Topic: Fall 2017 Presale Eblast On It's Way

Hello All!

I was just given a heads up that the eblast containing all of the ticket links and codes is on it's way. There was a slight delay in getting the links created by the venues, but they are all coming in now and we will get that blast out to you as soon as we possibly can!

-Street Team Eric

2 (edited by RickB 2017-04-04 12:57:42)

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Code wrong for Sta. Barbara. Would kick off, then when accepted, all good seats sold. The presale is a joke now.
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I got my blast at 4:30 central time yesterday. It's a good thing I know to look here or Facebook first. I wonder if it is time to re think the system.

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The code emails never reach me until way later in the day of the sale. Yesterday's arrived at 5:44 p.m. CDT.

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5 (edited by Jane H. 2017-04-05 09:11:34)

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jim m wrote:

I got my blast at 4:30 central time yesterday. It's a good thing I know to look here or Facebook first. I wonder if it is time to re think the system.

Even though I know there was discrepancies and Beacon omitted from the first posting here as compared to the email blast.....I personally appreciate it getting posted here first, and pre-presale. If that had been right the first time , would there be the same beef roll ?
We DO know to check here...why would we want more competition than there already is?
and yeah for the record i shed no tears for fans who know about the forum but choose to ignore it...
I can only imagine the number of people on the email blast....prob all sign ups(100s of thousands?)....not just 'street team' signups (whatever that means anyway)

Oh maybe if we had a fan club we pay for AND be forced to read excessive marketing emails before we get the clue needed to figure out the way to unlock the secret code to buy a $30 tshirt to receive the code in the mail, to get to the trivia quiz to get the lottery to hope to win the codes? That might eliminate some scalpers?
#forumfirst

I know I am only half thinking it thru but not sure what would work better?
I remember samjp4 telling us IIRC that with Tom Petty , if you are in fan club, you must pick up tickets at the venue with your cc and id....that seems like a good option, although buying tickets 6 months in advance....I dunno, as boring as it is, my life is not that predictable.....and I have had to give/sell tickets before....and at $200ish a pop.....i dunno....

Thanks for posting the codes here Eric and whoever  may be responsible for making that policy. Its one of the things I can still count on....

seriously though, I dont buy for too many acts....so I dont know

its a shame there isnt the old box office anymore
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I wish the codes were only posted here on the forum. The email blast hardly mattered since the codes were literally posted all over the internet. I think I saw them shared on facebook in at least 20 places both in groups and on people's own personal pages not to mention it was put out on twitter as well. Use to be that a presale with fan codes were a special thing to be kept somewhat secret from the entire world in order to give only the fans a better chance at scoring tickets. Now, it seems like there is no sense in even having codes if they are going to be put out the for the entire world to see.  Everyone these days has some type of device that allows them to access this site whether they are signed up to be a member or not. They all expect everything to be handed to them on a silver platter. For something like this it should require a little bit of effort. It's not like presale is the only way the entire world can get tickets. They do go on sale to the general public within a few days.

7 (edited by Jane H. 2017-04-05 10:07:57)

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Thnx Natasha.... I still don't think it is necessarily the best option because I know scalpers lurk here but gee whiz yeah I just noticed the codes were posted on Joe's band facebook page yesterday morning.....you know the page with 2.8 MILLION likes.....and a sponsored post at that

I'm not sure I am willing to pay $$ for fan club - its almost more of a given to get a good seat from a scalper, shame to say - but I am willing to jump through some hoops more than click like on a FB page....

I still am not saying I know the answer just blahblahing

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Given the number of concerts this Fall, the demand should have been pretty spread out across venues. (I know the Beacon had heavy demand and problems internally).

That said, I personally think the problem is Ticketmaster and the venues withholding seats for their own scalping, likely with proceeds split to encourage it. Those seats never see the light of day for fans. In certain venues where they reward their own season ticket holders with seats to everything (Saratoga comes to mind) lots of seats are accounted for in advance of any sales, fan club or elsewise.

