Re: Carre, Amsterdam, March 2015

...i'll just insert a little funny story... well,I thought it was kinda funny!? ...I had to,for various reasons,file for Bankruptcy recently... the Official Receiver had asked for all my credit card statements which I did not have... at my last appointment I was asked... 'oh,your credit card debt ( done some checking obviously ) ...I thought you said you never go on holiday,... whats this flight to to Vienna then?' ...oh,that was a Joe gig,.. a concert I went to! ...she thumbed down the list... 'whats Eventime £480?' ...she asked! ...oh,... thats Joe tickets! LOL ...of all the many transactions she pulled me on them two!? ...do you like blues? ...I asked! ...she said... no! hmm  ...cant win 'em all!

Everyone is born a genius, but the process of living de-geniuses them.
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Re: Carre, Amsterdam, March 2015

Kind of seems like all the finest feeling levels of this Bonamassa family are getting kicked around the house here.....packing up all the wonderful memories and walking away from Joe? Leaving our friend we've rallied around thru good times and bad times? Everybody's gotta' make their own choices, but I sure hope this isn't true sad   I don't know that it's comfortable to make Joe justify his ticket prices...are other artists being asked to give a cost breakdown?  I still believe in my heart that Joe thinks the world of his fans......I don't have anywhere else I want to move on to, so I'll be standing next to Joe for the lifetime ride.....

         pattyluvsjoe

"I'm not nice to any guitar!"      lol
                 Joe Bonamassa 05-03-12

JBLP CHILD #184

57 (edited by Blues Sissi 2014-06-13 01:18:28)

Re: Carre, Amsterdam, March 2015

pattyluvsjoe wrote:

Kind of seems like all the finest feeling levels of this Bonamassa family are getting kicked around the house here.....packing up all the wonderful memories and walking away from Joe? Leaving our friend we've rallied around thru good times and bad times? Everybody's gotta' make their own choices, but I sure hope this isn't true sad   I don't know that it's comfortable to make Joe justify his ticket prices...are other artists being asked to give a cost breakdown?  I still believe in my heart that Joe thinks the world of his fans......I don't have anywhere else I want to move on to, so I'll be standing next to Joe for the lifetime ride.....

         pattyluvsjoe

Patty, you are the once in a lifetime fan smile

58 (edited by Bluemac 2014-06-13 06:33:31)

Re: Carre, Amsterdam, March 2015

nmagcorn wrote:
Bluemac wrote:
nmagcorn wrote:

This feels like deja vu. Whenever a new tour is announced this topic is brought up. Joe's response at the bottom of the page the last time this happened https://forum.jbonamassa.com/viewtopic. … 94&p=3

Hey Natasha. For the reasons stated in my first post on this thread, I never really wanted to get involved in this particular discussion, and the only reason I'm still contributing is because I find it really worrying that we have reached a point where so many of Joe's most loyal European fans are talking about possibly not going to see him play anymore.

I think everybody understands the overheads/costs that Joe referred to in the thread last year and they all know that every dollar is not going in his pocket. One of the problems, though, is that these overheads/costs apply to EVERY artist that tours in Europe, from beds and buses to taxes and tacos, and yet Joe's ticket prices are consistently way higher than other, similar acts.

Now it may be that this is the J&R business model - make the money on touring, but give back in other ways (free downloads, supporting the blues, etc, etc), which is fine. Where you have a potential problem, though, is if you push the loyalty of your fans/customers to the point where they start to desert you. Maybe we haven't reached that point yet, but there are certainly clear signs of unrest...and if it was MY business, I would be concerned about this recent development...

I pointed that thread out to you since you were repeatedly demanding an accounting of tour finances. One thing to keep in mind is that ticket prices did not rise for last Fall this Spring or next Fall from the Spring 2013 prices even though the shows on this current tour included the extra acoustic band. Twice the work and no pay raise for the crew. Maybe these new prices are finally taking into account the extra work and people involved. I guess we'll see how things pan out for the Carre shows. If it isn't widely attended, then maybe the prices will change. GMac, interesting to note, though, that Tedeschi Trucks is playing 4 nights at the Beacon and charging $144 a piece for their tickets, so....

