Topic: gibson dark fire

Gibson is coming out with the new "Dark Fire" in december. Its another addition to the robot series. It supposedly can emulate any single guitar sound in the world, with a p-90 in the neck, a burstbucker 3, and a peizo bridge pickup. I am absolutely in love with the color, but unfortunately those robot guitars are just way to futuristic to me :-(. Hopefully they will release the color for just a LP Standard. check it out here: http://www2.gibson.com/Products/DarkFire.aspx


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Logan

Block inlay Gibson ES-335, 50th anniversary American Strat, '61 RI White SG, '62 RI Relic Strat, Replica Korina Flying V, Gold Tone Paul Beard Resonator,  '58 Les Paul RI, American Highway 1 Fender Strat, Breedlove Acoustic, Stonetree Joe Bonamassa Custom, HIWATT Lead 100R, Reeves Custom 30.

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I can't stand the carbon fiber looking inlays and pickups.  Not a fan of the Robot, and I really doubt this is going to make me like it any better.

~ Jason

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I'll stick to tradition.

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Yeah got that Email as well from Gibson....ahh don't know...I'll tune it without the Robot's help....:)

And so castles made of sand melts into the sea, eventually.........

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I like the fact that they are going to printed circuit boards for the wiring in these guitar and also in the 2008 Les Paul Standard.  People say why?  Because they are thinking about guitarist now.  Before when you had to replace something you had to know how to solder.  Now they are talking like everything will be drop in replacement parts so you wont have to solder a thing.  Also they said that if you want to customize your sound with the electronics you can do so with their replacment pickups that drop in place and it wont lower the value of the guitar because it would be original parts that you could mix and match.  Very cool.

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AD3THREE wrote:

I like the fact that they are going to printed circuit boards for the wiring in these guitar and also in the 2008 Les Paul Standard.  People say why?  Because they are thinking about guitarist now.

I have to respectfully disagree.  They are cutting corners because they can stamp those out alot cheaper than paying someone to solder the electronics.  I think it was purely an economical decision. 

They are also forcing you do use their pickups/electronics in order to plug into their boards.

~ Jason

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I like the concept of the VG Strat and the Robot Les Paul in the fact that you don't need to take an arsenal of guitars on the road.  You can change tunings with a flip of a switch and so on.  I look at them as a tool.  Not a musical instrument.
 
But as far a a guitar players guitar-a musical instrument-one you wipe off each night before putting her to bed, the one one that gives you a hard on each nigt on stage...give me an old Les Paul, Strat, beat to hell tele,  or or pre '98 PRS any day.

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The way the replaced the new Standard with the previous is BS.  If they wanted to do it name it something else.  As loyal as I am to Gibson (I wont play anyhitng else is basically what it comes down to lol), I prob. wont be buying any new ones.  The new "assymetrical" neck blows.  Chambered for wieght relief, are you kidding me.  You can't hold an extra 2 pounds if that.  I thought they called it a STANDARD for a reason.  Now they are changing it.  What about all the people who want to go to a store and say I want a Cherry Sunburst Standard with either a 50's style or 60's style neck.  And to get rid of Klusons on its not cool.  If you want to change them after fine, but keep the tuners the way they've always been produced.  The one thing they did do right was the Tone Pro's though, looks stock, but a little modification for the better.  And why change from the CTS pots.  We've all grown to love the sound that came from the.  I say if its not broken why change it....

Ben

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bytor1975 wrote:
AD3THREE wrote:

I like the fact that they are going to printed circuit boards for the wiring in these guitar and also in the 2008 Les Paul Standard.  People say why?  Because they are thinking about guitarist now.

I have to respectfully disagree.  They are cutting corners because they can stamp those out alot cheaper than paying someone to solder the electronics.  I think it was purely an economical decision. 

They are also forcing you do use their pickups/electronics in order to plug into their boards.

