• From: Illinois
  • Registered: 2008-06-15
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Topic: question for joe...

hello everybody,

first post right here, lol....bear with me.  i've watched some of these posts in here from time to time, especially about the delayed/reverbed tone stuff.  I've recently began to really dig deep in experimenting with things and trying to find my own sound/style. I've been having a lot of trouble finding the delayed thing Joe has mentioned. When people talk about wet and dry amps, i get lost. I play through a strat i bought all in separate pieces and put together, all american parts. From there it goes to a fulltone clude wah, FD-2, to a keeley clean boost, to S.P.F. Interstate-5 delay, to fulltone deja vibe, choral flange and out to a peavey classic 50 and 64 vibroverb diaz custom.  I have really noticed and understand what joe means by the delay is hard to control. My first question is, where does the delay go, the peavy or fender? and is that going to be the wet amp? or dry amp? And is this something i just cant achieve with the gear i have.  This is probably so simple, but i just cant grasp it, lol. I dont want to be like exact by any means, i'm just looking for a place to start, to experiment with it and explore the possibilities i guess. My second question is basically the same thing, just a point of origin. One of These Days from the Sloe Gin album. Just wondering what he is using. The tone he gets is so crisp and clear. I've found with this setup, my overdrive is way more saturated sounding, not near as clear.  Any feedback, opinions, anything is greatly welcomed and appreciated.  Really looking forward to the voodoo lounge show.

  • From: Detroit
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Re: question for joe...

I can try to take a stab this

Buy the DVD: Joe Bonamassa Signature Sounds
http://www.amazon.com/Joe-Bonamassa/dp/ … mp;sr=8-10

but here is a little taste relative to your question
http://youtube.com/watch?v=BXy0gGqegpA& … re=related


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  • From: Germany
  • Registered: 2008-04-23
  • Posts: 553

Re: question for joe...

Hi and welcome aboard,

you have interesting amps and stuff. There should be something good coming out.
First thing. I would start with a nice crunchy main sound with less gain and a tad more master volume to keep the preamp gain down. Joe uses less gain than many people may think.
Now you can control the distortion better with the vol.pot of the guitar. Then you can get this clear crunchy sound of One of these days.

As to the amp blending. I blend a Marshall 2555 jubilee with a Vox AC-30. Its a perfect combi imho. The marshall has the FX loop where I run a Rocktron Intellifex. The Vox runs clean.

In your case I would use the Peavey as wet amp. It has an FX loop? And the vibroverb as second amp. You should really get a great and interesting mixture from these amps.

Good luck
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  • From: Tampa, Fl.
  • Registered: 2006-04-22
  • Posts: 870

Re: question for joe...

radiographer wrote:

hello everybody,

first post right here, lol....bear with me.  i've watched some of these posts in here from time to time, especially about the delayed/reverbed tone stuff.  I've recently began to really dig deep in experimenting with things and trying to find my own sound/style. I've been having a lot of trouble finding the delayed thing Joe has mentioned. When people talk about wet and dry amps, i get lost. I play through a strat i bought all in separate pieces and put together, all american parts. From there it goes to a fulltone clude wah, FD-2, to a keeley clean boost, to S.P.F. Interstate-5 delay, to fulltone deja vibe, choral flange and out to a peavey classic 50 and 64 vibroverb diaz custom.  I have really noticed and understand what joe means by the delay is hard to control. My first question is, where does the delay go, the peavy or fender? and is that going to be the wet amp? or dry amp? And is this something i just cant achieve with the gear i have.  This is probably so simple, but i just cant grasp it, lol. I dont want to be like exact by any means, i'm just looking for a place to start, to experiment with it and explore the possibilities i guess. My second question is basically the same thing, just a point of origin. One of These Days from the Sloe Gin album. Just wondering what he is using. The tone he gets is so crisp and clear. I've found with this setup, my overdrive is way more saturated sounding, not near as clear.  Any feedback, opinions, anything is greatly welcomed and appreciated.  Really looking forward to the voodoo lounge show.

