19 (edited by Deezer 2008-04-30 03:11:45)

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"maybe once your "band" gets some recognition and you get a little more mileage on you than playing at the watering hole in your local town, i'll care more about what you have to say"

Well, if you're going to be that way, I'll make sure to not do something as outrageous and insulting as disagreeing with you and allowing you to have your opinion.

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20 (edited by vinceesquire 2008-04-28 15:58:20)

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39W46dLA8BI

i don't care what any article says....these are 2 of the greatest of all time...you won't find players that put more into their music than these two...

BB would drop kick just about any player off any stage with just one of those stinging high octave notes...

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Yes, I see you guys think the same of me. He does not seem to realise how much great blues music there is out there - clearly a writer who has not done his research.
Please don't insult each other over it though!

"The recently formed Edinburgh Blues Club has identified an appetite for the personal communication between musicians and audience that the blues long ago perfected." The Herald Newspaper (Scotland)
http://www.edinburgh-blues.uk

22 (edited by vinceesquire 2008-04-28 16:23:15)

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i deleted my last post...i'm just aggravated that all this guy does is post on how he disagrees with me...i don't care...so why make it known? usually i'm a very encouraging person...i like to see people succeed (especially young musicians...thats why i spend alot of my time working with younger kids who are interested in music) but for this guy to go off spouting things he has no real idea about (and always replying to my posts obviously trying to get a rise out of me)...i don't know...its hard to encourage that...but thats ok...since they are his opinions...i'll just sit here and have a good chuckle at them from time to time from the comfort of my own chair...no point in getting riled up over it...

i went overboard...my bad.

anyways....check out the video i posted...sure brought a smile to my face...

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vinceesquire wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39W46dLA8BI

i don't care what any article says....these are 2 of the greatest of all time...you won't find players that put more into their music than these two...

BB would drop kick just about any player off any stage with just one of those stinging high octave notes...

a new low...replying to myself...haha!!!

i also spy a certain mr. robert cray playing in this video as well...i just caught that...

24 (edited by eva 2008-04-28 16:55:28)

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PaulB74 wrote:

I don't get how Jack White gets mentioned, but Joe doesn't.....but then I also don't get The White Stripes as a whole anyhow. Don't see him as blues, just crap!! That's just my opinion anyway.

Sunday Times = contentious + pretentious

I agree 100% - saw a live performance of the White Stripes on TV and it was just poor and not worth to be called rock or even blues music. Maybe I shouldn´t express that opinion, because I really don´t know too much about them - "Seven nation army" was a catchy tune, but I just hate the way they are media-hyped as the "future of rock music" ... they´re just mediocraty in my eyes, not bad, but nothing to remember.

And that whole article is just embarrassing for the person who wrote it .... everyone can have his/her opinion though. But it´s sad that a person who has obviously no idea about the subject he´s writing about is allowed to publish his thoughts.

"Crazy" is a good song, but definitely not the best blues song since years ... that´s just ridiculous.

I hope you guys wrote some mails to the Sunday Times .......

Eva

25 (edited by suhl 2008-04-28 17:09:24)

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seemed like the guy who wrote the article didnt even listen to blues.  im tired of hearing people even attempt to talk modern blues if all they are going to say is black keys this and white stripes that.  f that noise let's see an article from someone who actually has some listening experience and didnt just quickly read up on the genre.  i mean robert cray and bb king as putting fast fretwork before soulful playing?  what the hell?!  was he trying to see if the audience really was that ignorant?  then to say for his pitfalls hendrix never put flash before soul while those other three did?  WHAT?!  honestly it is insulting that was printed and it's a shame too because i like t he idea which was pretty simple(why isn't blues more popular) but please next time have it written by someone who maybe is a fan of the genre or at very least kind of familiar with any of today's acts or the forefathers because this guy doesnt know **##.

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Well this turned a bit sour :s

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It's a shame isn't it?

Back to the article, I do think one point is important, that it's gotten to the point where it's getting really hard to define what a genre is. I mean, look at Joe. Perfect example. We consider him blues, but he's playing hard rock, he's playing jazzy stuff, he's playing Indian music, he's playing country chicken pickin' stuff. It's not the blues that B.B. King played. And it should be mentioned that B.B.'s also not the purest of bluesmen when it comes to playing music. He's very open to other styles of music, he's done funk, rnb, rock, even rap (a duet with Heavy D on Keep It Coming off of Deuces Wild). But the point is that the blues influenced rock and roll, jazz, rockabilly, funk, rnb, and a host of other genres. Well, now those genres are coming back and influencing the blues. So it gets really hard to define a genre. What we get a bazillion subgenres: blues/rock, Chicago blues, Texas blues, British blues/rock, soul/blues, hip-hop blues. So, I do like the fact that the guy from the Black Keys just says to play music and don't worry about titles, because honestly, it's getting harder and harder to classify music. Like for instance, in my iTunes, AC/DC and Chuck Berry are classified as Rock. You can't get farther away in the spectrum of rock than those two. But it's enjoyable, and that's all that matters. That's why you'll see me listen to everything from Robert Johnson to Joe to Stevie to BB to Gnarls to Travis Tritt to John Fogerty to the Foo Fighters. It just matters anymore whether you like it or not.

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Deezer wrote:

It's a shame isn't it?