I think there’s been a misunderstanding here – I’m not demanding anything at all and am quite happy to bow out of this discussion. Let me see if I can just summarise what has happened before I go:

-    The prices for the Carre appear to have upset a lot of Joe’s most loyal fans, some of whom are definitely not going to the concerts and some of whom are talking about possibly not going to see Joe again
-    I find this sad, and something of a concern, because I don’t want there to be any reasons for Joe to feel he is any way less welcome or popular in Europe. I want him to be really popular over here, so that he continues to come here regularly. Just trying to broker a little peace, that's all
-    The price rises generally do not have so much of an impact on GMac and myself as, like RickB, we like to combine a Joe concert with a trip to another country/city, so that we can do some touristy stuff as well. So the ticket price for the concerts is often less than the travel and accommodation, etc. and is therefore not necessarily a major factor. So we are definitely NOT amongst the disgruntled here.
-    People appear to feel that the latest price rises cannot be justified and the official response is basically that touring in Europe is expensive and having two bands is expensive. I think people understand this. The problem is that other artists are also touring Europe with two bands and still charging a lot less for tickets than Joe. I think people find this less easy to understand
-    My suggestion (not demand) was that some explanation to the fans as to why the tickets are so much more expensive than those of other artists might make people feel less unhappy than some clearly are and we might lose some of the hostility towards the prices
-    If some of your most loyal fans have become unhappy, surely talking to them about the situation and possibly allaying their fears about possible future prices, etc, is better than letting the bad feelings fester. Isn’t it??

And now I’m gone.

Even fools say something worthwhile now and again

Re: Carre, Amsterdam, March 2015

I am flying over to Florida to see Tom Petty in September so the ticket prices to me are incidental. If you are prepared to pay a lot for travel, the tickets are just part of the overall package. I won't be going to any Amsterdam show but I truly hope the 5 shows are a success for Joe.

And I will see him in the UK next year (after Clapham Common next week) smile

Re: Carre, Amsterdam, March 2015

We'll see what happens.... I bought tickets. Just not for as many nights as I intended to buy.... You know 5 shows in one week would not bore me at all!!!!
Will have to enjoy those concerts I'm attending a lil' extra I guess wink

All I can say is: planning the Carré 5(!) times with THESE kind of ticket prices is RISKY.
If Joe wants to have them sold out, and people are not coming any more or buying less tickets than they would have done otherwise, he needs more different people/newcomers to fill the place. I doubt if that's going to happen...
But I truly wish for him he has fun 5 times with a sold out Carré, even if I'm not there all 5 times.
Time will tell....

Re: Carre, Amsterdam, March 2015

Rocket wrote:

So, if you're out, put Ryan McGarvey
(or __________) in your main pipeline, then. 

Rock ON & Keep Faith Placed Anywhere Convenient, Preferably Cool & Dry,
Rocket

I assure you we are FULLY Garveydicted Rocket wink

Re: Carre, Amsterdam, March 2015

pattyluvsjoe wrote:

Kind of seems like all the finest feeling levels of this Bonamassa family are getting kicked around the house here.....packing up all the wonderful memories and walking away from Joe?

I don't think it's as bad as that Patty. George's Amsterdam get-togethers are renowned but if prices are putting off our Euro-buddies then there's no party to go and join. That makes it a quick fly in, go to the show, sleep at hotel and fly out and that's a big expense for a short trip. Especially so when I paid Euro 75 for Berlin in February for the full two-band show and the Carre seats are Euro 50 more.

So that means I'll be going to one of the UK shows instead. And, as Kenny said, the Clapham festival smile

63 (edited by Rocket 2014-06-13 05:49:58)

Re: Carre, Amsterdam, March 2015

bibi wrote:
Rocket wrote:

So, if you're out, put Ryan McGarvey
(or __________) in your main pipeline, then. 

Rock ON & Keep Faith Placed Anywhere Convenient, Preferably Cool & Dry,
Rocket

I assure you we are FULLY Garveydicted Rocket wink

I assure you I am well aware, I have been watching and following Ryan a while myself now.  I brought him into to it because you EU peeps have dibs and decent prices galore.  I don't think the "bargain" artists are taking very many losses anywhere, why would they tour there more there than here [where artist income potential risk factors are somewhere between might, probably, and definitely would be taking lo$$e$ for myriad logistical reasons/problems, or just not having the needed support due to the vast expanse of our lands, a distracting smorgasbord of instantaneous entertwinement options nationally, in every city and town, and all in the most preoccupied country (literally historically and factually) on the planet]???  Or tour at all???  I am unaware of whether promoters are taking the risk or it is all in house in this Carré run.  If outside promoters, there's your CYA insurance policy price jump they are passing onto and taking out on you all.  And if that is the case now or in the future or even from now on, do NOT expect greed to be nowhere in motives.  Not just deserved profit or the satisfaction of bringing rock solid entertainment to a fawning mini-throng, but the oldest trick in the book, can come from anywhere, and it can be called value-diminished instead of value-added to an end consumer.  Gouge 'em!  But whether that is the case or not, maybe look into the facts of situations.  And they may not be anywhere near apparent.  Which could mean talking out one's rear dispenser if not careful.

