Topic: Joe, a guitarists guitarist

As a guitar player for well over thirty years, I've seen a lot of really good players, and I've been on stage a few times myself. I know people enjoyed the music I was playing, but I'm certain no one was really impressed, especially other guitar players. Joe is one of the few players out there who could play in front of a room full of seasoned guitarist's and impress the *%#*! out of all of them. It seems that Joes talent, showmanship and all around quality of music draws a larger than avarage number of guitar players to his shows. I'll bet his shows are loaded with guitar players in awe over his ability. At times it seems like some of his riffs are designed for others guitarists who understand the how much work he's put into mastering his craft.

Just a few thoughts that have been bouncing around in my head for a while, I'd be very interested to hear what others think.

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My thoughts as a non-guitar playing fan or a guitar gear obsessed person is this....... I cannot imagine an actual guitar player who would not be completely and totally impressed and/or obsessed by his talent.  If they were not, then I might have to call their skills into question before even hearing them play.   I am just a music lover who happened to attend a Jonny Lang concert by chance last year and just became infatuated with the sound of the guitar.  So I started looking up other guitarists on You Tube.  That is how I came across the videos of Joe Bonamassa at the Royal Albert Hall.  From that moment, I became an obsessed fan and literally cannot go one day without listening to him.  Don't know if you even cared to hear from the non-guitar playing fans, but that was my two cents.

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Dana wrote:

My thoughts as a non-guitar playing fan or a guitar gear obsessed person is this....... I cannot imagine an actual guitar player who would not be completely and totally impressed and/or obsessed by his talent.  If they were not, then I might have to call their skills into question before even hearing them play.   I am just a music lover who happened to attend a Jonny Lang concert by chance last year and just became infatuated with the sound of the guitar.  So I started looking up other guitarists on You Tube.  That is how I came across the videos of Joe Bonamassa at the Royal Albert Hall.  From that moment, I became an obsessed fan and literally cannot go one day without listening to him.  Don't know if you even cared to hear from the non-guitar playing fans, but that was my two cents.

Dana, all opinions are welcomed and valued. I know the majority of an avarage concert crowd are not musicians, but it doesnt take a guitarist to see and hear Joes incredible talent. Joes note selection, tone and and super clean playing are impossible to ignore, and easy to fall in love with.

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Rusty wrote:
Dana wrote:

My thoughts as a non-guitar playing fan or a guitar gear obsessed person is this....... I cannot imagine an actual guitar player who would not be completely and totally impressed and/or obsessed by his talent.  If they were not, then I might have to call their skills into question before even hearing them play.   I am just a music lover who happened to attend a Jonny Lang concert by chance last year and just became infatuated with the sound of the guitar.  So I started looking up other guitarists on You Tube.  That is how I came across the videos of Joe Bonamassa at the Royal Albert Hall.  From that moment, I became an obsessed fan and literally cannot go one day without listening to him.  Don't know if you even cared to hear from the non-guitar playing fans, but that was my two cents.

Dana, all opinions are welcomed and valued. I know the majority of an avarage concert crowd are not musicians, but it doesnt take a guitarist to see and hear Joes incredible talent. Joes note selection, tone and and super clean playing are impossible to ignore, and easy to fall in love with.

I know a little about music- grew up in an Acapella Christian  fellowship so learned go sing all 4 parts, etc.    But, per my other post never learned to play.  Still as Dana has said, it does not take a guitar player to be able to see Joe's immense skills.   But it is still nice to hear the guitar players state their informed opinion.  That was one reason I took my son, a guitar player, to see Joe at the Ryman in April.  I wanted an "expert"to confirm what I already knew- and he did!  smile

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One of my best friends has been a professional guitarist for over 40. A studio musician that has played with many big names.  'The thing he kept talking about the first time he saw Joe, was how he attacked the guitar.  The speed and technique was obvious, he was blown away by the power and strength.