Agreed Gibsons taking an easy way out to make more money, I wouldnt pay for a Gibson anyhow not at the moment the price doesnt justify the worth to me... However I do have a Epiphone Standard which when I opened it up to my shock was connected using 4 pin plugs instead of being soldered together.... I had never seen it before anyhow its been stripped and redone big_smile soldering isnt a hard thing to do and its worth learning.

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I agree with the money issue. I will not be buying a brand new les paul, unless its a VOS model. I prefer used anyway... already worn in :-)


Logan

Block inlay Gibson ES-335, 50th anniversary American Strat, '61 RI White SG, '62 RI Relic Strat, Replica Korina Flying V, Gold Tone Paul Beard Resonator,  '58 Les Paul RI, American Highway 1 Fender Strat, Breedlove Acoustic, Stonetree Joe Bonamassa Custom, HIWATT Lead 100R, Reeves Custom 30.

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bytor1975 wrote:
AD3THREE wrote:

I like the fact that they are going to printed circuit boards for the wiring in these guitar and also in the 2008 Les Paul Standard.  People say why?  Because they are thinking about guitarist now.

I have to respectfully disagree.  They are cutting corners because they can stamp those out alot cheaper than paying someone to solder the electronics.  I think it was purely an economical decision. 

They are also forcing you do use their pickups/electronics in order to plug into their boards.

They are not forcing you to do anything.  You can remove all of that circuit and wire the guitar up traditionally with their stuff or anybody else's stuff.  But then you've distroyed the resale value and your easily looking at losing out a $100 or more because its not original any longer.  What I was saying was at least with the new printed circuit boards you could change and swap things out without lossing its resale value.  Its simple and you won't have to pay someone to do it for you if you can't solder.  Its smart bussiness.

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AD3THREE wrote:
bytor1975 wrote:
AD3THREE wrote:

I like the fact that they are going to printed circuit boards for the wiring in these guitar and also in the 2008 Les Paul Standard.  People say why?  Because they are thinking about guitarist now.

I have to respectfully disagree.  They are cutting corners because they can stamp those out alot cheaper than paying someone to solder the electronics.  I think it was purely an economical decision. 

They are also forcing you do use their pickups/electronics in order to plug into their boards.

They are not forcing you to do anything.  You can remove all of that circuit and wire the guitar up traditionally with their stuff or anybody else's stuff.  But then you've distroyed the resale value and your easily looking at losing out a $100 or more because its not original any longer.  What I was saying was at least with the new printed circuit boards you could change and swap things out without lossing its resale value.  Its simple and you won't have to pay someone to do it for you if you can't solder.  Its smart bussiness.

What about when your playing and it starts cutting out due to a bad connection.  You have to stop in the middle of your show to take the back plate off to find whats not plugged in to plug it in and put the cover on.  Nothing is better then a good old piece of wire and a tone pot.  Its worked for a few decades already.

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Again I agree.  Nothing beats some good aged wood and some wires with solder. 
I can't imagine these things bringing in big bucks in twenty or thirty years on the collectors market like a '58 or '59 sunburst or goldtop.

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DannyG wrote:

Again I agree.  Nothing beats some good aged wood and some wires with solder. 
I can't imagine these things bringing in big bucks in twenty or thirty years on the collectors market like a '58 or '59 sunburst or goldtop.

Your not compairing apples to apples.  A 58' or a 59' Les Paul is something special and I'm sure they had lemons too.  Today even VOS models your lucky if you get a solid piece of wood.  Most of the guitars made today are 2 or 3 good pieces of wood glued together so it is one piece.  To get a solid one piece of wood that big anymore is hard to come by.   Plus everything was done by hand in those days.  CNC Routers do everything now and then you have a belt sander polish off the rough edges.  It would cost $10,000 to do a 59' model the way they did it back then.  It is unrealistic.  Also I doubt these parts are just going to fall apart during a show.   Its more likely you'd change something and make sure it worked before you went to the gig.