First off, Welcome to the board!  Now, You could put the delay throught either amp, but I think the best one would be the Peavey - its good to have a bit of overdrive on the delay... if you do that, the Peavey is the "wet" amp - because it has the delay effect on it... The way to go with dealys is to put them in the effects loop of the amp - theyre much easier to control that way and it sounds better (at least to my ears)

Hope that answered some questions,
Scott

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  • From: Illinois
  • Registered: 2008-06-15
  • Posts: 52

Re: question for joe...

hey thanks for the input, wanted to thank you all last night but exams like the ones today deserve lots and lots of attention, lol. now that the exam part of my week is over i'm going to focus more on trying to get this sound thing figured out.  i remember reading that joe puts his leslie pedal through the effects loop too i think.  I can get kinda somewhat close to a leslie with my choral flange, but definately not to the extent of his korg( those are extremely hard to come by i've noticed). well, its a stereo pedal and that how i currently run both amps so i guess if i ran it through the loop i'd have to get an A/B both switch. ahh well....SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS YOU CAN DO, LOL.  again thank you for the advice, have a good day.

Brian

  • From: Illinois
  • Registered: 2008-06-15
  • Posts: 52

Re: question for joe...

hey everyone, sorry to pester you all about this sound thing again. I had last night and today to work on it, it doesnt sound too bad right now but missing something i think, or somethings in wrong place. I ran the delay through the peavey and made it a little bit of crunch sound to begin with. i then too ALL the treble and reverb out of it and put only about 6 bass and 5 middle, with loads more master volume than whatever the other volume know it( guessing normal volume??) On the vibroverb i took majority of base out and upped treble to about 5/5.5 and put reverb on about 4. just seems like its missing something or like i ran something different than i wassupposed to. I'd swear i read somewhere in here that he runs the delay on one side and reverb on the other. lol.  this EJ thing is tough to come close to.

Brian

  • From: Denmark
  • Registered: 2008-04-03
  • Posts: 96

Re: question for joe...

radiographer wrote:

I'd swear i read somewhere in here that he runs the delay on one side and reverb on the other. lol.  this EJ thing is tough to come close to.

Brian

Ive read that too Ö Try looking over the Reverbicated/Delayed tone thread.

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Re: question for joe...

In relation to delay/reverb tone:
Heres how you do the delay thing.. 1st ( Jim your right) you need a wet and a delay amp.. Preferably two different kinds of overdrive.  ex.Marshall/lFender or Marshall / Dumble..  Those are the two I use..  One side ( Marshall) put a DD-3 with all knobs set to 12 oclock, you may have to tweek them depending on the unit itself.. I have 6 DD-3s and they all sound a little different..Keeley makes a good version with a analog switch thats my current fav.  Next take your Fender/ Dumble style amp use a out board reverb (ex Boss digital reverb or old fender spring) or if your amp has reverb so much the better. Disclaimer: the old Fender springs are a constant battle to keep working.. They sound great but are the crutch of my existence right now.. I carry 3, two in the trailer and one on the bus.  Maybe one works right on any given day.. maybe...  So delay on one side reverb on the other.  This makes it all naturally separate both on stage and in the house..  Next is the most imortant thing.  The Delay must be run through the effects loop..  Running a delay in front the amp is extremely difficult to handle.  It runs away from you and its hard to control.  The effects loop is the only answer..  Now as far as effects loops are concerned.  Standard Marshall ones wired in series are the best..  Stay away from the ones wired parallel with all the knobs and controls and switches. They are way too much work and render poor results.. The rest is personal taste.. more subtle or wet or inbetween is up to you.. Its also important to realize that this is not my original recipe, its Eric Johnson's circa 1988.   Got to give credit were its due. Lots of racking my brain trying to figure that one out.


i believe that explains it