It is amazing how easy the process is without Ticketmaster involved. Yesterday at the Ithaca venue where there is no Ticketmaster, there were good seats all over the place. It was a very easy process.

I have no magic solutions. My feeling is that getting in the venue in good seats (as opposed to perhaps THE best seats) might be an obtainable goal.

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nmagcorn wrote:

I wish the codes were only posted here on the forum. The email blast hardly mattered since the codes were literally posted all over the internet. I think I saw them shared on facebook in at least 20 places both in groups and on people's own personal pages not to mention it was put out on twitter as well. Use to be that a presale with fan codes were a special thing to be kept somewhat secret from the entire world in order to give only the fans a better chance at scoring tickets. Now, it seems like there is no sense in even having codes if they are going to be put out the for the entire world to see.  Everyone these days has some type of device that allows them to access this site whether they are signed up to be a member or not. They all expect everything to be handed to them on a silver platter. For something like this it should require a little bit of effort. It's not like presale is the only way the entire world can get tickets. They do go on sale to the general public within a few days.

Even worse I went on Vivid and seats were available before the time of fan presale. Unfortunately no one is going to be able to coral this. People do this for a living taking advantage of others. Seems like someone has a in with someone buys all the first two or three rows then sells them for 2 to 3 times the value. This is going to be the norm unfortunately

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My experience yesterday was a bit different...the venue (sacramento memorial auditorium) is not a ticketmaster venue, which is good and bad...good, that they don't have the pre-presale grab of premium tix for PREMIUM prices...bad, when you don't know who the vendor is you can't get in the presale without the "email blast" which ended up for me as just a change in the "Tour Dates" far right box that included a link to the vendor.....but that box with the link didn't work when I inserted the code so I had to call the Sac Mem Audi box office and order through a real, talking person (rather refreshing)....bad again was when the lady told me initially that I could buy tix in the front row, center section, then she said "Those seats have just been taken" and offered me second row, center section...she then said "Those seats have just been taken as well as all center section seats back to row 15"....I think PBS and the Auditorium season ticket holders have a lock on those....so I ended up with front row, left hand side of stage, which I am happy with as I can deal with a crook in my neck to sit that close....I too think that if they gave the codes and links to the proper ticketing agent in the "Street Team" thread in this forum ONLY it would be fair to the faithful...but we would have to monitor ourselves to keep from releasing the codes willie nillie....

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Yes getting good close center seats is almost a thing of the past.
Right up there with meet n greet access.

Yes I believe that Ticketmaster holds into tickets for their own scalpers.

Plus Ticketmaster treats every device different ie pc vs phone vs tablet.

I had no choice but to use my tablet yesterday. I ended up in row 9 way stage right as that was the only choice it picked for  me. No choice on the map was taken away be Ticketmaster site.

Later in the day I checked with my phone and I could see better seats, but I'd already committed to the first purchase.
All this because the boss said I couldn't do it from work.

I'm with Natasha.
Post pre-sale codes here. 
Won't stop someone from clip and paste in to Facebook, but hey might slow some scalpers down

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Hmm... I've never bought concert tickets before Joe, so I don't know what a normal experience is. But that how it was for me yesterday: knew from summer presale to look for individual tickets, not the pairs. So had 3 windows open: Beacon Saturday show  - orchestra center right row bb $230, Springfield MA row c  $175 and Montreal row A for $204 CAN. So only was considering travel times etc between those 3. Picked Montreal ( $155 american dollars for first row!!!). And so regret today about not buying Beacon ( it's not available anymore ) - sigh,  but also have several shows through PBS - yeah, I am a Bonaholic and Bonavirgin on top of that... bingeticketbuying smile
So I guess I like the codes . Also bought my Portland, ME tickets ( 4th row ) through Summer fan presale.