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I'm not a guitar player either but I have always been drawn to the sounds of the guitar.  I have plenty of favorites and of course, Joe is on my list but he's managed to do something that none of my other favorites have manged to get me to do - pay attention to the location of his hands and what he does to create specific tones/notes.  I recently went to my first Joe concert and instead of watching him my attention immediately went to his hands.  I left that concert appreciating him even more. 

It's funny how many of my guitar friends I have turned onto Joe.  Not a one of them had heard of him but now they are all hooked and can't get enough.  One of my friends said what sets Joe apart from a lot of other guitar players is his clear respect for the music he plays whether it's an original composition or someone else's.  Joe takes great care of the song, a true artist in every way.

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My son is a guitarist and I understand the  skill involved  in mastering any musical craft.   One of the thrills for me of attending a concert by Joe is watching his hands in relation to the guitar. His speed is awesome but the finesse  and the areas of the guitar he plays.   Most rock guitarist can shred but Joe goes way beyond that and adds that classical element he learned as a kid and wow does that just blow the walls down.  He never fails to mesmerize me.

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Dana wrote:

. I cannot imagine an actual guitar player who would not be completely and totally impressed and/or obsessed by his talent.  If they were not, then I might have to call their skills into question before even hearing them play.   .

Hey there,

I really like a lot of Joes stuff. Anyway, there might be some awesome musicians/guitar players who are just not into Joe's music/guitar playing. Doesn't devalue them and certainly doesn't devalue all of Joe's achievements. Just different tastes and preferences.

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One thing my son in law (who is a 'purty good player in his own right) says about Joe's playing: there are no "wasted" or superfluous notes....every note has meaning and adds to the song.

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My $.02:

I've played guitar off and on for 40 years. I can learn a song, I can read music, I can transcribe by ear. I can play a hard lick, I can groove a rhythm, I can fingerpick 100s of open tuning acoustic blues tunes. But I'm not a musician. It's taken me 40 year to learn that. And then in a moment of insanity I'll buy another guitar or piece of gear that will "make it different" this time. It doesn't.

My deficiency lies in my utter inability to connect my heart and soul to my hands and strings. I think Joe mentioned in the Jane Pauley interview when he was 13 that he can just talk through a guitar. At 13! I still can't do it at 54. It is not lack of effort. It's lack of ability.

It must be an amazing feeling standing in front of 1000s of people with a guitar in your hands and a 140dB wall of awesomeness behind you and be able to control that power. But that's not what makes Joe (and musicians on that level) special. What makes him special is that he can talk to the audience through a guitar. That's why so many feel compelled to talk back. We are reached and affected. That is the gift.

I enjoyed Joe's performance so much because, if I was blessed with the gift, I would want to do it just like Joe. The fact that he is doing instead of me is OK. At least someone is.

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almico wrote:

My $.02:

I've played guitar off and on for 40 years. I can learn a song, I can read music, I can transcribe by ear. I can play a hard lick, I can groove a rhythm, I can fingerpick 100s of open tuning acoustic blues tunes. But I'm not a musician. It's taken me 40 year to learn that. And then in a moment of insanity I'll buy another guitar or piece of gear that will "make it different" this time. It doesn't.

My deficiency lies in my utter inability to connect my heart and soul to my hands and strings. I think Joe mentioned in the Jane Pauley interview when he was 13 that he can just talk through a guitar. At 13! I still can't do it at 54. It is not lack of effort. It's lack of ability.

It must be an amazing feeling standing in front of 1000s of people with a guitar in your hands and a 140dB wall of awesomeness behind you and be able to control that power. But that's not what makes Joe (and musicians on that level) special. What makes him special is that he can talk to the audience through a guitar. That's why so many feel compelled to talk back. We are reached and affected. That is the gift.

I enjoyed Joe's performance so much because, if I was blessed with the gift, I would want to do it just like Joe. The fact that he is doing instead of me is OK. At least someone is.

