Topic: Message to Joe and the 'management' - future UK tours ?

My first post - saw Joe twice last week, Crawley and Shepherd's Bush Empire. Joe and the band get better and better each time. First saw him at the Boom Boom club, then SBE and Mr Kypps last summer. If I had the time I would go to all the UK gigs.

One question I have is whether Joe would ever consider a G2 type UK/European tour, rather than G3, and bring Eric Johnson over from the States ?

On Eric's forum there is always debate about playing in Europe but the problem always seems to be a lack of promoters willing to take the chance. There is also reference to issues with shipping Eric's guitar rig across, but Joe seems to have solved that problem, best live guitar tone I've ever heard by miles. Can't imagine that Joe's live guitar sound is better in the States, if it is then I'd pay the flight costs to listen!

Could be the perfect solution to seeing, in my opinion anyway the two best guitarists in the world, on the same bill

Is that a good or a stupid idea ?

Answers on a postcard please to .........

Re: Message to Joe and the 'management' - future UK tours ?

Too much guitar on one bill. The average attendee wouldn't enjoy it. The "power users", or the "super enthusiasts" are the only ones that would wish for it. Consequently,  no promoter is currently out there putting it together.

If there are lack of promoters willing to take a chance on Eric Johnson, it's because they don't think it would be a money making proposition.

Joe leaves an entire rig in Europe, because he is there touring a couple of times a year.

PC

“A friend is someone that will help you move............a TRUE friend will help you move the bodies." -- anon

Re: Message to Joe and the 'management' - future UK tours ?

G2 is a Great idea but I would pay any price to see the bill contain Joe & Gary Moore.

Could you imagine the intensity on stage.
It would truly be a GREAT event.

Scott

Re: Message to Joe and the 'management' - future UK tours ?

Swloessy wrote:

G2 is a Great idea but I would pay any price to see the bill contain Joe & Gary Moore.

Could you imagine the intensity on stage.
It would truly be a GREAT event.

Scott

Now you're talking, what a fantastic show that would be!!

Crazy old Scottish person, still playing, still learning.

Re: Message to Joe and the 'management' - future UK tours ?

I blieve what Phil stated was his opinion. There you go leaving out that IMO again. My take is you form a co-bill tour to either tap into a broader audience or to expose one audience to the other. This would do neither. IMO

The guitar freaks know who both artists are. So exposing one audience to anothers crowd won't benefit either. They both belong to the same niche'.

The reason Joe is selling so well in Europe is he is crossing over into a broader audience. The possible reason Eric isn't is he has stayed in the niche'. Eric also has not toured much recently. I don't know how much he even toured when he was a Grammy award winner.

I would agree with Jane that Satriani because of his European and Japnese following might benefit Joe. Satriani has toured more frequently abroad and built a much larger audience than Eric. It might benefit the two Joe's to combine for a tour. Especially in Japan.

Right now Joe B is doing it on his own and that is really a good thing. Royal Albert Hall next tour is quite a testament to the fact that he doesn't need to tour with anybody else. Touring with another artist compicates so many things.

Co-bills can be packages put together by the artist or agency like Sam Bush and Joe or a promoter or festival could book them both individually on the same show. The latter requires them to negotiate with each artist seperately. It would be more likely to happen if the artist joined up and sold the show as a package. Joe and Eric don't share the same agency so that makes it even more difficult to do.

Re: Message to Joe and the 'management' - future UK tours ?

My thoughts are that they could try the concept out in Southern Oregon B4 taking is across the pond. The Rogue Theater in Grants Pass specifically.

We might need a couple of shows to determine if it is a good enough collaboration!

The Pacific Northwest would be willing to be the guinea pig.

We love Joe and EJ out here.

RockinRon & The BluesMistress

Two kinds of women in this world. Theres naughty and there's nice
Any man will tell you that one is a virtue
And the other is a Vice.
Warren Haynes-Inside Outside Women Blues #3-By a Thread

Re: Message to Joe and the 'management' - future UK tours ?

Jane H. wrote:

Just going to try to clarify my opinion. I didn't say what i did on basis of what may benefit Joe. Beyond that there are so many thing or roads in life for anyone, including Joe, that can benefit you but not necessairly you wallet.

Certainly there are things you can do and benefits you can receive beyond money.

The reason I always post on that side of things is because it is a business; while we may love it because of the art that is being produced, at the end of the day if someone doesn't pay for it then its not happening. When people start using the "I believe in my heart that it is so" argument, it is usually because there aren't any facts to back it up; its wishful thinking.

Certainly a guy like Clapton that has been ultra successful for over 40 years, made millions of dollars, and has no financial needs can put on an all day festival of guitar heroes and then give the money to charity. I don't think Joe is in that boat yet. So it has to make business sense first (for both parties) before it could be put together. Normally when people start asking for these dream bills there is never a thought to the "how does it make sense from a business point of view" angle.

I interject a bit of the business angle, sprinkled with some things that I already know -- not to poo poo someones request, but to add a little levity to the situation. Like for instance, let's say it made better sense for Joe to do something with Satriani.......what makes it a good thing for Satriani to do it with Joe?

Did you know that if you are a promoter booking a show for Joe that there are certain requirements and limitations on who, what, and how long another artist can be on the bill? Did you know that Joe's management put some of that criteria in there because they don't want too much guitar on one bill? Did you think it was just a fluke that when Joe signed an artist to his label, and started touring a bit with him that it wasn't another artist similar to Joe?

When I spoke of the "power user" or "super enthusiast" we have to realize that is US. The people that visit this forum everyday (sometimes several times an hour) and post hundreds and thousands of times. We buy everything Joe puts out and go see him multiple times per year and continually ask for more. We are the equivalent of the sports fan that listens to sport radio everyday and also calls in to the sports radio station. Very passionate and vocal, but also a very small segment of the sports fan community. Business sense says you don't run an advertisement or put a show together to attract US; we are already here.

The original poster's question was whether Joe would consider this type of tour, a G2 tour. It was directed to Joe and management. We all know that if that kind of question was going to be answered it wouldn't be answered by JB or management in these forums. So I put my opinion up there (there it is Jim, the disclaimer). Not to run down the idea or start an argument or to turn it into "the man's keeping us down again" situation.

I think its a fact, not an opinion, that if it made business sense a promoter would find a way to put it together and essentially hire Joe and Eric to do it. That's what promoters do.

Did you ever wonder why the BBA (Bonamassa, Bogert, and Appice) thing didn't happen? They jammed together on a couple of occasions, talked about the thing happening, actually at some point someone announced it was happening and then "poof" its over. Could it be because at the end of the day it didn't make business sense to do it?

Go figure...

PC

IMO (H intentionally left off at the direction of my forum buddies) big_smile

“A friend is someone that will help you move............a TRUE friend will help you move the bodies." -- anon