13 (edited by Chawbacon 2017-04-07 11:37:39)

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Tom Petty's Highway Companion Club has worked well for me.    It cost $60 to join the first time,  which I did in 2014 to see TP and the Heartbreakers in Tulsa.     Our seating was not that good,  wife was very disappointed,  it was to the side of the stage , one level up.

But I re-upped in Dec for $50 to get tickets for TP's show in OKC this month,  and I'm on the fourth row from the stage , on the floor.  Very happy with results.

Yeah, it seems like $60 more for tickets was a lot, but it was only $30 per ticket,  and IIRC ,   I could buy up to four tickets. 

And the tickets can only be picked up at will call on the day of the concert.

Evidently,  TP uses this to identify his fans and try to get around scalpers, and get his fans the best seats.    But really, if scalpers are a real concern to acts, then increasing supply by scheduling more than one night, is one answer.     Paul McCartney does this,  he will add another night and it really cuts the legs out from under those trying to profit on the secondary market.    Garth Brooks just keeps adding shows, as each one sells out,  I think he now has six nights in Kansas City.   But I realize less popular acts like Joe and others, can't do that.

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Chawbacon wrote:

Tom Petty's Highway Companion Club has worked well for me.    It cost $60 to join the first time,  which I did in 2014 to see TP and the Heartbreakers in Tulsa.     Our seating was not that good,  wife was very disappointed,  it was to the side of the stage , one level up.

But I re-upped in Dec for $50 to get tickets for TP's show in OKC this month,  and I'm on the fourth row from the stage , on the floor.  Very happy with results.

Yeah, it seems like $60 more for tickets was a lot, but it was only $30 per ticket,  and IIRC ,   I could buy up to four tickets. 

And the tickets can only be picked up at will call on the day of the concert.

Evidently,  TP uses this to identify his fans and try to get around scalpers, and get his fans the best seats.    But really, if scalpers are a real concern to acts, then increasing supply by scheduling more than one night, is one answer.     Paul McCartney does this,  he will add another night and it really cuts the legs out from under those trying to profit on the secondary market.    Garth Brooks just keeps adding shows, as each one sells out,  I think he now has six nights in Kansas City.   But I realize less popular acts like Joe and others, can't do that.

I personally like the idea of a paid fan club and have lobbied for it in the past. I think it would of been premature 5 years ago but feel it's time has come. There can be special store items offered to fan club members even this forum could be locked down with members only access. It seems to have served it's original purpose and could be moved behind a pay wall. The current pre sale model just isn't all the effective except in the smaller markets and in venues that aren't ticketbastard operated. The street team also has run it's course in my opinion. Offering Meet and Greet packages to fan club members would be I think more desirable but Joe just seems to not like the idea of paying for access. I know the lithograph is basically paying for access but in reality it isn't a bad deal with what tickets cost these days. The PBS packages are pay for access but the stations retain that as part of their fundraiser so it is different than simply charging for access.

Doubt anything will change any time soon though. Organizing and operating a fan club would be a full time job for somebody. There are services some artists use to run their fan clubs but you give up some control and the personal touch J&R likes to retain.

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I agree that the street team has "run its course"...the course it was on...one of those so many roads things lol...i dunno
i can imagine ways it could work but it would take some good communication....
its been mixed messages to me the past decade but FWIW i was glad to help when i could....