And further about Ryan, who doesn't want to see him rise up and demand more while meeting more demand?! I think that's his plan and hope. wink  So the day could come when he might be ostracized for something beyond his control other than aiming to please and be happily pleased as punch to surely be doing so and doing so with style, aplomb, and great monetary gains (furthering artistic expressions, or in lay terms, reinvesting in himself).

That's the gist as I see it. 

And I'm with Patty.  She & I and a bunch of others sure know that whenever there is any falling away in disgust, anger, boredom, or frustration with huffs, crocodile tears, or simply frowns sad, amazingly, almost by divine decree it seems sometimes, lo & behold, in comes another bunch of excited newbies totally oblivious and unconcerned about past except where the F have they been (asking themselves, mind you) all this time. big_smile

Guitars may actually grow on trees, but they still don't pay or play for themselves............

Maybe I'll have one of those empty seats...


Rock ON & Keep the Faith,
Rocket

"He still doesn't charge for mistakes! wink"
http://jbonamassa.com/tour-dates/
"Everybody wants ta get inta the act!"
“Now, this isn’t your ordinary party crowd, here.  I mean, there are professionals in here.”

Re: Carre, Amsterdam, March 2015

I personally think that people that go to multiple nights are in the minority. The alternative to playing multiple nights would be move to a larger venue. I think people would rather pay more to attend a smaller show. Now the ticket price may keep people from attending more than one show but then again if it was at a larger venue there might only be one show anyway.

Supply demand economics are always in play whether anyone admits it or not. Joe has a hot ticket. In a larger venue there are less of the best tickets to sell so those tickets have a higher value either through the ticket agency or in the secondary market. I don't know how the scalpers operate there but you may have to pay even more to have the best seats.

I think he seems to get grief with whatever decision is made. Play larger venues or smaller ones with higher prices. I don't pretend to know the business in Europe but here multiple shows are planned as possible generally. Added as demand creates the need. Release one show or two and then add as they sellout. I would assume a calculated move was made that didn't require the shows to be added as needed. They knew the demand was there. With or without fans choosing to attend multiple shows.

65 (edited by RickB 2014-06-13 10:48:04)

Re: Carre, Amsterdam, March 2015

pattyluvsjoe wrote:

Kind of seems like all the finest feeling levels of this Bonamassa family are getting kicked around the house here.....packing up all the wonderful memories and walking away from Joe? Leaving our friend we've rallied around thru good times and bad times? Everybody's gotta' make their own choices, but I sure hope this isn't true sad   I don't know that it's comfortable to make Joe justify his ticket prices...are other artists being asked to give a cost breakdown?  I still believe in my heart that Joe thinks the world of his fans......I don't have anywhere else I want to move on to, so I'll be standing next to Joe for the lifetime ride.....

         pattyluvsjoe

Shoulder to shoulder with ya Patty!
With the advance into the large festival market, Jim has a good point. I'm sure the success of his recent performances will make his ticket even hotter.

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Re: Carre, Amsterdam, March 2015

I take all of Bluemac's points on board and all of the other posts too, what it comes down to is preference, if you feel you can go see numerous bands for the price of a Joe ticket, then do so, if like me you'd rather save up and go see Joe in concert where ever, then do so,  it's simple mathematics.

As Joe has grown in popularitry and then shows and venues have become larger the total costs and overheads of a tour rise as well wih crew equipment hotels transportation hire of numerous items cost

It was always this way with bands before, i saw AC/DC at The Marquee for £3 then as the years go by, popularity etc, prices grow, Iron Maiden too look at them now, whoever you all saw as they grow in the public eye and magazine/media, the demand becomes more, for the bigger show in the larger theatre, now you could argue Joe is above the normal price range from the medium size Rock band, but he is above (way above the medium artist) LOL so i believe with his Acoustic Band/Electric Band Shows its a Value in Demand and also for the newcomer to a Joe show.
Diamonds and Cars and Nice Clothes are pricey, if you love your music and want to see your own favourite, i will rather see Joe once than numerous others 5 times, he is my musical preference (and i have seen many others, many) for music for me he has and does it all.

