and Vettel should support his title bid against…………..Hamilton!!

So in July it was all pretty clear how it should be and yet Vettel wins it at the last race from………..Alonso?

Overall then, despite having the fastest car, sometimes, the others all kept them honest and fate did the rest. Bridgestone played their part as well, providing compounds that were not always ‘optimal’ and rightly so. It kept the teams guessing and constantly developing meaning the result could always be in doubt. They’ll be missed next year but F1 has done wonders for their profile. I mean 10 years ago (is it already more?) they were not a global brand. Now look.

Pirelli are an established name already but what an imponderable they will be for next season. Initially conservative probably. Soft compounds wearing out too quick and hards just, well, too hard probably. Tough! Just get on with it.

As for the drivers. Well Vettel has the big kudos for sure. Alonso has only underscored his relentless ambition. Webber, ever the bridesmaid, now No.2 (in all but name), has the chance finally gone? He and Massa might be swapping hard luck stories next year.

Hamilton, did what he could, when he could but the car wasn’t just good enough all the time. I’m pleased for Jenson. His decision to go to McLaren thoroughly vindicated. Yeah, sure, Lewis had the edge here and there, but Button won races and was always in with a shout. Would he have had that at Mercedes this year? Definitely not!

What of Merc then? Mercedes, nee Brawn, paid for that championship year in ’09 this season. Understaffed from the Honda pull out in’09 there were no resources to do a decent job on the ’10 car. Funnily enough it seems to have suited Michael more since they stopped developing it after Monza! So has Schuey still got it? Does the fire still burn? I think so. Nico has done him up this year and he won’t have liked that. Oh no. But he has kept to the party line. Everything now depends on the roll out of the ’11 car in February. If when he drives it then and he can’t get it turned in like HE likes it, he could well walk away. Another season of squabbling for points in the pack and having Luizzi parking on your head won’t be his idea of fun.

But if they can turn it around then top 10 Q3 is pretty much already settled. It means that Renault and the others are fighting for the last 2 spots every 2 weeks or so. Might it all come down to KERS? Is that really coming back as well? If it does then Force India could be well placed. They, McLaren and Merc run the Merc system which was by far the best. Ferrari was well advanced, but Red Bull never ran one. So do they now get the unproven and unreliable Renault system? Already, there are wheel within wheels (literally). It’s why I love this sport.

Sir Frank is at it again as well. When money talks, Williams driver’s walk. How embarrassing for Williams. The deal is done for the Maldano cash and the Hulkenburg sticks the thing on pole by a second. So another driver slips through their fingers. After Abu Dhabi Frank criticizes Nico’s performance for only coming home 16th. Er, hello, Rubinho only brought his car home 12th. They both raced their hearts out. You can’t pass there. Ask Fernando.

So whither now Nico. No worries Willi Weber is his manager. He’ll be sorted. Lotus, or whatever they are would be a good bet, especially if they get the Renault motor. But if not. He knows the Cosworth and it was second better than anyone else in Brazil so it can’t be all bad.

And what of the new teams. It will be better. They have already found a mammoth amount of lap time since the start of the year. Of course, it now becomes incrementally harder to find but that won’t stop them. Now it’s all about tie ups. Virgin is tying up with the Russians, HRT were tying up with Toyota but that’s now over so they will tie up with someone else and Lotus are tying up with Renault but there is a clause in the deal that says they can’t be called Lotus because Renault are tying up with……………..Lotus!

You couldn’t make it up, but that is F1. I love this story. Tony Fernandes is a bright lad, and a West Ham fan, which make him at worst, like me, an honest fool. But it seems some sharp suit at Lotus is going to deprive him of the Lotus name, after he spent a season reviving it and Tony is going to have to swallow it if he wants the Renault engines. But I have an answer for him which I think will get him the last laugh and secure the moral high ground.

Some years ago a mate told me story he got from a soldier friend. Apparently when stationed in the Falklands the soldiers rather disparagingly referred to the local populace as ‘Bennies’. This was after a character from a long running British TV soap opera, called Benny, who was, shall we say, mentally challenged.

Top brass got alarmed and sent out an edict that use of this name for the locals was to desist immediately. So it was. Some time later though, senior offices became aware that the soldiers now referred to the local population as ‘stills’. Subsequent investigation discovered that the soldiers used the term because, in their eyes the locals were, ‘still’ Bennies.

Now I don’t know if any of that is true, but I like it and I would love to see Tony Fernandes’ Air Asia Cosworth powered STILL Formula 1 team take the grid next year. It would make Renault the butt of all the jokes.