as far as the forum though...I hesitate to ask...what WAS its purpose? i mean sure i get it....to help fans have a place to talk about things...that they will eventually spread to make other fans etc, its not a free thing to implement or anything, I alwys have appreciated it.... and for real...i get a feeling that for me personally there was some sort of greater purpose from the Heavens or something...having met some of my favorite people here that i doubt I would have otherwise, and I'm at least as grateful for that as i am having gotten to know Joe a bit thru here and him to get to know me thru here. In that way....I'm good, its served its 'original' purpose but i like to think, even though he hasn;t posted here in about a year, that maybe it went beyond the 'original purpose' for Joe, like it did many of us.
Heck it was even the best place for  tour info for the website for a while with fans finding info and sharing it before management let us know the booked gigs, back when the tour page was updated after shows were over...or the day before said show etc...but i mean I like to think it was a special place for special friends, not just a promotional tool. For Joe too. I dunno...it really hit me hard the way you said that, served its original purpose....
but beyond that, what the heck purpose would a paid membership forum have?
a place to put pre sale codes?
I know of another guitarist who does have a paid access message board. I've not joined but its clear that the artist answers questions there, and shares info not found elsewhere.
i wouldn't be opposed to that but truly, given the history here...it wouldn't feel right in so many ways. It wouldn't BE right IMO...I mean this place hasn't just been historic to ME, its been mentioned in magazines etc/interviews etc., because of its uniqueness and its strong presence, IIRC......I'm not trying to try to convince saving it as is - cause i figure its inevitable - but i do think my points are accurate.

I'm all for trying to get great seats to a Joe show but i am really not so sure how any of the suggestions would make that much more difference - or make it easier - than the current system. I just imagine if they advertise it, more people with more money than most of us will join and then where are the rest of us left? seems like worse off ticketwise than now
and of course i am not asking for anything....i knew this day was coming from the start...surprised it took so long really (but you can't guesstimate or speculate cause and effect). I dunno, I'm along for the ride. I don't have the answers except for what this forum equals.

anyway....paid forum....  #mumble #thatain'tright
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This was Joe's original social network marketing in practice. Nobody knew it but in retrospect that is what this was. Most everybody and I believe even Joe have moved on tho other platforms where it is much less personal. Joe is involved in Facebook, Twitter, Instagram all with a broader audience and ability to reach more people than this forum does. He is involved in the Les Paul Forum and posts regularly there. I even mentioned to him that I thought this forum was on life support and he could save it.

It is a historical record and I believe it needs to remain a tool for building fan relationships but it needs to evolve a bit and more importantly I believe Joe needs to help it by getting back involved with it. He used to know the members and I'm not so sure that is true other than those that have been here a long time. By making it a perc of fan club membership might just be a way forward. I am approaching my 15th anniversary of my first live experience and having this forum to come to and connect with the few other fanatics was such a great thing. Of course Facebook is there for people too. Nothing like having Opie chime in from time to time.

Really I don't long for the good old days of small clubs and personal interaction as much as I realize you can incorporate some of that in today's current level of success. Here is a place that you can do that. It wouldn't be like starting something new it would just be an evolution. Maybe requiring something as simple as registering to see the content. Always has been a place for people to lurk and learn and at some point join in. Just not that many people joining in anymore. Forum membership was a badge of honor for awhile and it needs to be that once again.

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jim m wrote:

This was Joe's original social network marketing in practice. Nobody knew it but in retrospect that is what this was. Most everybody and I believe even Joe have moved on tho other platforms where it is much less personal. Joe is involved in Facebook, Twitter, Instagram all with a broader audience and ability to reach more people than this forum does. He is involved in the Les Paul Forum and posts regularly there. I even mentioned to him that I thought this forum was on life support and he could save it.

It is a historical record and I believe it needs to remain a tool for building fan relationships but it needs to evolve a bit and more importantly I believe Joe needs to help it by getting back involved with it. He used to know the members and I'm not so sure that is true other than those that have been here a long time. By making it a perc of fan club membership might just be a way forward. I am approaching my 15th anniversary of my first live experience and having this forum to come to and connect with the few other fanatics was such a great thing. Of course Facebook is there for people too. Nothing like having Opie chime in from time to time.

Really I don't long for the good old days of small clubs and personal interaction as much as I realize you can incorporate some of that in today's current level of success. Here is a place that you can do that. It wouldn't be like starting something new it would just be an evolution. Maybe requiring something as simple as registering to see the content. Always has been a place for people to lurk and learn and at some point join in. Just not that many people joining in anymore. Forum membership was a badge of honor for awhile and it needs to be that once again.