So use your money wisely in things you love personally, preference and choice is all your own,

I choose Joe to go travel to and fulful my money spent

.............. Michael

ps .. Patty you know i'm there plus  Rocket Jane Cathy Jim Bill S Rhonda Sandy P Maggie Natasha Phil and Rick B

Planes Trains and Automobiles wink

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3rd ...... Mountain Time / Rockpalast       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h01xa6NMsJo
2nd ...... Sloe Gin       /  Vienna            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRASS8O8ZnE           
1st ....... Blues Deluxe / The Borderline    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnl3E_KLxYg

Re: Carre, Amsterdam, March 2015

bibi wrote:
Rocket wrote:

So, if you're out, put Ryan McGarvey
(or __________) in your main pipeline, then. 

Rock ON & Keep Faith Placed Anywhere Convenient, Preferably Cool & Dry,
Rocket

I assure you we are FULLY Garveydicted Rocket wink


Yes, nothing to add … FULLY Garveydicted. And after Ryan's acoustic gig yesterday even more.
In my case … you can add Mason Rack Band and Ian Siegal to that list.

Bibi have fun in Amsterdam and fire up one or two shouts for me.
Read that the new album of Joe is with an orchestra … maybe Joe brings an orchestra to the Carre. Would fit to that wonderful venue and would stop debates about pricing.

68 (edited by Rocket 2014-06-13 18:36:52)

Re: Carre, Amsterdam, March 2015

Blues Sissi wrote:

Read that the new album of Joe is with an orchestra … maybe Joe brings an orchestra to the Carre. Would fit to that wonderful venue and would stop debates about pricing.

Buy George, Ya think???!!!! lol  Gee, what was the name of that girl who sang with him???!!!  Does he have friends who cold refuse to pop in? hmm


Rock ON & Keep the Faith & I All Ways Carré ,
Rocket

"He still doesn't charge for mistakes! wink"
http://jbonamassa.com/tour-dates/
"Everybody wants ta get inta the act!"
“Now, this isn’t your ordinary party crowd, here.  I mean, there are professionals in here.”

Re: Carre, Amsterdam, March 2015

Rocket wrote:

Guitars may actually grow on trees


Joe has to 'cop' this and put it on a shirt

Think I'll need it in my signature line

---------------

(If only I had 1% of Joe's guitar talent)

Re: Carre, Amsterdam, March 2015

DougH wrote:
Rocket wrote:

Guitars may actually grow on trees


Joe has to 'cop' this and put it on a shirt

Think I'll need it in my signature line

You're welcome to and so it also goes for Joe... I can see a guitar tree in my mind's aye! big_smile

"He still doesn't charge for mistakes! wink"
http://jbonamassa.com/tour-dates/
"Everybody wants ta get inta the act!"
“Now, this isn’t your ordinary party crowd, here.  I mean, there are professionals in here.”

71 (edited by Jesco 2014-06-17 09:11:37)

Re: Carre, Amsterdam, March 2015

Street Team Eric wrote:

This is the first time that Joe is coming to the Carre with 2 separate bands, playing two unique sets and 2 bands means more production and crew. Since there is so much more involved, the ticket prices will reflect this. But we thank you for all of the support throughout the years and hope to see you at the next show.

Same show (2 separate bands), different venue (Rockhall Luxemburg, Oct. 4th):

Price:

Golden Tickets: 85,- € + 5,- € presale fee
cat 1               : 70,- € + 5,- € presale fee
cat 2               : 60,- € + 5,- € presale fee
cat 3               : 50,- € + 5,- € presale fee

Seems like crew costs less when in Luxemburg.

72 (edited by oldgtarz 2014-06-17 12:10:24)

Re: Carre, Amsterdam, March 2015

Been looking at the Carre prices. I was going to get at least 10 tickets for myself and some friends (who went to Pinkpop and saw Joe) but when I informed them of the price everyone started laughing, asked if I was nuts and bailed out. Too bad but with these prices, I guess I've seen the last Joe show in Holland.

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