Topic: The amp search continues

Hey everyone...

Ok my search continues.....here is what I am looking for (it may never exist)

I'd like to find a combo amp preferably 2x12 but not restricted to that.  Cost under $1,000.  Fender type cleans and Fender type reverb with Marshall vintage classic rock crunch.  Something that weighs less than 60 pounds (27 kg).

I am playing my new Les Paul 58 VOS with Burstbucker pickups and my Les Paul Traditional with '57 pickups.  I am playing mostly blues rock...Zeppelin...Hendrix....Cream....etc.

My head is swimming with all the choices and I seem to be losing focus.  I need help getting back on the right direction...

Can you guys make some suggestions?  Joe, I'd appreciate your input as well...

Thanks everyone!!!

Barry

PS  The 58 has to be the most comfortable and easy playing guitar I have ever owned.  I don't know if I can ever got back to a non-Custom Les Paul again.....

2009 Gibson Les Paul 1958 VOS (with black plastic)
2008 Gibson Les Paul Traditional Goldtop (with the cream plastic from the 58RI)
> Marshall Bluesbreaker 2 pedal >Boss sd-1> DD3 > Vox Ac15cc1

Re: The amp search continues

LesPaul4 wrote:

Hey everyone...



I'd like to find a combo amp preferably 2x12 but not restricted to that.  Cost under $1,000.  Fender type cleans and Fender type reverb with Marshall vintage classic rock crunch.  Something that weighs less than 60 pounds (27 kg).


big_smile

    Join the club, Brother! LOL

    There ARE a ton of options out there, nowadays! But all will have some different strengths and weaknesses. So, you have to weigh the differences for yourself.

    What this ultimately means is:

    Go to the Music Stores and actually play through the Amps you're considering, for yourself.
    If you are not sure of your playing, etc., take a friend who's playing and experience you respect, and have them Demo the various Amps for you.

    If you don't have any friends who play, have one of the Salesmen Demo the different Amps for you.
    The key to having the Salesman Demo things, is to make sure you tell them beforehand that you definately will not be buying anything on that day. In fact, make sure you don't have any $$$$ with you! That way, you don't make any impluse purchases!
    Just make sure to get a Business Caed from the Salesman, and let them know you will buy from them, specifically, if you buy at their store. Make sure you support the Salesman who does the leg-work for you.


    And, go to as many stores as possible, and repeat this process. With NO MONEY IN YOUR POCKETS! LOL
    Even if the different stores sell the same products. As different "Demos" from different people/players, will give you a clearer picture of what is available and what it can do for you.

    And be honest with what you actually need:

   Will the Amp be used in Living Room mainly? Will it be for a Band? Will it be for actual Gigs?

    You have to buy the right Wattage. There really isn't any magic button or box that will make a 50 Watt 212 Combo sound optimal in a Living Room. A 3 to 5 Watt "Champ"? Perfect!

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Carmen Ghia Head- Marshall 112 Cab W/G12H 30  or  Custom 4 X 6v6 Head  or  Budda Twinmaster Plus Head-Traynor 212 Cab w/Eminence Texas Heats. 
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Re: The amp search continues

Fender cleans and Marshall distortion huh?  The age old problem haha!

Some cool amps that can play in both playgrounds are:

1) Fargen Dual Classic -   a two channel amp, clean is described as "blackface" whereas the overdrive is classic Marshall.  I'm not sure it meets your budget but I've heard great things about them!

2) Marshall JTM45 - if you want a single channel amp that has IMO the best characteristics of both camps.  Marshall roar when your guitar is cranked up and Fendery cleans when you back the volume off.

3) Fender '59 Bassman RI - see above, both the JTM45 and Bassman are very similar.  The Bassman has better cleans and slightly better headroom.  If you want even more versitility you could always put a Marshall-flavored overdrive in front of this amp.  I like a Fulltone OCD, Zvex Box of Rock, Skreddy Screwdriver, or MI Audio Crunch Box.

4) Marshall Vintage Modern 2x12'' - it's not going to get you into Blackface territory, but I find that the low gain channel can get some very good cleans.  When you engage the boost channel it's all Marshall baby! cool

'67 and '74 Fender Twin Reverbs, '74 Marshall 1987 lead mkII, Metro Superlead 100. Pedals from TC Electronic, Ibanez, Dunlop, BK Butler, Electro-Harmonix, Fulltone, Maestro/Gibson, Loopmaster switching, VoodooLab, Boss. Gibson and Fender guitars, Dimarzio pickups.

Re: The amp search continues

Well why not a classic fender amp new or old.  I think your better off going for that clean tone you want and shooting for a distortion pedal such as the Tone Bonez pedal with a 12Ax7 Pre amp tube.  Think about it you won't get the thunderous low end of a Marshall but you'll have a damn good clean and with a pedal that creates sustain like a marshall you can get very close to the Marshall tone (but not quite the same.)  You could go for a Fender Deluxe Reverb (20 watts 35 to 40 lbs) get really good clean tones and for distortion crank the amp up loud to get a really good distortion.  Maybe your a Clapton bluesbreaker era fan you could get a Bluesbreaker Clone and have that Marshall sound, but really its more like a Fender Twin. 

Bottom line is I think your better off going for clean because if you got a great clean tone you can get a distortion tone from it thats great too with a pedal.  Its hard to get a great distorted amp to sound great clean a lot of the times.  Just my opinion but I think Fender clean, Matchless (might be out of the price range.)  Oh I had a great little amp one time that comes in a twin 12" format Laney Class A LC-212 I think is what it is.  Very good Vox like clean, and a Distortion that is very rich and smooth.

Re: The amp search continues

Do any of you have experience with the Egnator line? I'm only a home hobbyist and my main amp in a Fender Blues Deluxe reissue. As with most (all?) Fender amps I can get a beautiful clean tone out of it but on the drive channel I can't wring the crunch out of it that I desire. In the future I may put together a pedal board but for now I'd like to get a good tone from just the amp. Just going on reviews on the GC site the Egnator 20 and 30 watt heads and the 30 watt combos look like they can do it all (at a pretty nice price point). That tube blending control has my attention. I'll probably head there tomorrow to put one through it's paces. Thanks!

Just got my GC "Black Friday" coupons which would knock the price down some more.

Major Tom to ground control...

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Re: The amp search continues

how about jca circuits.  not widely known, but check them out.  also, on youtube, phaez amps.  his youtube name is ontariomaximus.  his amps can be put in heads, or i think a combo.  both have good resumes, just not big names yet.  also, look for a gerlitz revelator.  they are not made anymore, but occasionally one on ebay pops up.  look for one with a serial number after 30, or look on the front for the word tre--it's a mod that was done that the earlier ones don't have.  cool