I for one would be happy to pay for membership if it meant greater access to Joe to ask questions etc.

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I probably would too Adrian...but i dunno he would have to WANT to....plus i dunno, i think it would get upsetting to some who paid if he didn't answer everyone's questions...IDK

and FWIW Jim, I dont disagree with most of your points BUT i do not see how a register to access to forum would be of any plus...to this place or to Joe's machine...i think it would minimize it. I mean i wonder how many folks would have ever jumped in they had to register....and i am fairly certain that not having to register has brought many many more views...more sharing t gain more fans etc...

i don't know what thats worth...but i try to not look at it like that.
I am not in denial though i mean I know Joe would meet with fans and post here partly to gain more recognition but i still like to think this place meant more in some way to him...and reasons he posted were because he had personal interest to, not just $ interest to...i dunno...

I don't think a paid access forum is the worst idea but only if it was separate from this one, this one could remain the same or close to it....i don't think that would minimize from a paid Joe posts here forum.

i have asked him in the past if he liked to do certain types of promo things and he honestly answered me, not really in one case, abnd he expressed great appreciation for my consideration, and only my assumption but i felt like if he could have he may have said...wish the office understood that. I would NEVER wish that on him...he sells the cds, he fills the venues....he should have more free time IMHO, especially if the tasks asked of him were going to be minimally beneficial. He should especially not be asked to fake it for the fans....i care too much about him (and the fans) for that

It looks like he seems to enjoy the instagram thing...although i do recall him mentioning a time or too something to the effect of "the office told me to do this social media thing".....i don't want to ask him to do what he doesn't wish to.
regarding the office though...wow yeah I'd pay money for a Roy has to answer this or that question type forum big_smile

I'd pay to be a fly on the wall in the recording studio...
I do like to keep some things a mystery though smile

anyway yeah Joe answers on instagram sometimes...and replies to trolls...and it appears to be within his own comfort level.
i think a forum responsibility might become a drag...and heck, that %)(* ends up reflecting badly on some fans who deserve to not be lumped in that way...again, IMO

i would pay for fan club....but not just for ticket access, unless its guarantee IDK.....but just giving my opinion...nothing else.
i did notice that Kenny Wayne Shepherd is trying some new fan club type things and VIP access for certain shows.
I paid to be in his fan club once and was glad to do so for the chance to meet him and express my appreciation for his music and what it meant to my life....after that i did some street team work for perks. the thing i most appreciated about that is that it was very clear what was to be done, the communication was excellent and NEVER any issue. (talking about the way it was years back, i think different people help now... hmm  so not sure how reliable the system is now)

i am not trying to complain but i truly cant say most of those things about Joe's street Team..It certainly put a bad taste in my mouth to say the least (cant stand BS)..i do hope if J&R try something like that...its run well and blahblahblah.... a full time job for someone though? IDK
I can think of a few other jobs that could be done or done better with that re$ource....but i am really just along for the ride.

anyway...been thinking about all of this and I know this is not going to sound as i had thought it out.

I'm not against paid fan club but a paid forum...still so wrong given the history IMHO, or a register to read. and i seriously hope nothing i say makes this place vulnerable but i have gigantic evidence the office doesnt pay much attention to whats said in this section (simply see most of the below posts) so, I'm just talking amongst friends here as usual, and of course those who lurk...whatever. and if they have paid attention but ignored so much here...well it just verifies my concerns...and please don't tell me....its been a bit upsetting in the past, when being respectful and patient and just wanting to be helpful blahblahblah!

long live the forum and all who care to share here.

the presale is a gamble but at least its currently offered to all the fans who have the interest, no matter their income level. i appreciate that and it has worked out better than expected in most cases for me. But...i don't have unreasonable expectations.