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I also want to add that I am not a fan of circuit boards and I'm not saying thats the way to go.  I'm just saying its smart of gibson to give you options to change up your guitars sound without screwing with the resale value.  If your that worried about it they still make the Traditonal that does have the Pots and Pickups soldered together.  You could also look at it as try different things before you decide on something and then you'll know what works before you solder it in.

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AD3THREE wrote:
DannyG wrote:

Again I agree.  Nothing beats some good aged wood and some wires with solder. 
I can't imagine these things bringing in big bucks in twenty or thirty years on the collectors market like a '58 or '59 sunburst or goldtop.

Your not compairing apples to apples.  A 58' or a 59' Les Paul is something special and I'm sure they had lemons too.  Today even VOS models your lucky if you get a solid piece of wood.  Most of the guitars made today are 2 or 3 good pieces of wood glued together so it is one piece.  To get a solid one piece of wood that big anymore is hard to come by.   Plus everything was done by hand in those days.  CNC Routers do everything now and then you have a belt sander polish off the rough edges.  It would cost $10,000 to do a 59' model the way they did it back then.  It is unrealistic.  Also I doubt these parts are just going to fall apart during a show.   Its more likely you'd change something and make sure it worked before you went to the gig.

A 58 or 59 les paul LEMON!!!??? Nope, never heard of it, but if you should come accross one I'd be interested in buying it from you ( of course at the lemon rate).

Pots and solder,
fuzzy

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What I was trying to say is that technology is not a bad thing.  A guitar that tunes itself, set's it's own intonation etc is fine.  But I look at guitar like that as a tool...mind you, I would love a VG strat to take on the road just for the conveience of it.  Ijust don't think in the long haul that a robot guitar is going to hold it's value or be sought after like a tradition instrument will.  It's a fad (kinda)

This may be a bad analogy but it's like a '58 chevy today or a 2006 Malibu thirty years from now.  Is anybody gonna want it?

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fuzzy wuzzy wrote:
AD3THREE wrote:
DannyG wrote:

Again I agree.  Nothing beats some good aged wood and some wires with solder. 
I can't imagine these things bringing in big bucks in twenty or thirty years on the collectors market like a '58 or '59 sunburst or goldtop.

Your not compairing apples to apples.  A 58' or a 59' Les Paul is something special and I'm sure they had lemons too.  Today even VOS models your lucky if you get a solid piece of wood.  Most of the guitars made today are 2 or 3 good pieces of wood glued together so it is one piece.  To get a solid one piece of wood that big anymore is hard to come by.   Plus everything was done by hand in those days.  CNC Routers do everything now and then you have a belt sander polish off the rough edges.  It would cost $10,000 to do a 59' model the way they did it back then.  It is unrealistic.  Also I doubt these parts are just going to fall apart during a show.   Its more likely you'd change something and make sure it worked before you went to the gig.

A 58 or 59 les paul LEMON!!!??? Nope, never heard of it, but if you should come accross one I'd be interested in buying it from you ( of course at the lemon rate).

Pots and solder,
fuzzy
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"Failed Muscian" Brian Farmer the guitar tech and his T shirt

Editz=speeling

You'll never find a lemon for a lemon price with les pauls.  Even though they do exist everybody seems to think they're great because they're old and their hero's like Clapton played it.  Just because its old now doesn't mean a darn thing.  It just means its old and people want it.  Remember these guitars were old a few years old in the sixties.  I've never played a real 59' les paul and I'm sure I'd pee my pants just to hold it, but I stand by what I said earlier.  Gibson did and still makes lemons every now and then.  Its fact.  I've even read that the guitars of today are not only more advanced in electronics (as far as building them) they also generally can play better because they hold tighter specs the guitars of the 50's.  Also its like this.  They make tons of guitars these days even the robots.  The original 59' les pauls were less then 500 if I'm not mistaken and thats not even counting if they all made it or not.  So even a lemon would be worth a ton of money to a collector.  As for me my now discontinued Les Paul Classic 1960's plain top is more then enough les paul for me.  And yes I've rewired it so its lost its resale value.
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