Roll on Bahrain. It is 116 days apparently. I can’t wait, but it is such a daft sport there will still be loads to talk about over the winter.

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Bravo Hansamike for such an insightful, thought provoking and knowledgeable round up of the season and hints of what might come for next year.  Beautifully written.  Nuffin' more to add ...

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It's Back!!! but a slightly shorter season ... i guess!  hmm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsp … efault.stm

27/03
Ok, the first one over.... I'll wait for Lynn to chip in with the first review of the season..  smile

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Well dunno about anyone else but Melbourne left me feeling decidely 'underwhelmed'.

For me the whole 'Wing thing' is a dogs breakfast and in the race I really didn't see it helping too much. The cars with KERS were fast enough out of the corners to prevent cars getting to within the required distance for it to work and get by. So a lot of cancelling out ocurred, it seemed to me.

Such a waste of effort and money. The problem is track design and aerodynamic design of the cars. So stop adding bits and start taking them off! OK Albert Park doesn't really help. It's narrow where you need it to be wide, there's only ever the one line and to get off it now means trashing yours tyres on all the bits of rubber thrown off by everyone else.

So again, just team overtaking efforts, wherelse - in the pits.

Vettel proved he is a class act, in the car of the field, probably of the season. Whats really ominous for this year is that if Red Bull have the reliability they lacked last year, then it is already over. Nearly a second quicker in practice, without KERS. Probably 3-4 tenths of that was Vettel, but the rest was the RB7. Sure it's a long season, but these boys know what they are doing now.

Still I did enjoy Sutil's practice spin. Shows what getting it wrong with this 'wing thing' can do. Why they have the use of it in practice I don't understand. It was designed for race overtaking, so why have it as an aid in practice? As if the speed differential to an HRT isn't already enough! What a season they are going to have. What was it? 9 seconds off the pace?

I don't know why I love this sport. It can be such a joke at times. Any high points at all? Yeah, Petrov getting on the podium and Perez making the rubber last for just one stop. Shame they lost the place because something was a finger nail dimension out.

Yeah, people are fighting for freedom and dying while F1 bores millions of dollars away trying to manufacture some entertainment.

Roll on Malaysia................lets do it all again there.

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hansamike wrote:

Such a waste of effort and money.

could n't agree more, but that's what F1 as become, and now verging on taking the p*** given the World economic situation that we live under.  mad So much money spent on something that in relative terms is so unimportant. I fear that the premier class of bike racing, MotoGP is going the same way with only 16 bikes on the grid this year.  sad

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hansamike wrote:

Well dunno about anyone else but Melbourne left me feeling decidely 'underwhelmed'.

So underwhelmed that I decided to clean the inside windows of my lounge half way through  sad .  We know the first race of the season is a testing ground for the teams but with all the fanfare about the return of KERS and adjustable rear wings you would've thought there'd be a bit more overtaking.  Guess though they have to preserve engines and gearboxes as best they can.  The most excitement was seeing Jenson Button trying to pass Massa who really knew how to make that Ferrari wide on the track but then getting penalised with a pit lane drive through for going off line and overtaking. 

Nonetheless the drivers now have a few more buttons to press so they're slowly becoming more like drivers again as opposed to monkeys in a cockpit where everything was done for them.

My hat goes off to two drivers this weekend: Petrov in a Renault who thoroughly deserved his place after a solid qualifying and race, and the new Scottish boy Paul di Resta who showed a few more experienced racers just what a Force India is capable of.  Who would have thought Force India would have more points than Mercedes!

Malaysia and the Sepang circuit anyone?

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guys you need to have a look at this on i-Player, - sorry for you non UK residents as I think it will only work in the UK, - as the BBC is funded by tax payers.  sad

It is a SUPERB documentary on the very dangerous years of GP racing and how the likes of Jackie Stewart campaigned to change things.

Well worth a hour of your time.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 … ler_Years/

Warning there is a harrowing clip right at the end, - nothing gruesome but quite emotional to see a David Purley desperately trying to save a Roger Williamson's life.

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Somewhat off F1 topic but open wheel related. Peter Dempsey, a family friend and a very fast young Irish driver who my son was mechanic for a year ago in Pro Formula Mazda, just got a ride in Indy Lights after a year off the circuit due to lack of $ and sponsors. He resumed where he left off, finishing 3rd at St. Petersburg in his first race. If he ever got some financing, you would hear about him as a possible F1 driver. He's won in every class he has raced in, just missing the season championship in F Mazda a year ago.
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