I completely agree with your point on the connection between the soul and the strings. I've felt the same way for a long time. The ability to talk through the guitar is so crucial to solid blues playing. The "call and response" way of putting a guitar riff together is so much like talking when its done with with feeling that BB King said those very words: "I feel like I'm talking to the person". I've felt little flashes of it at times while playing, but its hard to not revert back to playing mechanically, if you know what I mean. It certainly is a gift, and Joe is one hell of a gifted player.
Rusty

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"What makes him special is that he can talk to the audience through a guitar. That's why so many feel compelled to talk back. We are reached and affected. That is the gift."


My friend almico has hit the nail on the proverbial head.  That talk from his guitar appeals to my heart and soul.  Love this idea

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I've talked about this with fellow guitarists and it's a very subjective business. As a guitarist (of very modest ability) I look up to Joe's tone and technique and admire his ability to say something meaningful every time he takes a guitar break. I'm a big fan, else I wouldn't be on this forum.

But some of my friends and associates on the local band scene have a different view. The strongest of those views renders Joe's playing predictable, in that the 2 or 3 note-per-string pentatonic runs 'always come, no matter what the song, and you can always see them coming'. He went on to say that Joe with a strat is a guitarist with a much larger vocabulary and wider range of approaches than Joe with a Les Paul. Having listened objectively, I can see a distinct difference in approach. Joe at the Borderline with a strat (a guitar with a different tonal palette that you perhaps need to work with in a different way) is testament to the breadth and depth of his talent. The approach was very different.

Don't shoot the messenger here, I'm merry conveying some thoughts. Interestingly, some of joe's strongest influences, such as Eric Clapton leave me cold in comparison to Joe. That in no way detracts from their deserved status and obvious talents, but there's no accounting for taste.

My final comment would be how much I enjoy it when Joe throws a curveball in - an unusual note choice or a technique he doesn't include that often. Listen to RAH1, asking around for you, check out the lovely arpeggio right in the closing seconds, just exquisite.

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I'm going to play a bit of Devil's Advocate here -

While I totally agree hes a guitarists' guitarist, I've always been a JB fan because I think hes a killer song writer. Sure, hes licks are other worldly, but I wouldn't care to listen if said licks were in bad tunes. I can honestly say that his lead playing is probably less than 10% of why I'm a fan - real emotion and stories in music trump chops in my opinion. I realized that pretty early on in guitar playing, none of my favorite players were ever considered in the top bracket of 'technique' - but they played the best music. I bet this is true for other guitarists too whether they realize it or not.

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Hollie's Dad wrote:

My final comment would be how much I enjoy it when Joe throws a curveball in - an unusual note choice or a technique he doesn't include that often. Listen to RAH1, asking around for you, check out the lovely arpeggio right in the closing seconds, just exquisite.

Funny you should mention that, I just watched that last night (for the tenth time) and was thinking the exact same thing.

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jackfossett wrote:

I'm going to play a bit of Devil's Advocate here -

While I totally agree hes a guitarists' guitarist, I've always been a JB fan because I think hes a killer song writer. Sure, hes licks are other worldly, but I wouldn't care to listen if said licks were in bad tunes. I can honestly say that his lead playing is probably less than 10% of why I'm a fan - real emotion and stories in music trump chops in my opinion. I realized that pretty early on in guitar playing, none of my favorite players were ever considered in the top bracket of 'technique' - but they played the best music. I bet this is true for other guitarists too whether they realize it or not.

While its true that different people are drawn to JB for different reasons, I think that is at the heart of it. Joe really is a complete package. Ability, technique, talent, song writing, showmanship, its all there.

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jackfossett wrote:

Joe really is a complete package. Ability, technique, talent, song writing, showmanship, its all there.

You forgot his respect and involvment with his fans.

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nlaplante wrote:
jackfossett wrote:

Joe really is a complete package. Ability, technique, talent, song writing, showmanship, its all there.

You forgot his respect and involvment with his fans.

Well, I didn't really forget, the list goes on and on when it comes to JB. But the point is well taken, Joe is very respectful of his fans.

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Rusty

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