Back to the article, I do think one point is important, that it's gotten to the point where it's getting really hard to define what a genre is. I mean, look at Joe. Perfect example. We consider him blues, but he's playing hard rock, he's playing jazzy stuff, he's playing Indian music, he's playing country chicken pickin' stuff. It's not the blues that B.B. King played. And it should be mentioned that B.B.'s also not the purest of bluesmen when it comes to playing music. He's very open to other styles of music, he's done funk, rnb, rock, even rap (a duet with Heavy D on Keep It Coming off of Deuces Wild). But the point is that the blues influenced rock and roll, jazz, rockabilly, funk, rnb, and a host of other genres. Well, now those genres are coming back and influencing the blues. So it gets really hard to define a genre. What we get a bazillion subgenres: blues/rock, Chicago blues, Texas blues, British blues/rock, soul/blues, hip-hop blues. So, I do like the fact that the guy from the Black Keys just says to play music and don't worry about titles, because honestly, it's getting harder and harder to classify music. Like for instance, in my iTunes, AC/DC and Chuck Berry are classified as Rock. You can't get farther away in the spectrum of rock than those two. But it's enjoyable, and that's all that matters. That's why you'll see me listen to everything from Robert Johnson to Joe to Stevie to BB to Gnarls to Travis Tritt to John Fogerty to the Foo Fighters. It just matters anymore whether you like it or not.

OH...OH MY GOSH!

something we finally agree on! great example by using BB...he's one of the most recorded artists in the business...with everyone from the Fun Lovin Criminals in the UK to U2...he's versatile like that...and these days you really have to be because, as you said, it's hard to really define a musical genre these days.

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We've agreed on a lot of things. You just choose to remember the one or two instances that we haven't. But it's all good.

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I deleted my above post.  Sorry for my contribution to the unpleasantness.

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See kissing and making up its all good big_smile

32 (edited by PaulB74 2008-04-29 04:21:09)

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JohnTB wrote:
PaulB74 wrote:

I don't get how Jack White gets mentioned, but Joe doesn't.....but then I also don't get The White Stripes as a whole anyhow. Don't see him as blues, just crap!! That's just my opinion anyway.

Sunday Times = contentious + pretentious

Sorry Paul dont agree Jack White is a good artist and has alot of good original blues numbers out aswell as some pretty cool stuff his take on jolene (which I saw incidentally was awesome). When the stripes hit it big I think they got alot of TV play (Q,MTV etc) they got alot of radio play too, I think it was mainly due to one song getting into everyones head specially kids and newer guitarists "Seven Nation Army" such a catchy song. Although I agree Joe doesnt get credit he deserves I dont agree with slating The White Stripes cuz imo and it is just an opinion Jack White is good and he deffo earned his way into my playlist.

:x

I was going to write a post to explain in greater depth my opinions of The White Stripes, but I don't want add to the already negative vibe. Let's just agree to disagree eh John. I did enjoy "Seven Nation Army" though, but after seeing them performing live on TV(poor beyond belief is the only way I could describe it), I dismissed them from then on to be perfectly honest!!

Maybe I'll give them another listen at some point, to see if I can get where you're coming from John, how bout that?

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PaulB74 wrote:

I was going to write a post to explain in greater depth my opinions of The White Stripes, but I don't want add to the already negative vibe. Let's just agree to disagree eh John. I did enjoy "Seven Nation Army" though, but after seeing them performing live on TV(poor beyond belief is the only way I could describe it), I dismissed them from then on to be perfectly honest!!

Maybe I'll give them another listen at some point, to see if I can get where you're coming from John, how bout that?

Indeed wasnt gonna argue bout it anyhow musics totally subjective smile when I saw them they was good but saying that it was a while back smile

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PaulB74 wrote:

I was going to write a post to explain in greater depth my opinions of The White Stripes, but I don't want add to the already negative vibe. Let's just agree to disagree eh John. I did enjoy "Seven Nation Army" though, but after seeing them performing live on TV(poor beyond belief is the only way I could describe it), I dismissed them from then on to be perfectly honest!!

Maybe I'll give them another listen at some point, to see if I can get where you're coming from John, how bout that?

Maybe we saw the same poor TV show, turned our backs on them instantly and will never know that they´re actually good ?! wink

Eva

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Quite possibly Eva. How a band performs live is paramount to me, and they just didn't do it for me. There must be something there though, for all the positive press about him!?!

Anyway, back to the topic.....still not a good article!! smile

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Hey John,
I didn't realize how big MUSE was until I saw the opening of the DVD from Wembley Stadium, WOW and very cool cinemantography! The 18 year old did a small pilgrimage of MUSE shows when they were in the states last summer.  And within the last year I read a Gary Moore interview where he stated that seeing a MUSE performance was the reason he chose to go back to the blues (paraphrasing)...as if to say, who could compete with that, he thinks they are amazing.  Some of the family music banter, since we tease each other sometimes, I tell my boys if they like MUSE, I'm surprised they don't like more than 2 Queen songs, or the Who's Tommy or even a little opera...Matt's vocals are incredible, what a vocal range!!! Yep, you're right, music is totally subjective and kissing and making up is even better! smile

Back to the article, Greenose...is that paper considered a tabloid, as in trashy journalism? big_smile

JohnTB wrote:

Im always nice!! big_smile While my guitar gently weeps is a beauty admittedly, and Angela your sons have taste, I consider Muse one of the most talented bands around atm Matt Bellamy (Muse's front man) really has his stuff going for him such a talented guy and one of the reasons I wanted to play music so much though I dont do anything like Muse.

Chris

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/ … 758139.ece

I think thats it

I replied about the article

"I think your article is totally mis-guided and I reckon you go listen to some blues, Like Joe Bonamassa...."

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